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iaafr wrote: ↑Tue Dec 06, 2022 4:09 pm
WindwardAway wrote: ↑Tue Dec 06, 2022 4:07 pm Wait why is there a Michelle wagon, what did i miss
hk nook and Chelsea all seem confident

other voters agree but with less enthusiasm

I've personally been back and forth

Eh, maybe I'll ISO her later if I find the time
I've only seen her wolf once and I don't remember it looking like this, but I remember her having a lot of stuff going on at the same time as that game so maybe her attention was split

Wait why is there a Michelle wagon, what did i miss

Oh also I think nutella is town, would probably sheep her case on Ender

SilverKeith wrote: ↑Tue Dec 06, 2022 3:31 pm Of the ppl Ran posted:

I think Nut might be a wolf if not an NPC, her stock went way down.
I didn't vibe with C4 but I actually never do, he's too confrontational sometimes and I like it when ppl just let me win.
I guess lily could be a wolf v easily.
Feels like wolf!lucy would actually enjoy the game more.
Agree with Katze/Iaafr not being wolves.
The duality between Rondo/Wind actually makes me think that if there was a more conventionally/traditionally active wolf in the game it could be one of those two.
Ender eyebrow raise.

Other wolves are prolly minposting or not giving a lot of content which makes it easier for them to blend with NPCs and also I might've just completely missed them or they didn't register in my head.

I do not think Ran is a wolf herself but for full disclosure if I were to think so I do not think I'd out my wolfread on her.

Well, as I said before, I'm an NPC lol, hence why I didn't vote yesterday (although honestly I considered voting just to WIFOM my participation again, but I missed the deadline anyway lmao)

I can make it easier for town and just not post anything else today so that my slot resolves so people can devote their energy to solving other players

Otherwise I can vibe and continue not to really help much because I'm actually in over my head with irl commitments this week and I will hard slank on this game

Or is tonight the night that half the NPCs get culled anyway? In that case I don't have to worry about postcount.

If you want the very few reads I've got, Manny isn't scum (he claimed NPC), Ranmilia feels towny (I've heard they're a good wolf but never seen their wolf game so idk), I still think one of Jack/JJJ is probably scum or scumsiding, I think Michelle is towny, IAWY seems ok so far but that doesn't really mean much, and katze is katze.

If this looks like a forced readlist it's because I'm just regurgitating whatever thoughts I had from earlier and haven't read much new.

RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Sat Dec 03, 2022 9:25 pm
Sabiplz wrote: ↑Sat Dec 03, 2022 9:14 pm Rondo is still a wolf.
I am dead night one. Go spend your energy elsewhere

I want to call this wolfy just to spite you for calling my very similar post wolfy

c4e5g3d5 wrote: ↑Sat Dec 03, 2022 9:21 pm
WindwardAway wrote: ↑Sat Dec 03, 2022 9:17 pm
c4e5g3d5 wrote: ↑Sat Dec 03, 2022 9:15 pm
WindwardAway wrote: ↑Sat Dec 03, 2022 9:07 pm Cause I kinda think Jack has a point
Not really
You don't think Jay would be more interested in solving as an NPC versus shitposting? Or you don't think the case really needs to be laid out the way Jack did it?
If he's an NPC, Jay's options are:

1. Play mafia
2. Don't play mafia

From what I know about Jay, I have a guess which he'd pick lol

But "this player isn't town for not solving" is such an obvious nothing read in this game that Jack making it seem at all deep is just lmfao (derogatory) to me.

But I questioned Jack on why this makes Jay exactly scum rather than just an NPC
and his answer from what I understood was that he expected Jay to play mafia as an NPC because Jay is usually invested in solving even when he isn't in the game

So it wasnt an argument of "this player isn't town for not solving", but more specifically, "Jay isn't town and also isn't an NPC for not solving"

And idk how important of a distinction you think that is, but it is at least some kind of distinction.

WindwardAway wrote: ↑Sat Dec 03, 2022 9:17 pm
c4e5g3d5 wrote: ↑Sat Dec 03, 2022 9:15 pm
WindwardAway wrote: ↑Sat Dec 03, 2022 9:07 pm Cause I kinda think Jack has a point
Not really
You don't think Jay would be more interested in solving as an NPC versus shitposting? Or you don't think the case really needs to be laid out the way Jack did it?

Tbf I don't know what Jay's scum game looks like either for reference
So if it doesn't contain a higher ratio of shitposting to looking solvy then that would be something to consider

c4e5g3d5 wrote: ↑Sat Dec 03, 2022 9:15 pm
WindwardAway wrote: ↑Sat Dec 03, 2022 9:07 pm Cause I kinda think Jack has a point
Not really

You don't think Jay would be more interested in solving as an NPC versus shitposting? Or you don't think the case really needs to be laid out the way Jack did it?

RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Sat Dec 03, 2022 9:13 pm
WindwardAway wrote: ↑Sat Dec 03, 2022 8:33 pm I mean honestly, the easiest way for me to get a good read on Rondo is going to be if I can get him to engage with me in good faith
And I already can see that being a struggle since he wanted to jump on me without giving me any room to do literally anything after a post or two
I don't care if he's town or not, it's just a bad approach and a bad faith read either way.
I will engage you in good faith after you solve away from my slot and start making waves. Its easy for a wolf to just throw sus back at me. Go get other people mad then I will ease up. That said less stilted and frozen today.

This is fair enough tbh
But also that's literally what I have been trying to do for the past hour

Idk if I'm making any sense

Cause I kinda think Jack has a point
But also he called my post wolfy where I pointed out that I couldn't just be shoehorned into agreeing that Jay is wolfy

c4e5g3d5 wrote: ↑Sat Dec 03, 2022 9:06 pm I legit think Jack's a wolf for putting effort into explaining why Jay isn't town lmao

I think one of them is a wolf but I'm not sure which one tbh

Manny wrote: ↑Sat Dec 03, 2022 8:38 pm
WindwardAway wrote: ↑Sat Dec 03, 2022 8:37 pm And if wolves decide to participate and vote while the NPCs don't, then at least town will have an idea of a pool of potential wolves
NPC's have no incentive to vote because A) Voting is a pain in the ass due to having to the votecount yourself and B) your vote doesnt even count
So i would assume that most people that are not voting at all are probably npc's.

So then actual players can use this to their advantage to figure out who's in the game or not, probably

I'm just thinking
If NPCs don't place votes and town does
Wolves might try to blend into the NPCs and not all place votes
Which means they wouldn't be in control of the vote at the end of the day, unless they suddenly out themselves to swing a wagon
And if wolves decide to participate and vote while the NPCs don't, then at least town will have an idea of a pool of potential wolves

... Does this make any sense or am I talking shit

That being said, I'm withholding my vote for now

Actually that was a dumb question
Wolves can sniff out town by waiting to see which wagon actually flips
If it isn't a wagon with plurality then obviously it has the most town on it

Question
Is it more helpful to town if NPCs place votes and muddy up the VC so wolves can't stake out the town, or is it more helpful for NPCs to withhold their votes so town has an idea of the actual vote count?

Anyway I've chewed up enough of the thread already on this when it probably isn't anyone's priority

I mean honestly, the easiest way for me to get a good read on Rondo is going to be if I can get him to engage with me in good faith
And I already can see that being a struggle since he wanted to jump on me without giving me any room to do literally anything after a post or two
I don't care if he's town or not, it's just a bad approach and a bad faith read either way.

Creature wrote: ↑Sat Dec 03, 2022 8:26 pm
WindwardAway wrote: ↑Sat Dec 03, 2022 8:24 pm
Michelle wrote: ↑Sat Dec 03, 2022 8:21 pm
WindwardAway wrote: ↑Sat Dec 03, 2022 8:18 pm I'm just juggling thoughts because I have not figured out what happens to the day elimination if the player with the plurality wagon has mostly NPCs on them and the next biggest wagon has more actual players on them

Because I am trying to discern whether a player who is actively vocal about getting other people to follow their lead is wolfy or towny as a result
Wait that's a towny thought.
Only players will have voting power, right?
Yes
And the thing with Rondo is not just that he is tunnelling me, but that he has been advocating for others to vote me as well.
So my thought was, does town try to round up other town to vote me out? Or is that a wolf move, trying to get the real town to vote me out, to ensure they aren't voting a wolf?
Town PC prob has to be voting and persuading others to vote.

Wolf PC has no much motivation to be voting anyone instead of just sitting out and expect NPC violence, but one wolf PC could be doing the above to look town.

I thought Rondo was fine tbh.

As I said before, my first impression of him was still that it was probably a towny push to make
I'm just wondering where the line gets drawn before it starts to become an agenda push from a wolf thinking i might be a town player
I'm not sure how many people in this game expected me to sign up as a player versus as an NPC, and I will give you the free information that I would've been fine with either.

But Rondo mentioned thinking I was a wolfy newbie or something, and I am neither a wolf nor a newbie, so I'm wondering how much of his thought process went into figuring out whether I'm a player or not. And if he thought about that aspect enough to make an immediate decision right away that I must be a scum player, kudos to him because I definitely did not put that much thought into whether anyone in particular was a player, let alone make a call on their alignment two posts in.

Town will place a vote based on where they think scum is
I don't think encouraging others to join them is inherently wolfy
But it's a matter of how they do it and how the votes shift, imo
And its a little hard for me to tell since I really have not been paying close attention to much of anything in this game

Town knows that they have a vote they can place to turn the tide of the elimination
Wolves also have the same
But wolves know who each other are
And they also know they can control the vote if they distract town (plus they don't care where the NPCs vote, but they also need to make sure that they specifically do not have town voting on wolves)

Michelle wrote: ↑Sat Dec 03, 2022 8:21 pm
WindwardAway wrote: ↑Sat Dec 03, 2022 8:18 pm I'm just juggling thoughts because I have not figured out what happens to the day elimination if the player with the plurality wagon has mostly NPCs on them and the next biggest wagon has more actual players on them

Because I am trying to discern whether a player who is actively vocal about getting other people to follow their lead is wolfy or towny as a result
Wait that's a towny thought.
Only players will have voting power, right?

Yes
And the thing with Rondo is not just that he is tunnelling me, but that he has been advocating for others to vote me as well.
So my thought was, does town try to round up other town to vote me out? Or is that a wolf move, trying to get the real town to vote me out, to ensure they aren't voting a wolf?

Creature wrote: ↑Sat Dec 03, 2022 8:19 pm
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Sat Dec 03, 2022 8:16 pm Fine imma go find the vote count
G-Man had one like 2-3 pages ago.

Sabi posted one after that which is more recent

I'm just juggling thoughts because I have not figured out what happens to the day elimination if the player with the plurality wagon has mostly NPCs on them and the next biggest wagon has more actual players on them

Because I am trying to discern whether a player who is actively vocal about getting other people to follow their lead is wolfy or towny as a result

You have my attention though, fwiw

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Sat Dec 03, 2022 8:15 pm
WindwardAway wrote: ↑Sat Dec 03, 2022 8:11 pm
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Sat Dec 03, 2022 8:08 pm Like you’re going about this the wrong way.

Take me and Jay. We are both townies irl. I will shitpost regardless of my alignment but also, we will both attempt to solve the game assuming we are townies or npcs.

When I’m more serious than Jay….what does that say about Jay’s alignment?
I know you want me to answer that it says Jay is scummier than you are
But I could just as easily answer that it might say that Jay is uninterested in solving as an NPC and that you're looking for excuses to push him as a wolf
So it's not as clear-cut of an answer as you think it is
This is potentially a pretty wolfy take.

It's blatant hedge from me, I'm not stupid lol

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Sat Dec 03, 2022 8:12 pm
WindwardAway wrote: ↑Sat Dec 03, 2022 8:11 pm
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Sat Dec 03, 2022 8:08 pm Like you’re going about this the wrong way.

Take me and Jay. We are both townies irl. I will shitpost regardless of my alignment but also, we will both attempt to solve the game assuming we are townies or npcs.

When I’m more serious than Jay….what does that say about Jay’s alignment?
I know you want me to answer that it says Jay is scummier than you are
But I could just as easily answer that it might say that Jay is uninterested in solving as an NPC and that you're looking for excuses to push him as a wolf
So it's not as clear-cut of an answer as you think it is
Why do you think NPC Jay doesn’t want to solve?

Because he entered the shitposting phase and chose not to leave it because he thought it was fun?
Idk, that's a personality thing and I don't think I've played anything that wasn't a mash with Jay
If you're saying he enjoys solving enough that he would solve even if he isn't in the game then tbh I would probably take your word for it
I've seen him give takes in the champs spec chat iirc
But those were standard size games and this is a large game if you count the NPCs

SilverKeith wrote: ↑Sat Dec 03, 2022 8:09 pm
WindwardAway wrote: ↑Sat Dec 03, 2022 7:41 pm
SilverKeith wrote: ↑Sat Dec 03, 2022 7:25 pm
WindwardAway wrote: ↑Sat Dec 03, 2022 7:19 pm
SilverKeith wrote: ↑Sat Dec 03, 2022 7:15 pm
WindwardAway wrote: ↑Sat Dec 03, 2022 7:08 pm
SilverKeith wrote: ↑Sat Dec 03, 2022 7:06 pm 'sup Wind. How do you propose we approach the game?

Sorry if you've said this already I'm not sure if I'll backread the game.
It's fine
I think it's fine to sort out for yourself who you think is a player versus npc but it isn't great to out your "this is a town player" takes in the thread because it gives wolves a target if there is enough of a consensus on the slot
Whereas its favorable to town to let wolves mistakenly hit an Npc
And most NPCs will lurk and not put in effort, so they aren't going to be night killed anyway until the NPC cull.
I see the value in what you're proposing but I also think it's a bit utopic.

Nutella said this earlier but for some players it's kinda easy to figure out if they're the type of person who would sign up as a player or as an NPC. I don't think mafia will have a lot of trouble with the NKs, I'm p sure they'd miss like 1, 2 at most kills, during 7 days, considering they have a scout, they just scout the player who they want to NK next, kinda.

Like, I think there's some kind of consensus on who's a player and who's an NPC, which is going to show itself more as the days go on whether we want it or not.

I know I've hardclaimed NPC earlier but ftr I'm the kind of person who would claim NPC as a player. I think, at least, no that I'd know for sure...
Yeah you have a point
Idk why people think I'm a wolf specifically though lol
If I joined this game as a player and randed wolf I would have to put my ass into high gear and not just potato around doing nothing and refusing to give reads if I was getting pushed
I know that falls under the category of "self-meta" but tbh that's how I play mashes, I potato around for like two or three days until half the playerlist is gone and then I do shit
And if I get pushed before that point and am in actual danger of dying then I feel obligated to produce results even if I have no idea what I am doing
Which... is not a good approach but yeah
Do ppl really think you're a wolf specifically aside from Rondo? And yeah I guess there's a bit of "lol self meta" but w/e. Ftr I don't think you're a potato and I like your playstyle. I think you can do good stuff given enough space to work with. Which is partially the push from Rondo annoys me, I think, now that I've written it. Hm.
Creature, from what I saw, also thinks I'm a wolf
I'm being pretty potatoey in this game, though, that wouldn't be a wrong take but yeah i havent had the time or space which is a bit disappointing, definitely for me and probably for other people

Thing is that I just form my reads naturally as they come along (I mean when I'm not scum, obviously) and so if I don't have reads, it's not as if I'm hiding them, I just literally don't have reads. Of course every single post leaves some sort of an impression but I try my best to filter out how much of my bias is based on an alignment indicative piece of information, and how much can potentially be chalked up to playstyle, and I would like to think I account pretty well for different playstyles but in reality I suck at reading certain players and I'm fairly accurate at reading others. So that doesn't really mean much in the end, I feel like I tend to peg playstyles correctly but the ones I know I have difficulty in reading, still give me difficulty despite that I'm aware of this.

So like, the thing with Rondo is that I would generally assume jumping at me straight out of the door is more towny than not, I didn't come across as particularly willing to solve, and stated my intent to watch chaos unfold which was kind of antitown or at least not protown. I wouldn't fault someone for thinking that's scummy. But persisting on it for longer and continuing to try to rally others into scumreading me on what seems like pretty thin reasoning is kind of questionable.

The other thing is, some people just do that as town because that's how they play. But sometimes they're the type who's aware of what they do as town, and use it to hide behind as scum. I don't know Rondo as a player but from what I'm gathering from Sabi, it sounds like Rondo would be able to get away with tunnelling on a bad push as scum because he does do it as town too and is conscious of it.

So yeah, correct me if I'm wrong on this. But that's what I've understood so far, which is not to necessarily clear Rondo for choosing to tunnel me the whole day when there seems to be a kind of low amount of interest on my slot compared to the other wagon candidates.
Creature doesn't count he gives wolfreads for free everyday. God knows I've been on his scumlist for far too long.

I'm not sure if you're correct on your meta assessment of rondo bc I'm not familiar of him, but generally speaking I have trouble reading his type of playsyle.

As for the rest, this is a p townie post actually, shame we're both npcs :¨)

Yep, definitely a shame

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Sat Dec 03, 2022 8:08 pm Like you’re going about this the wrong way.

Take me and Jay. We are both townies irl. I will shitpost regardless of my alignment but also, we will both attempt to solve the game assuming we are townies or npcs.

When I’m more serious than Jay….what does that say about Jay’s alignment?

I know you want me to answer that it says Jay is scummier than you are
But I could just as easily answer that it might say that Jay is uninterested in solving as an NPC and that you're looking for excuses to push him as a wolf
So it's not as clear-cut of an answer as you think it is

That was supposed to be a question mark lol

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Sat Dec 03, 2022 8:06 pm I kinda wanna yeet Jay under the idea that he’s not town Jay.

What's your case on him!

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Sat Dec 03, 2022 7:59 pm I kinda wanna yeet everyone hunting for PCs vs NPCs into the sun under both the idea of it being unhelpful and unimportant and easy to get wrong but also the most blatant example of busywork you could think of.

Well, that's kind of why I advocated against it
But idk, some of it has merit, some of it doesn't
I don't see any point in saying much until I actually think I've found a wolf, but I'm happy to discuss slots for that matter
I'm just not going to scream, "I found a player!!!! I think they're a town player!!!!" because that's still -EV in my opinion, maybe because I can't soulread most people if I've never played with them before.

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Sat Dec 03, 2022 7:57 pm
WindwardAway wrote: ↑Sat Dec 03, 2022 7:57 pm
DrWilgy wrote: ↑Sat Dec 03, 2022 7:55 pm
WindwardAway wrote: ↑Sat Dec 03, 2022 7:54 pm Cause I legit cannot tell if it was serious
Screaming shitposting npc Jay to me.

Let's kill it anyways.
What's the point of killing someone you think is >rand NPC though
Vengeance

Oh lol

WindwardAway wrote: ↑Sat Dec 03, 2022 7:57 pm
DrWilgy wrote: ↑Sat Dec 03, 2022 7:55 pm
WindwardAway wrote: ↑Sat Dec 03, 2022 7:54 pm Cause I legit cannot tell if it was serious
Screaming shitposting npc Jay to me.

Let's kill it anyways.
What's the point of killing someone you think is >rand NPC though

I mean I know it thins out the playerlist without doing any harm to town
But it doesn't exactly progress the game either, does it? Unless you think there's actually a chance JJJ is scum

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Sat Dec 03, 2022 7:55 pm
WindwardAway wrote: ↑Sat Dec 03, 2022 7:54 pm Cause I legit cannot tell if it was serious
Screaming shitposting npc Jay to me.

Let's kill it anyways.

What's the point of killing someone you think is >rand NPC though

Just a thought
That I am contemplating following up on
And going back into observer mode with very little commentary

The farther I remove myself from this game, the more accurate my reads are gonna be

Cause I legit cannot tell if it was serious

Btw I meant, is JJJ's post on katze a real take

Sabiplz wrote: ↑Sat Dec 03, 2022 7:52 pm
WindwardAway wrote: ↑Sat Dec 03, 2022 7:51 pm
Sabiplz wrote: ↑Sat Dec 03, 2022 7:50 pm Anyway I need to go buy brie for the baked brie dish in my cheese dishes (I made a cheese board and also doing a baked brie) for friendsmasgiving.
Nice, have fun!
I did my cooking duty last week and it was a blast but I had Thanksgiving leftovers all week lol
Yea making a baked brie with onion chutney

And another baked brie with cranberry chutney

:3

Both sound amazing

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Sat Dec 03, 2022 7:51 pm
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sat Dec 03, 2022 2:49 pm Evidence that katze's motivations in this game are dark and foreboding, such that you might consider katze to be aligned with an unsavory faction

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katze wrote: ↑Fri Dec 02, 2022 7:10 pm Hello everyone!!! I'm katze, and I'll be shitposting in your game!

If you would like to reach to me, you can PM me here on the Syndicate or DM me on Discord. Here's the info you need for that:

katze
Discord ID: macdougall#69420
please dont click me
Time Zone: Pacific Standard Time (UTC-8)

Please remember that every other player is also katze. We make no mistakes. All of us are perfect. Treat others with joy and exercise eyebleaching with cat pictures if you feel yourself beginning to get angry or upset at the game. If you need to vent, please feel free to message your mother, I am happy to listen in. She is also available for reports of any Code of Conduct or Rules violations. Consider me your favorite NPC so that the game state remains healthy and exciting for everyone.

If you have game-related queries (setup, role questions, game play, etc.) please ask in thread.

Finally, please take a few minutes.

Here we see katze immediately proclaiming that they intend to shitpost in the game. I am being asked to believe that katze is just going to shitpost in this Mafia game thread, where players are trying to win the game, as though katze doesn't even care. Well, I'll be the judge. We'll see if this reflects a consistent mindset.

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katze wrote: ↑Fri Dec 02, 2022 7:12 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Fri Dec 02, 2022 7:03 pm Let's begin with a rousing game of Walrus.

Please post your entry in the thread in the form of a YouTube video.

The theme is "Keeping Secrets".

Good luck team, see you in 48.

So here, in just their second post, right after the previous post, they post a fart??? Excuse you, I guess? To me this looks like a player who wants to promote the image of being uncaring, and they're just milking it way beyond reason. I don't buy it. This might have even been a nervous fart rebranded as something comedic.

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katze wrote: ↑Fri Dec 02, 2022 7:20 pm
c4e5g3d5 wrote: ↑Fri Dec 02, 2022 7:18 pm I'm cold reading kat as an NPC for being here at all and I'm also leaving
well duh

I find it extremely doubtful that katze would just tell everyone they're an NPC like this if they're being honest. Posturing anyone? Fake claiming anyone? You can't just do this.

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katze wrote: ↑Fri Dec 02, 2022 7:20 pm
SilverKeith wrote: ↑Fri Dec 02, 2022 7:19 pm Also I'm planning on townsiding.

Unless other players also claim NPC and they plan on townsiding, in that case I'm wolfsiding.
my reads are shit but ill townside just so u wolfside and then we can repeat that one game

Oh my god. I can't believe they wrote this post. This is sooooo bad. CLEARLY katze is trying to get in front of wolfsiding by claiming bad reads. This is disgusting.

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katze wrote: ↑Fri Dec 02, 2022 7:26 pm i called michelle a player first so rabbit and nutella are just sheeping the champze

tbh

Blatant pocketing. I hope iaafr and nutella aren't fooled. I'm not buying any of this. The whole ISO is SCREAMING wolf.

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katze wrote: ↑Fri Dec 02, 2022 8:27 pm sloonei kinda cute tho

OMG will the pocketing never end?

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katze wrote: ↑Fri Dec 02, 2022 11:43 pm if hally isnt an NPC shes an obvious villager btw

katze wrote: ↑Fri Dec 02, 2022 11:43 pm i have a hally godread

This is pretty damning for Hally. katze town read them so I think they're both bad news.

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katze wrote: ↑Sat Dec 03, 2022 11:39 am
ilario wrote: ↑Sat Dec 03, 2022 11:38 am if katze/sloonei turn out to not be npcs i wouldnt be surprised if they turn out to be mafia, but imma just treat them as npcs for now
my iso is out of my wolf range

unfortunately it is also out of my town range

Oh yeah! I believe you! Not!

~~~

Conclusion

katze is town
Someone give me the updated vote count so I can vote this man.

...is that a real take lol

Sabiplz wrote: ↑Sat Dec 03, 2022 7:50 pm Anyway I need to go buy brie for the baked brie dish in my cheese dishes (I made a cheese board and also doing a baked brie) for friendsmasgiving.

Nice, have fun!
I did my cooking duty last week and it was a blast but I had Thanksgiving leftovers all week lol

Sabiplz wrote: ↑Sat Dec 03, 2022 7:49 pm
WindwardAway wrote: ↑Sat Dec 03, 2022 7:48 pm
Sabiplz wrote: ↑Sat Dec 03, 2022 7:47 pm Windwardwallpost aka lock not scum
Have you not seen me wallpost as scum? Kinda surprised if so
But I don't remember if you've even seen my scum game
I have and your wallpost there are different

OK I guess I don't wallpost half my self-meta and then leave a hedgy read lmao

Sabiplz wrote: ↑Sat Dec 03, 2022 7:47 pm Windwardwallpost aka lock not scum

Have you not seen me wallpost as scum? Kinda surprised if so
But I don't remember if you've even seen my scum game

Manny wrote: ↑Sat Dec 03, 2022 7:47 pm
Sabiplz wrote: ↑Sat Dec 03, 2022 7:26 pm I blame the edibles I took earlier
Dont put it on the edibles they just make it easier to say what you think :^), embrace that side of yourself sabi.

They're too busy embracing that lopunny

nutella wrote: ↑Sat Dec 03, 2022 7:43 pm windwallaway uwu

Lol I hope you weren't holding your breath for that one

Also, sorry my focus is so incredibly narrow because I haven't been reading the thread
I just figured I'd go with the Rondo discussion since I've obviously paid some attention to his push on me and it's a bit easier for me to get into the game if I solve around my own slot first and branch out from there

SilverKeith wrote: ↑Sat Dec 03, 2022 7:26 pm I love the fact that there's a game related conversation going on while the "lopbunny mommy" discourse is also happening around it.

Keep it going gang you're doing great.

I'm not sure if I should be proud or horrified that I'm participating in both conversations

SilverKeith wrote: ↑Sat Dec 03, 2022 7:25 pm
WindwardAway wrote: ↑Sat Dec 03, 2022 7:19 pm
SilverKeith wrote: ↑Sat Dec 03, 2022 7:15 pm
WindwardAway wrote: ↑Sat Dec 03, 2022 7:08 pm
SilverKeith wrote: ↑Sat Dec 03, 2022 7:06 pm
WindwardAway wrote: ↑Sat Dec 03, 2022 7:03 pm I think finding players is ~fine but publicly announcing who you think is a player or npc is not a good town tactic
I said this before and I'm saying it again
'sup Wind. How do you propose we approach the game?

Sorry if you've said this already I'm not sure if I'll backread the game.
It's fine
I think it's fine to sort out for yourself who you think is a player versus npc but it isn't great to out your "this is a town player" takes in the thread because it gives wolves a target if there is enough of a consensus on the slot
Whereas its favorable to town to let wolves mistakenly hit an Npc
And most NPCs will lurk and not put in effort, so they aren't going to be night killed anyway until the NPC cull.
I see the value in what you're proposing but I also think it's a bit utopic.

Nutella said this earlier but for some players it's kinda easy to figure out if they're the type of person who would sign up as a player or as an NPC. I don't think mafia will have a lot of trouble with the NKs, I'm p sure they'd miss like 1, 2 at most kills, during 7 days, considering they have a scout, they just scout the player who they want to NK next, kinda.

Like, I think there's some kind of consensus on who's a player and who's an NPC, which is going to show itself more as the days go on whether we want it or not.

I know I've hardclaimed NPC earlier but ftr I'm the kind of person who would claim NPC as a player. I think, at least, no that I'd know for sure...
Yeah you have a point
Idk why people think I'm a wolf specifically though lol
If I joined this game as a player and randed wolf I would have to put my ass into high gear and not just potato around doing nothing and refusing to give reads if I was getting pushed
I know that falls under the category of "self-meta" but tbh that's how I play mashes, I potato around for like two or three days until half the playerlist is gone and then I do shit
And if I get pushed before that point and am in actual danger of dying then I feel obligated to produce results even if I have no idea what I am doing
Which... is not a good approach but yeah
Do ppl really think you're a wolf specifically aside from Rondo? And yeah I guess there's a bit of "lol self meta" but w/e. Ftr I don't think you're a potato and I like your playstyle. I think you can do good stuff given enough space to work with. Which is partially the push from Rondo annoys me, I think, now that I've written it. Hm.

Creature, from what I saw, also thinks I'm a wolf
I'm being pretty potatoey in this game, though, that wouldn't be a wrong take but yeah i havent had the time or space which is a bit disappointing, definitely for me and probably for other people

Thing is that I just form my reads naturally as they come along (I mean when I'm not scum, obviously) and so if I don't have reads, it's not as if I'm hiding them, I just literally don't have reads. Of course every single post leaves some sort of an impression but I try my best to filter out how much of my bias is based on an alignment indicative piece of information, and how much can potentially be chalked up to playstyle, and I would like to think I account pretty well for different playstyles but in reality I suck at reading certain players and I'm fairly accurate at reading others. So that doesn't really mean much in the end, I feel like I tend to peg playstyles correctly but the ones I know I have difficulty in reading, still give me difficulty despite that I'm aware of this.

So like, the thing with Rondo is that I would generally assume jumping at me straight out of the door is more towny than not, I didn't come across as particularly willing to solve, and stated my intent to watch chaos unfold which was kind of antitown or at least not protown. I wouldn't fault someone for thinking that's scummy. But persisting on it for longer and continuing to try to rally others into scumreading me on what seems like pretty thin reasoning is kind of questionable.

The other thing is, some people just do that as town because that's how they play. But sometimes they're the type who's aware of what they do as town, and use it to hide behind as scum. I don't know Rondo as a player but from what I'm gathering from Sabi, it sounds like Rondo would be able to get away with tunnelling on a bad push as scum because he does do it as town too and is conscious of it.

So yeah, correct me if I'm wrong on this. But that's what I've understood so far, which is not to necessarily clear Rondo for choosing to tunnel me the whole day when there seems to be a kind of low amount of interest on my slot compared to the other wagon candidates.

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