The Syndicate

Soooo...... Who was the scumteam, other than Ender? Lol

S~V~S wrote: ↑Mon Oct 30, 2023 5:51 pm All cool, I think with the legacy set up those of us with info roles kind of needed to die to advance town. I lucked out since Cape left that Marmor.or.LC legacy lol, but that would only go so far.

I realized that but I was pretty sure if I advocated for killing people who were PRs during the day, someone would try to kill me too lol. I knew Abbi and Boq were PRs from Wilgy's check (I assume he had to find X number of vanilla players to win) and Robyn was vanilla.

Btw if you really wanna know why I thought 3ps could win with town, it's because my rolecard didn't explicitly say otherwise, but after Long Con told me to read it I looked at it again and it said I'd win with other landlords, and then read the OP and realized the landlords were town, renters were scum, and government agents were 3p (yes, I know the rest of you knew this already, I was slow lol).

But yeah, 3ps leaving the game as soon as they win makes sense, and in that aspect I was right that we could win with them. But Long Con was right that we couldn't endgame with them (I think).

S~V~S wrote: ↑Mon Oct 30, 2023 5:36 pm

Long Con wrote: ↑Mon Oct 30, 2023 5:32 pmWhaaaa

Well, even if I didn't get to win, I am so pleased you and WWA did! I knew i had to info drop in my legacy, but I felt horrible for outing you both as town. So it's gratifying that you both made it to end game

Yeah, sorry for not catching that you were softing a redcheck really hard I was not at all prepared for that

Long Con wrote: ↑Mon Oct 30, 2023 4:00 pm 9 hours later....

Zzzzzz

Long Con wrote: ↑Mon Oct 30, 2023 11:22 am After playing this game, I want to play another just like it, as a Wolf. I feel like the Legacies weren't taken advantage of by the Wolves as much as they could have been. (Unless you and SVS blah blah blah) Just faking being an alignment checker and leaving a Legacy that town confirms your teammates and dooms some good townfolk, would be thrilling!

Yeah, I think it's because the wolves were all just nonexistent except for Ender? At least Ender had a legacy with a nice poem and some fake spew. That's what I would've expected to see but instead both town and scum just... didn't really make use of it.

And yes I understood why you had paranoia about svs being a wolf with me but I wouldn't have bussed her in such an apathetic way, lol. Especially not when bussing was completely unnecessary (flipless), since I'd get very little towncred off bussing a scummy sounding partner and absolutely zero credit at all for hopping on a wagon that flipped a parity cop legacy.

Long Con wrote: ↑Mon Oct 30, 2023 11:09 am Me too!! Ok, so what happened with Nanook then?

I think he was a 3p who had a wincon to shift the elimination onto someone who wasn't the top wagon, twice, and then he would exit the game with an automatic win.

I had considered this earlier when Robyn pointed out that Nook and Ender were never partnered, but then I concluded it would be way too powerful for a 3p to control all the votes in the endgame because they could just prevent themselves from dying and never lose in the endgame unless scum tried to kill them at night, which wasn't going to happen because we were always voting Ender before Nook.

But yeah, it didn't occur to me that 3ps would just win and exit the game automatically to prevent the game from being a true multiball where town couldn't win with 3ps. I did suspect there was a way they could win with town because of that, but hadn't figured out the logic behind it until Nook literally left, lol.

I'm just killing time because I'm impatient lol

I think wolves must've been marmot/JOH/Ender
Not like I thought very hard about JOH and pyxxy because they barely said anything

Long Con wrote: ↑Mon Oct 30, 2023 9:09 am If you are Wolf with SVS then you deserve it.

Likewise for you, but you were so devoid of TMI this game that I fully believe svs's results.
Man, though, that sucks that most of the wolf team must've been totally afk. I feel bad for Ender.

Time to end this. Gg everyone, we made it!

[VOTE: Game over] aubergine

The only quicker day I've seen was in a game where hammer was 20 minutes into the day lol.

Nice poem, Ender!

I guess Ender killed Robyn to help speed up the game, thanks mate.
Since there was no way Long Con was going to let anyone other than himself survive, assuming I died at night.

Either the janitor is Ender's ability, or it's just a factional janitor that can activate nonconsecutively.

... None of this matters, I just don't really have anything useful to say since I already locked in my vote.

Now I just gotta wait for Long Con to end this. Do we have to go through the whole night phase before voting for game over?

Wonder what Porscha and Robyn put in their legacies, if anything.

Robyn was a VT, I'm quite sure of that, so everything they did that was town-indicative was in the thread. I knew that for a while but didn't want to say it in case there was ever a chance it would determine the factional kill choice. It wouldn't have made much of a difference at this point, but anyway, there wouldn't have been any extra mechanical evidence in their legacy.

Heh
So Nook WAS a 3p
I thought if he had vote manip in the endgame still as a 3p we were guaranteed to lose. Good that he's gone, lol.

Didn't expect the Robyn kill, but I don't think it changed the outcome of the game at all. Maybe just sped it up so that Long Con doesn't keep wondering about them.

Now it's just two townclears and Ender, so, it's gonna be game over soon.

[VOTE: EnderWiggin] aubergine

Sorry it turned out like this for you.

Last post for this phase (I have 3 more but I'm gonna play it safe and not say anything more):
I did write something in my legacy just to see if there's still a janitor or not. Kinda guessing they must've died or else weren't able to use it more, but anyway. If I flip with no legacy and torn scraps or something flavorwise, then you'll know I got wiped. There should at least be some text. :P

Good luck, let's win this!

And please don't get yourself modkilled by claiming or hinting at roles etc. for the rest of the game. It ain't gonna be pretty.

EnderWiggin wrote: ↑Sun Oct 29, 2023 6:58 pm

WindwardAway wrote: ↑Sun Oct 29, 2023 6:57 pm

EnderWiggin wrote: ↑Sun Oct 29, 2023 6:50 pm

WindwardAway wrote: ↑Sun Oct 29, 2023 6:48 pm

WindwardAway wrote: ↑Sun Oct 29, 2023 6:47 pm

EnderWiggin wrote: ↑Sun Oct 29, 2023 6:44 pm

WindwardAway wrote: ↑Sun Oct 29, 2023 3:13 pm Did ender push anyone at all yesterday cause I don't remember it
I only remember him telling boquise he thought he knew what happened but that it was the wrong conclusion
Meaning he already assumed Boq was town
And that ender did take an action

I figured it was best if I go over. My vote on Wilgy was symbolic of supporting Nook because I heavily townread him.

I actually wanted to go over because if there was wolves it'd help you guys find them where if I stuck around I was dead weight and likely a good vote target.

Yeah but who do you even think is a wolf at this point? Bereft is dead, are you just assuming the game should be over?

Er, let me rephrase that: do you believe there are any wolves left? Who was the wolf team?

Actually this does bring up the point.

I hadn't thought about possibly not having any wolves left.

It's not impossible that either Wilgy was a lying wolf or one of Abi/Bereft.

Bereft no legacy.

Huh.

Yeah
I was wondering earlier in the thread why Bereft hadn't written something, I kind of figured he would've.
I'm not exactly surprised by Abbi taking him out, I'm just surprised Bereft didn't write anything.
And it's one of the loopholes where you'd actually be town. But if that's the case, after we vote you out tomorrow, we can safely vote to end the game and it would only delay the endgame by a day.

I can't say I will enjoy the experience.

But yeah I'd be okay with that.

I wouldn't expect you to enjoy being hammered out of the game as any alignment, lol
But at least, IF you're town, it shouldn't be gamelosing. We're on track for a town win barring like maybe some bizarre edge case.

EnderWiggin wrote: ↑Sun Oct 29, 2023 6:50 pm

WindwardAway wrote: ↑Sun Oct 29, 2023 6:48 pm

WindwardAway wrote: ↑Sun Oct 29, 2023 6:47 pm

EnderWiggin wrote: ↑Sun Oct 29, 2023 6:44 pm

WindwardAway wrote: ↑Sun Oct 29, 2023 3:13 pm Did ender push anyone at all yesterday cause I don't remember it
I only remember him telling boquise he thought he knew what happened but that it was the wrong conclusion
Meaning he already assumed Boq was town
And that ender did take an action

I figured it was best if I go over. My vote on Wilgy was symbolic of supporting Nook because I heavily townread him.

I actually wanted to go over because if there was wolves it'd help you guys find them where if I stuck around I was dead weight and likely a good vote target.

Yeah but who do you even think is a wolf at this point? Bereft is dead, are you just assuming the game should be over?

Er, let me rephrase that: do you believe there are any wolves left? Who was the wolf team?

Actually this does bring up the point.

I hadn't thought about possibly not having any wolves left.

It's not impossible that either Wilgy was a lying wolf or one of Abi/Bereft.

Bereft no legacy.

Huh.

Yeah
I was wondering earlier in the thread why Bereft hadn't written something, I kind of figured he would've.
I'm not exactly surprised by Abbi taking him out, I'm just surprised Bereft didn't write anything.
And it's one of the loopholes where you'd actually be town. But if that's the case, after we vote you out tomorrow, we can safely vote to end the game and it would only delay the endgame by a day.

EnderWiggin wrote: ↑Sun Oct 29, 2023 6:48 pm

WindwardAway wrote: ↑Sun Oct 29, 2023 6:47 pm

EnderWiggin wrote: ↑Sun Oct 29, 2023 6:44 pm

WindwardAway wrote: ↑Sun Oct 29, 2023 3:13 pm Did ender push anyone at all yesterday cause I don't remember it
I only remember him telling boquise he thought he knew what happened but that it was the wrong conclusion
Meaning he already assumed Boq was town
And that ender did take an action

I figured it was best if I go over. My vote on Wilgy was symbolic of supporting Nook because I heavily townread him.

I actually wanted to go over because if there was wolves it'd help you guys find them where if I stuck around I was dead weight and likely a good vote target.

Yeah but who do you even think is a wolf at this point? Bereft is dead, are you just assuming the game should be over?

It's obvious at this point that I have townread a wolf yes. I have only just started thinking about this game for the first time in like 24ish hours so you'll have to forgive me for not having thoughts on a platter.

All right, no worries (that answers the next question already).

WindwardAway wrote: ↑Sun Oct 29, 2023 6:47 pm

EnderWiggin wrote: ↑Sun Oct 29, 2023 6:44 pm

WindwardAway wrote: ↑Sun Oct 29, 2023 3:13 pm Did ender push anyone at all yesterday cause I don't remember it
I only remember him telling boquise he thought he knew what happened but that it was the wrong conclusion
Meaning he already assumed Boq was town
And that ender did take an action

I figured it was best if I go over. My vote on Wilgy was symbolic of supporting Nook because I heavily townread him.

I actually wanted to go over because if there was wolves it'd help you guys find them where if I stuck around I was dead weight and likely a good vote target.

Yeah but who do you even think is a wolf at this point? Bereft is dead, are you just assuming the game should be over?

Er, let me rephrase that: do you believe there are any wolves left? Who was the wolf team?

EnderWiggin wrote: ↑Sun Oct 29, 2023 6:44 pm

WindwardAway wrote: ↑Sun Oct 29, 2023 3:13 pm Did ender push anyone at all yesterday cause I don't remember it
I only remember him telling boquise he thought he knew what happened but that it was the wrong conclusion
Meaning he already assumed Boq was town
And that ender did take an action

I figured it was best if I go over. My vote on Wilgy was symbolic of supporting Nook because I heavily townread him.

I actually wanted to go over because if there was wolves it'd help you guys find them where if I stuck around I was dead weight and likely a good vote target.

Yeah but who do you even think is a wolf at this point? Bereft is dead, are you just assuming the game should be over?

Too bad we can't vote to skip night phase
I'm impatient

I'm back to thinking if we had any other 3ps like Wilgy, they died via slank kill
And also that Wilgy probably also did not read correctly and realize he couldn't win with town
Or maybe he meant he was townsiding to blend in with town, idk
I think I know what his wincon was (roughly) and what his action did but it's still irrelevant to us

Anyway, all good

I think I actually misunderstood something in the OP lol

Long Con wrote: ↑Sun Oct 29, 2023 3:25 pm

WindwardAway wrote: ↑Sun Oct 29, 2023 3:23 pm

Long Con wrote: ↑Sun Oct 29, 2023 3:22 pm

WindwardAway wrote: ↑Sun Oct 29, 2023 3:20 pm

Long Con wrote: ↑Sun Oct 29, 2023 3:19 pm

WindwardAway wrote: ↑Sun Oct 29, 2023 3:18 pm

Long Con wrote: ↑Sun Oct 29, 2023 3:15 pm

No.

Yeah but let's say I die tonight for example. You go into tomorrow with you/ender/robyn/nook and vote ender out.

You go into night with you/robyn/nook. Nobody dies.

You do need to end the game. You don't vote Robyn or nook.

If there's a kill on you and it's just robyn/nook then the game is definitely over anyway.

Either of them could be an Independent who does not kill.

You know a non-killing 3p can just win with town, right?

You sure about that? Read your role card.

Why don't you read yours

Um, I did, several days ago, it was very informative, and it damn well lays out that I will lose if an Independent is alive at endgame.

So that's not happening.

Can you please not toe the line on what we are allowed to talk about or not
I'm not being cagey, I am playing the game by the rules
So shut up about rolecards

Long Con wrote: ↑Sun Oct 29, 2023 3:24 pm

WindwardAway wrote: ↑Sun Oct 29, 2023 3:21 pm I'd believe nook was a 3p over Robyn but I don't think either of them need to die

Also there's like no way long con gets killed tonight with that attitude, lol

LOL, attitude?? I don't understand. This is the surest way to win, how is this even up for debate? We can pull the trigger with unknowns on the board, or we can wait until they are off. There is only one intelligent option.

I feel like there's something you're not understanding about the game mechanics but whatever
This isn't worth my time, I'm leaving
At any rate i believe the game should be locked now in a town win so nothing I say matters

Long Con wrote: ↑Sun Oct 29, 2023 3:22 pm

WindwardAway wrote: ↑Sun Oct 29, 2023 3:20 pm

Long Con wrote: ↑Sun Oct 29, 2023 3:19 pm

WindwardAway wrote: ↑Sun Oct 29, 2023 3:18 pm

Long Con wrote: ↑Sun Oct 29, 2023 3:15 pm

robyn wrote: ↑Sun Oct 29, 2023 3:14 pm

Long Con wrote: ↑Sun Oct 29, 2023 3:09 pm

To me, the plan from this point on looks the same, no matter what happens or has happened.

on the contrary, if nook scum then tomorrow is an auto win for ender/nook, but because ender is outed that makes it so if nook does vote ender tomorrow he’s mech town

and ender is outed because he ghosted the thread

so the plan is just kill ender and end the game, gg ezpz

No.

Yeah but let's say I die tonight for example. You go into tomorrow with you/ender/robyn/nook and vote ender out.

You go into night with you/robyn/nook. Nobody dies.

You do need to end the game. You don't vote Robyn or nook.

If there's a kill on you and it's just robyn/nook then the game is definitely over anyway.

Either of them could be an Independent who does not kill.

You know a non-killing 3p can just win with town, right?

You sure about that? Read your role card.

Why don't you read yours

I'll stop wasting my posts, I don't have anything else to add before SoD

I'd believe nook was a 3p over Robyn but I don't think either of them need to die

Also there's like no way long con gets killed tonight with that attitude, lol

I bet it was just Wilgy, or possibly one of the people who got slank killed, but no more

Long Con wrote: ↑Sun Oct 29, 2023 3:19 pm

WindwardAway wrote: ↑Sun Oct 29, 2023 3:18 pm

Long Con wrote: ↑Sun Oct 29, 2023 3:15 pm

robyn wrote: ↑Sun Oct 29, 2023 3:14 pm

Long Con wrote: ↑Sun Oct 29, 2023 3:09 pm

WindwardAway wrote: ↑Sun Oct 29, 2023 3:07 pm

Long Con wrote: ↑Sun Oct 29, 2023 3:05 pm

That's a likely explanation. Maybe the wolves were all dead already and we'll find out after we yeet Ender.

I hope Nanook is down with that plan, if he holds massive voting power!

Yeah, if wolves holstered or if there was a protective who saved the kill target, then it would make things different but I believe the only way Boq could be certain enough to push is if he had blocked Ender. Or also if there were no wolves left but there's probably one. If it's not Ender, I'd reconsider Nook, but it's not both, Robyn is right.

To me, the plan from this point on looks the same, no matter what happens or has happened.

on the contrary, if nook scum then tomorrow is an auto win for ender/nook, but because ender is outed that makes it so if nook does vote ender tomorrow he’s mech town

and ender is outed because he ghosted the thread

so the plan is just kill ender and end the game, gg ezpz

No.

Yeah but let's say I die tonight for example. You go into tomorrow with you/ender/robyn/nook and vote ender out.

You go into night with you/robyn/nook. Nobody dies.

You do need to end the game. You don't vote Robyn or nook.

If there's a kill on you and it's just robyn/nook then the game is definitely over anyway.

Either of them could be an Independent who does not kill.

You know a non-killing 3p can just win with town, right?

...im not even gonna get involved in this, never mind.

Long Con wrote: ↑Sun Oct 29, 2023 3:15 pm

robyn wrote: ↑Sun Oct 29, 2023 3:14 pm

Long Con wrote: ↑Sun Oct 29, 2023 3:09 pm

WindwardAway wrote: ↑Sun Oct 29, 2023 3:07 pm

Long Con wrote: ↑Sun Oct 29, 2023 3:05 pm

WindwardAway wrote: ↑Sun Oct 29, 2023 3:03 pm

Long Con wrote: ↑Sun Oct 29, 2023 3:01 pm But there was no nightkill

You know there are other ways to prevent a kill than just wolves not choosing to kill, right?
Boq was probably a roleblocker
(I assume we can speculate on this)

That's a likely explanation. Maybe the wolves were all dead already and we'll find out after we yeet Ender.

I hope Nanook is down with that plan, if he holds massive voting power!

Yeah, if wolves holstered or if there was a protective who saved the kill target, then it would make things different but I believe the only way Boq could be certain enough to push is if he had blocked Ender. Or also if there were no wolves left but there's probably one. If it's not Ender, I'd reconsider Nook, but it's not both, Robyn is right.

To me, the plan from this point on looks the same, no matter what happens or has happened.

on the contrary, if nook scum then tomorrow is an auto win for ender/nook, but because ender is outed that makes it so if nook does vote ender tomorrow he’s mech town

and ender is outed because he ghosted the thread

so the plan is just kill ender and end the game, gg ezpz

No.

Yeah but let's say I die tonight for example. You go into tomorrow with you/ender/robyn/nook and vote ender out.

You go into night with you/robyn/nook. Nobody dies.

You do need to end the game. You don't vote Robyn or nook.

If there's a kill on you and it's just robyn/nook then the game is definitely over anyway.

robyn wrote: ↑Sun Oct 29, 2023 3:15 pm

WindwardAway wrote: ↑Sun Oct 29, 2023 3:13 pm Did ender push anyone at all yesterday cause I don't remember it
I only remember him telling boquise he thought he knew what happened but that it was the wrong conclusion
Meaning he already assumed Boq was town
And that ender did take an action

ender pushed bereft, aka locktown bereft, aka abbie threw hard

I forgot about that
Ok yeah

robyn wrote: ↑Sun Oct 29, 2023 3:14 pm

Long Con wrote: ↑Sun Oct 29, 2023 3:09 pm

WindwardAway wrote: ↑Sun Oct 29, 2023 3:07 pm

Long Con wrote: ↑Sun Oct 29, 2023 3:05 pm

WindwardAway wrote: ↑Sun Oct 29, 2023 3:03 pm

Long Con wrote: ↑Sun Oct 29, 2023 3:01 pm But there was no nightkill

You know there are other ways to prevent a kill than just wolves not choosing to kill, right?
Boq was probably a roleblocker
(I assume we can speculate on this)

That's a likely explanation. Maybe the wolves were all dead already and we'll find out after we yeet Ender.

I hope Nanook is down with that plan, if he holds massive voting power!

Yeah, if wolves holstered or if there was a protective who saved the kill target, then it would make things different but I believe the only way Boq could be certain enough to push is if he had blocked Ender. Or also if there were no wolves left but there's probably one. If it's not Ender, I'd reconsider Nook, but it's not both, Robyn is right.

To me, the plan from this point on looks the same, no matter what happens or has happened.

on the contrary, if nook scum then tomorrow is an auto win for ender/nook, but because ender is outed that makes it so if nook does vote ender tomorrow he’s mech town

and ender is outed because he ghosted the thread

so the plan is just kill ender and end the game, gg ezpz

Oh yeah he did totally dip lol
I assumed weekends and time zones and stuff but I have like no sense of time and you're right, he vanished after giving up on trying to wriggle free of the elim
And he hasn't come back, right? Maybe he assumed he had gone over, which would also be another point in Nook's favor for being unteamed

Long Con wrote: ↑Sun Oct 29, 2023 3:13 pm Do we know how the host resolves tied votes?

I wondered that earlier for a while, but then I decided it wasn't important because of the ghost votes

Did ender push anyone at all yesterday cause I don't remember it
I only remember him telling boquise he thought he knew what happened but that it was the wrong conclusion
Meaning he already assumed Boq was town
And that ender did take an action

WindwardAway wrote: ↑Sun Oct 29, 2023 3:10 pm It's kind of unfortunate I got cleared by svs's flip, I think pretty much any other slot would've been a more useful check
Oh well

On the bright side, I guess it forced ender to stop pushing me
But I don't think enough of you guys actually thought I was scum to vote me out in the first place. I was in a decent position to exist in peace and not get killed.

It's kind of unfortunate I got cleared by svs's flip, I think pretty much any other slot would've been a more useful check
Oh well

Long Con wrote: ↑Sun Oct 29, 2023 3:05 pm

WindwardAway wrote: ↑Sun Oct 29, 2023 3:03 pm

Long Con wrote: ↑Sun Oct 29, 2023 3:01 pm But there was no nightkill

You know there are other ways to prevent a kill than just wolves not choosing to kill, right?
Boq was probably a roleblocker
(I assume we can speculate on this)

That's a likely explanation. Maybe the wolves were all dead already and we'll find out after we yeet Ender.

I hope Nanook is down with that plan, if he holds massive voting power!

Yeah, if wolves holstered or if there was a protective who saved the kill target, then it would make things different but I believe the only way Boq could be certain enough to push is if he had blocked Ender. Or also if there were no wolves left but there's probably one. If it's not Ender, I'd reconsider Nook, but it's not both, Robyn is right.

Yeah then you're right, they're not paired

robyn wrote: ↑Sun Oct 29, 2023 3:03 pm

WindwardAway wrote: ↑Sun Oct 29, 2023 3:01 pm

Long Con wrote: ↑Sun Oct 29, 2023 3:00 pm And Nook controls the extra votes?

No idea about that
I thought we thought it was ender yesterday

i literally figured out that it was nook in thread and nook not saying if he thought it was ender or not was literally outing for him because he was carefully avoiding not confirming any mech inoffensive

Ohhhh
Ok, now I see what you mean.

Long Con wrote: ↑Sun Oct 29, 2023 3:01 pm But there was no nightkill

You know there are other ways to prevent a kill than just wolves not choosing to kill, right?
Boq was probably a roleblocker
(I assume we can speculate on this)

robyn wrote: ↑Sun Oct 29, 2023 3:00 pm boq was something which confirmed that ender carried the nk and not me, and he was testing who everyone thought was last to see who was wolfsiding and who wasn’t

Correct
Not confirmed, though, but like almost confirmed
But I believe he got his answer anyway in the reaction test he did

Long Con wrote: ↑Sun Oct 29, 2023 3:00 pm And Nook controls the extra votes?

No idea about that
I thought we thought it was ender yesterday

I have a suspicion of what it was, and I also think I know how it could've been wrong, but it's all kinda pointless speculation. I don't actually want to vote anyone else BEFORE Ender, despite not being convinced. It's hard cause we don't have the full picture from boquise but that's just how the game goes.

Long Con wrote: ↑Sun Oct 29, 2023 2:57 pm Ender is a wolf, isn't he? Didn't Boq die to give us that info?

Boq said his assumption could be wrong, so it wasn't hard mech info, but it must've been something fairly convincing

robyn wrote: ↑Sun Oct 29, 2023 2:55 pm a very simple argument for one town, specifically nook town, in nook/ender town is that they’d both hold votes until the very end and nook could’ve just sheeped me but accumulated him + ender + 3 votes into a game over vote and have won quite easily

Maybe, but that's assuming scum had control over the ghost votes, right? I was under the assumption they were mostly random.