The Syndicate

S~V~S wrote: ↑Sat Oct 21, 2023 8:29 am

Thunal33 wrote: ↑Wed Oct 18, 2023 5:23 pm I’ll be gone for EoD. If Wilgy flips wolf, look at Roxy or Epi first. Nanook would be tinfoil level and not a first suspect. If Wilgy flips town, I think the game is harder than I expected and I’d look at Jack more closely. If Wilgy flips town I think our PoE is flawed.

If Nanook flips wolf I was probably wrong on Wilgy. If Nanook flips town I’d kill Wilgy unless there’s significant new evidence.

Abi, SVS, pyxxy, and Delta are town. If you need to reconstruct the PoE tomorrow then do it, but don’t include those four. Unless there’s significant new evidence I wouldn’t seriously consider them until lylo.

If I don’t survive the night, good luck town.

This is why Thunal was killed ^^^^

catching up so if you expand on this later but you're basically saying that Thunal was a fearkill? that scum Jack was so afraid of getting cased?

Epignosis wrote: ↑Sat Oct 21, 2023 12:29 am

pyxxy wrote: ↑Sat Oct 21, 2023 12:20 am

Epignosis wrote: ↑Fri Oct 20, 2023 11:51 pm [VOTE: Roxy] aubergine but looking forward to hearing from S~V~S (or anybody else).

Because if this is spot on:

Thunal33 wrote: ↑Wed Oct 18, 2023 5:23 pm
Abi, SVS, pyxxy, and Delta are town. If you need to reconstruct the PoE tomorrow then do it, but don’t include those four. Unless there’s significant new evidence I wouldn’t seriously consider them until lylo.

Then the options are Nanook, Roxy, and Jack (and if there's three mafia, you get your choice of two).

I am not an option.

I do wonder why Thunal was so certain on pyxxy, but that's on me for not asking when I could.

any nka on why Thunal died? share your thoughts and I'll share mine

Oh yes, lots. Here:

Spoiler: show

Thunal is pretty damn good.

facts

also heads up I need slank cover for tomorrow, attending a wedding pretty much all day

Epignosis wrote: ↑Fri Oct 20, 2023 11:51 pm [VOTE: Roxy] aubergine but looking forward to hearing from S~V~S (or anybody else).

Because if this is spot on:

Thunal33 wrote: ↑Wed Oct 18, 2023 5:23 pm
Abi, SVS, pyxxy, and Delta are town. If you need to reconstruct the PoE tomorrow then do it, but don’t include those four. Unless there’s significant new evidence I wouldn’t seriously consider them until lylo.

Then the options are Nanook, Roxy, and Jack (and if there's three mafia, you get your choice of two).

I am not an option.

I do wonder why Thunal was so certain on pyxxy, but that's on me for not asking when I could.

any nka on why Thunal died? share your thoughts and I'll share mine

was hoping someone else would chime in to answer Epi

Thunal's reasoning:

Thunal33 wrote: ↑Wed Oct 18, 2023 5:08 pm

Delta wrote: ↑Wed Oct 18, 2023 4:57 pm https://www.mafiauniverse.com/forums/th ... r-Remix%29

@Thunal33 this is the game I'm on about above

I wont put anyone through the wonders of my ISO but if you check Wilgy's intro there vs here there's a pretty big difference

I can definitely see the difference, but I also played a game with wolf Wilgy where he only posted emojis for the first day phase. I think his range for what intros he can make is pretty big and not always AI.

Thunal33 wrote: ↑Wed Oct 18, 2023 4:17 pm I agree with Jack. Imo, Wilgy’s flip would tell more about how valid the PoE is than Nanook’s flip. Nanook feels like the shrug elim that tells us nothing here.

not sure I have time for more

kinda miss seanzie rn

DADV means dead thread dead villy right

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Wed Oct 18, 2023 5:36 pm Roxy has not posted in 3 hours. Wilgy and Nanook (and Epi) have not posted at all today.

Idk if this eod looks any different if we’re right vs if we’re wrong. Like if I’m wrong, wolves do nothing cause we’re wrong and if I’m right, wolves do nothing cause they aren’t here.

Makes my nerves feel a little better idk

This is where I settled after chewing on Delta's town-driven vs wolf-driven thoughts.

I sus Wilgy more than Roxy so if y'all start moving in her direction I would probably vote Wilgy. Just to be transparent.

And honestly you're not wrong about nook being a shrug yeet. But I also thought voting nook would get some action going and maybe wilgy/nook would appear and solving would happen. Was quite wrong about that, I guess :/

pyxxy wrote: ↑Wed Oct 18, 2023 12:45 pm Nook is just being nook. I can't read him. He's not doing anything that I would consider attempting to leave the low poster poe. So long as he's nook, scum will leave him alive. A looming problem if we find ourselves in FX.

Especially since he hasn't shown up. I guess I'm just hoping nook votes scum at some point and then we can clear him.

Well to be fair, Wilgy just hasn’t voted at all

I think we can all agree that roxy is playing at roxy’s volition. Unfair, fair, irl, etc. roxy is still playing, her choice, I’m gonna try to focus on the play.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Wed Oct 18, 2023 2:14 pm My impression is that those who do believe in the Roxy/Wilgy/Nanook POE tend to think Nanook is the townie in that group. Possibly Roxy. People who don't believe in the POE tend to think Nanook is the only wolf in it.

I've got this vision in my mind of us compromising, yeeting Nanook, he flips town and then nobody changes their opinion regarding Roxy and Wilgy. wowee

If you got to pick today’s flip right now, it sounds like you would be between Wilgy and roxy, who would you pick?

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Wed Oct 18, 2023 2:00 pm

Roxy wrote: ↑Wed Oct 18, 2023 12:40 pm

Thunal33 wrote: ↑Wed Oct 18, 2023 11:55 am On second thought it might be a less easy game than I thought since Roxy's thoughts vibe fairly towny so I probably have to look outside the immediate PoE for one of the wolves. Sure, it makes sense for wolf Roxy to expand the PoE, but it also makes sense for town Roxy to expand the PoE since the current one leaves no room for error if she's town. She has to believe it's exactly Wilgy/Nanook.

glad you added this second thought bc the first one is you just digging your heels in and that is not townie in my eyes.

And I do not believe Wigly is a wolf. So it would have to be a double Nook and that is impossible.

@NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME

_fuck_ this is the best possible joke

I think I'm down with a Wilgy nook wagon-off

[VOTE: Nanook] aubergine

Thunal33 wrote: ↑Wed Oct 18, 2023 12:47 pm

pyxxy wrote: ↑Wed Oct 18, 2023 12:24 pm re: room for error, you mean how many chops we have left?

I meant town Roxy would have to believe in an exact solve of Wilgy/Nanook to believe the PoE is correct.

okay gotcha

she doesn't, which was my point

Roxy wrote: ↑Wed Oct 18, 2023 12:42 pm

pyxxy wrote: ↑Wed Oct 18, 2023 12:10 pm

Roxy wrote: ↑Wed Oct 18, 2023 10:43 am I need food bbl I will try not to take pain meds until I finish.

your priorities are yours to decide but uh don't skimp on pain meds my friend o7

I know you are right I just want to be here and try to play the game JPIC has created bc I adore this players list
Once I take my meds there is no telling when I'll wake up.

ah okay I didn't realize they were sleepies I thought they were just loopies

(these are terms I just made up)

Delta wrote: ↑Wed Oct 18, 2023 10:44 am

Roxy wrote: ↑Wed Oct 18, 2023 10:29 am

Thunal33 wrote: ↑Tue Oct 17, 2023 10:27 pm I feel very comfortable calling Abi, pyxxy, and Delta town. Epi and Jack are probably town but are my "hard game" tinfoils. SVS I almost feel comfortable townlocking and her being maf would take more tinfoil than Epi or Jack but I don't quite have the same confidence as with Abi, pyxxy, or Delta.

I have the same immediate PoE of Wilgy, Roxy, and Nanook.

you and Jack POE is the same but I have to ask you think all of the baddies are low posters? I am like middling but the others?
I have no sus of Wigly but Nook.....is another story

Yeah I have noticed that a few of us have near identical POEs, do you think that's more town driven or wolf driven?

If you're town, do you think there's wolves encouraging a POE of lowposters here?

I am slightly worried theres like 3-4 of us w identical POEs but also I dont know where I'm wrong if my reads are so ;_; it's odd

Strictly going by the numbers, a broad consensus poe is town-driven because there are only so many scum

The only low poster that's trying to post their way out of low posting is Roxy. Wilgy tried to joke off his low posting as towny because any scum team would just bus him instead of LC, but I don't really buy that from rereading EOD + if the low poster poe is correct, then the town-driven poe is also correct, and Wilgy's argument is like one of the few that scum Wilgy can make.

Nook is just being nook. I can't read him. He's not doing anything that I would consider attempting to leave the low poster poe. So long as he's nook, scum will leave him alive. A looming problem if we find ourselves in FX.

Really what Thunal and you are asking is, if the thread is town-driven, as it appears to be, is that a good thing or a bad thing? And I think the answer to that is, well, are your poes true poes, as the definition goes? If you think your pool contains the scum, then town consensus is a good thing here and we're gonna win. If you're actually concerned about how you formed your poe, then talk to me about that.

Thunal33 wrote: ↑Wed Oct 18, 2023 11:55 am On second thought it might be a less easy game than I thought since Roxy's thoughts vibe fairly towny so I probably have to look outside the immediate PoE for one of the wolves. Sure, it makes sense for wolf Roxy to expand the PoE, but it also makes sense for town Roxy to expand the PoE since the current one leaves no room for error if she's town. She has to believe it's exactly Wilgy/Nanook.

?

Roxy wrote: ↑Wed Oct 18, 2023 10:29 am

Thunal33 wrote: ↑Tue Oct 17, 2023 10:27 pm I feel very comfortable calling Abi, pyxxy, and Delta town. Epi and Jack are probably town but are my "hard game" tinfoils. SVS I almost feel comfortable townlocking and her being maf would take more tinfoil than Epi or Jack but I don't quite have the same confidence as with Abi, pyxxy, or Delta.

I have the same immediate PoE of Wilgy, Roxy, and Nanook.

you and Jack POE is the same but I have to ask you think all of the baddies are low posters? I am like middling but the others?
I have no sus of Wigly but Nook.....is another story

Roxy wrote: ↑Wed Oct 18, 2023 10:40 am @Epignosis - hi buddy. I know you have a sus on me and tbf I have a zero read on you mostly bc I have been wrong every time. So yah no read but I do notice you are posting slightly more than normal but that's it I got nothing from them. I neither find you town nor bad. NULL.

Roxy wrote: ↑Wed Oct 18, 2023 10:42 am @DrWilgy I read you as town it is what it is. You are playing your own way, no gimmicks but still....feels very townie.

I could see roxy opening up Epi here. You are spot on about the Wilgy resistance, but also with so many shared poes having Wilgy, it's not roxy holding out is a real trendsetter.

re: room for error, you mean how many chops we have left?

Roxy wrote: ↑Wed Oct 18, 2023 10:43 am I need food bbl I will try not to take pain meds until I finish.

your priorities are yours to decide but uh don't skimp on pain meds my friend o7

Delta wrote: ↑Tue Oct 17, 2023 6:59 pm

pyxxy wrote: ↑Tue Oct 17, 2023 6:37 pm

Delta wrote: ↑Tue Oct 17, 2023 3:03 pm If anyone's around actually just ping me because I wanna get some sort of back and forth going over just shouting to the void ;_; it's how I work best

am I too late

A little x_x though if you have any thoughts you want a second opinion on then post them & I'll get back to you tomorrow \o/

*gestures at my posts*

I'll just take (tomorrow) your digestion of what Jack just posted, I don't have anything more interesting

I guess maybe Roxy's just picking up it post-getting sussed

but my original sus on roxy was wrong since check rescinded (+ leetic flipped town)

I don't think the scum motivation makes sense to draw out a fight with leetic there and roxy tends to speak from the heart ime but I guess I haven't seen scum roxy (insert request for SVS or someone not concussed to link me a game)

oh and I'm also still scum, I figured that was implied but better to spell things out

I caught up fully before writing that to make sure I didn't miss anything

but I think Roxy's catchup shows a serious level of caring. I guess for OOG reasons if she literally just has more time to kill. but then Abigail is just continuing to lean on the post she made post-rescind. like idek what the flip changed in her world view. jack still scum, roxy still scum, willing to die to defend Wilgy (that post is 99% likely a joke and I think I'm just too mindfucked to laugh)

so like. someone slap me

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Tue Oct 17, 2023 6:36 pm

pyxxy wrote: ↑Tue Oct 17, 2023 6:25 pm

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Mon Oct 16, 2023 9:14 pm Please save me.

The Astros are down 2 games and I've had Gwen Stefani stuck in my head for the past 48 hours

are you actually asking us to feel bad for the astros

legally speaking I need advice

how long do I have to put my tinfoil aside

mostly because it's making solving outside that impossible for me because I keep looking for associations so really I'm asking for like a hypnosis snap in post form

Delta wrote: ↑Tue Oct 17, 2023 3:03 pm If anyone's around actually just ping me because I wanna get some sort of back and forth going over just shouting to the void ;_; it's how I work best

am I too late

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Mon Oct 16, 2023 9:14 pm Please save me.

The Astros are down 2 games and I've had Gwen Stefani stuck in my head for the past 48 hours

are you actually asking us to feel bad for the astros

what

if LC is scum and wants to die why am I not just OMGUS voting him and riding the fucking bus to FX

☆Princess Abigail☆ wrote: ↑Mon Oct 16, 2023 7:24 pm You literally held a vote on me over a tinfoil

How is that helping your case lol

right

but actually most of your posts right now are about setting up Jack

and zero analysis at all about why Jack and I are paired

but I'm the wolf and Jack just looks bad, because sure, that makes sense

yeah see and immediately you're already working to break down why Jack's EOD voting makes no sense

but what about my EOD lmao

☆Princess Abigail☆ wrote: ↑Mon Oct 16, 2023 7:15 pm PoE after my flip should be Pyxxy who's only after me cause I called him a wolf after my rescind for reasons both me and Leetic have talked about

Roxy which I've also talked about

Epi is the only possible busser

Jack cause weird EoD self pres shenanigans don't make sense

If that doesn't win than Nook and Wilgz has last wolf



Thunal Delta SVS are always town. I honestly just don't see Nook or Wilgz as wolf here.

you called me mid

you're calling me a wolf now after I tinfoiled you yesterday, but today you actually feel threatened because Jack not self-preserving onto LC looks terrible for your supposed solve

Are you actually trying to take credit for chopping LC?

hmmm I know you and we all watched you and leetic, there's no way that's it

I'm like the dog that caught the car now

pyxxy wrote: ↑Sat Oct 14, 2023 2:23 pm

leetic wrote: ↑Fri Oct 13, 2023 11:06 pm

pyxxy wrote: ↑Fri Oct 13, 2023 11:04 pm

leetic wrote: ↑Fri Oct 13, 2023 6:32 pm But again, we probably shouldn't be talking about whether Scotty was scummy, the best thing about the vigkill was that it freed town from having to go over this discussion

Agreed on this. Kinda impressed by Seanzie choosing to shoot.

leetic wrote: ↑Fri Oct 13, 2023 6:38 pm

leetic wrote: ↑Fri Oct 13, 2023 6:20 pm Long Con and Jack did try to make pyxxy happen. Given that LP/Scotty was t/t and thus a comfortable EoD for wolves I am willing to give town points to both for trying to start an alternative, which would have been unnecessary for wolves.

Besides that, we have Epi and Roxy on vanity wagons. The former didn't show for EoD, so there's little to be gleaned there. Roxy voted at almost the last minute, which does seem a little unnecessary as scum but I'm still not entirely sure what to make of it

Oh, and @pyxxy was on Wilgy (I'm too used to the polls being preserved as a screenshot, hence why I missed it). That does seem by far the strangest of the vanity wagons today, and pyxxy should definitely explain why they avoided the wagons. They were here 38 minutes before EoD, enough to know that it would definitely be a vanity wagon

Yeah sorry about that, I looked away and got lost in work. If I had been around I would have suggested a Wilgy wagon. I think he slanked through D1. I was hoping to see something more. The low posting reminded me of his scum play in Apathy Mafia: viewtopic.php?p=1049145#p1049145

Difference that I see is that past scum Wilgy was down to toss teammate Porscha right in front of the bus. Here, we now know there wasn't real pressure on any wolves? Probably? Tell me if there was a real alternative to LP and Scotty that I missed. But no Wilgy popping in feels very much like "gj scummates, see y'all tomorrow /s".

see y'all around I'm eating sushi

You know, it's really weird how you are seemingly ignorant of the elephant in the room here

actually now that I'm catching up, I think it's really funny that I posted and dipped right as she claimed a red on you, but I can understand how we might have different perspectives on that

but uh

lemme finish catching up

found it and like

it's not even hidden in a wall post or anything

I literally said already that I posted and logged off

???

[VOTE: Abigail] aubergine sorry for your rand lol

Delta wrote: ↑Mon Oct 16, 2023 6:47 pm

pyxxy wrote: ↑Mon Oct 16, 2023 6:33 pm hot damn

we're so back

we're so back pyxxy

we are SO back*

*and it's not the weekend

Long Con wrote: ↑Sun Oct 15, 2023 5:59 pm Phone check-in. Not caught up but voting SVS to self-pres.

Long Con wrote: ↑Sun Oct 15, 2023 5:59 pm Guys I am town RB

this just reads like "missed the deadline" / no one pinged in scum chat "come save yourself"

wagons were very split

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Sun Oct 15, 2023 5:31 pm I’m gonna get misyeeted while we have like 6 solo votes

which obv also looks pretty good for Jack

I can feel the tinfoil coming back. Abi and wilgy just stacked and dipped. it's all coming together

Long Con wrote: ↑Sun Oct 15, 2023 3:14 pm Been kind of busy today, and that's not going to get much better. I need to get my vote off leetic, and I'm going to [VOTE: pyxxy] aubergine because they haven't gotten any better in my eyes, slightly worse from their avoidance of the red check gambit. I could vote for Roxy, but some of her reaction just don't fit what I think scum Roxy would play like. Epi put on the blinders and attacked Roxy's content, but maybe the player generating the content is as important as the content itself.

Jack is really turning on the charm here and looking townier than he has all game. Nanook is laying very low and I'm fine with giving him the heave-ho if it comes down to it.

Could Abi be scum? Is that gambit too risky for scum? It might be... I think other players are more familiar with this risky maneuver, such a Abi themselves. What happens when scum try that move?

Not really close to calling leetic scum right now. Or Delta, I don't think Delta's red-check-reaction was all that comparable to pyxxy's, despite the two being regarded similarly.

I'll try to get a few minutes to quick catchup and post before the deadline.

idk what LC was doing with this vote

unless I'm just being a doofus about my perceived place in the game at that time

could be given I had to catch up late

hot damn

we're so back

Delta wrote: ↑Sun Oct 15, 2023 5:41 pm

leetic wrote: ↑Sun Oct 15, 2023 5:40 pm

pyxxy wrote: ↑Sun Oct 15, 2023 5:37 pm I’m hiding from my partner in the furniture store

onmobile so rekid me what did abi say about LC?

I don't think she mentioned LC, at least not in her initial rescind post. I can see Abby/LC being partners in that tinfoil world, but in that world Thunal and Delta would also have to be reconsidered

When Abi rescinded, she only mentioned LC in an add-on post & then voted once I brought it up. That's about it for their interactions

ty both (saw u leetic)

my tinfoil is fitting nicely it seems

I’m hiding from my partner in the furniture store

onmobile so rekid me what did abi say about LC?

hm but i did like thunal’s posts

actually [VOTE: Abigail] aubergine it's where my head is at after all

okay bye

[VOTE: Unvote] aubergine so I don't forget and I've got a timer to come back

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Sun Oct 15, 2023 5:25 pm

pyxxy wrote: ↑Sun Oct 15, 2023 5:24 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Sun Oct 15, 2023 5:20 pm

pyxxy wrote: ↑Sun Oct 15, 2023 5:18 pm I skimmed the rest instead of replying in order to catch up

@Jackofhearts2005 you're tring Abi. Am I tinfoiling that Abigail is scum that faked a check, like am I completely off base because if yes I gotta go drive to the office and rethink things in the car

I think so, yes. Like there’s no reason for scum Abby to do that plus I tr Dizzy and Abby independent of the peek.

I guess I was already tinfoiling dizzy D1 and the "I just wanna make D2" comment and then during the fake check people were quick to go "oh sure that explains why Dizzy was so cagey before subbing out"

but idk man. how can there just be no cop here. is that the world's dumbest slip or something? but no mech comes to mind that would say "there's no cop in this setup" unless scum got more info than us

Abby can think there’s no cop in the setup but like whatever. Maybe. Maybe not.

I don’t think a cop that does exist CCs there.

yeah I agreed that no cop CCs there with so much time. but if you know that, then *gestures conspiratorially*

okay I gtg for a bit ty for talking with me.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Sun Oct 15, 2023 5:22 pm

pyxxy wrote: ↑Sun Oct 15, 2023 5:21 pm after reading up it's clear I'm alone on this one so lemme stress test it and either stick or move

I think abi is setting up Jack and idk why Jack is so chill about it

If I’m being set up, I’m being set up by SVS just as much as by Abby and I don’t have those reasons to townread the SVS slot.

Voters: ☆Princess Abigail☆, S~V~S, DrWilgy

I mean

I've liked SVS's solving but I did eye the Roxy case when catching up

and Wilgy's always down to be weird. back in the Neon days, Abi and you and idr who triple stacked on Dennis that one time. I'm not feeling that ridiculous

abi drops two options, you and Roxy, and hedges me. re: D1, thread seems to be decently driven by votes, not arguments, in the game.

I just very much do not like this

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Sun Oct 15, 2023 5:20 pm

pyxxy wrote: ↑Sun Oct 15, 2023 5:18 pm I skimmed the rest instead of replying in order to catch up

@Jackofhearts2005 you're tring Abi. Am I tinfoiling that Abigail is scum that faked a check, like am I completely off base because if yes I gotta go drive to the office and rethink things in the car

I think so, yes. Like there’s no reason for scum Abby to do that plus I tr Dizzy and Abby independent of the peek.

I guess I was already tinfoiling dizzy D1 and the "I just wanna make D2" comment and then during the fake check people were quick to go "oh sure that explains why Dizzy was so cagey before subbing out"

but idk man. how can there just be no cop here. is that the world's dumbest slip or something? but no mech comes to mind that would say "there's no cop in this setup" unless scum got more info than us

after reading up it's clear I'm alone on this one so lemme stress test it and either stick or move

I think abi is setting up Jack and idk why Jack is so chill about it

I skimmed the rest instead of replying in order to catch up

@Jackofhearts2005 you're tring Abi. Am I tinfoiling that Abigail is scum that faked a check, like am I completely off base because if yes I gotta go drive to the office and rethink things in the car