The Syndicate

But I think i was treated unfairly here.

That's all I'm gonna say publicly.

fingersplints wrote: ↑Sat Jun 03, 2023 6:51 am Town played amazing. Just unlucky. I literally thought every day I was going to be the elim and it would be up to thunal, who is an absolute superstar.

I still hate my part in the drama and apologise again. If anyone would like to discuss and evaluate, or continue the conversation, my inbox is open. Mafia is tense and it’s easy to have moments that are too much.

Thank you jay, Scotty, and wilgy for your understanding and compassion.

I'm really upset about it you can message me if you want but you don't have to I'm trying to just move on

Whelp

[VOTE: Porscha] aubergine glgl

Porscha wrote: ↑Thu Jun 01, 2023 7:56 pm
Zenon wrote: ↑Thu Jun 01, 2023 6:51 pm Give me my iso dang it
---zenon day 1---
-cute

~~~Zenon day 2~~~
-cutie patootie

***zenon day 3***
-cheek pinches

Love you 2 bb

Porscha wrote: ↑Thu Jun 01, 2023 7:50 pm
Ricochet wrote: ↑Thu Jun 01, 2023 2:03 pm Don’t get what Zenon and Porscha are cooking in the past posts, with the meowing and asking Porscha to vouch for high-post Z.
And have I done that?

I mean you should but...

Give me my iso dang it

Ricochet wrote: ↑Thu Jun 01, 2023 2:03 pm Don’t get what Zenon and Porscha are cooking in the past posts, with the meowing and asking Porscha to vouch for high-post Z.

Masonry

Game ezpz Porscha town

But like don't follow her cause she's tunneling town

Porscha wrote: ↑Thu Jun 01, 2023 1:20 pm
Zenon wrote: ↑Thu Jun 01, 2023 9:31 am
Porscha wrote: ↑Wed May 31, 2023 7:10 pm My problem is that if zenon is actually town then it means I'm left with a poe of like, fs and falcon and to a much lesser degree Roxy. I dont see why it cant be fs and falcon for example but there so much less content from them to scrutinize. @Zenon when you come back pls let me know what you think of Falcons posts today
Falcon is meh

But I think if splints is wolf so is Roxy frankly

Also I'm sus of you right meow
You've been sus of me all meowday

Come on miss falcon reading queen!!! I asked specifically you about him cuz you've been touting your falcon reading ability recently

Meowdidoo

Ricochet wrote: ↑Thu Jun 01, 2023 1:13 pm I wouldn’t know such meta to even infer.

Porscha would though

Well not really unless you think it's an inconsistentcy that would make me wolfy

Imagine if I were playing at my normal pace though

I'd usually be at like 500 posts by now

This iso isn't even that big

So I am anxious about it

Porscha wrote: ↑Thu Jun 01, 2023 3:06 am yeah idk I want to see what zenon says about him... I felt like maybe he had points where he could be towny, I'm not as sold as I could be on him and i'm kinda sr'ing him

I think falcon is more town than not on a base level but his play directly reminds me of his wolf game in a recent game.

Thunal33 wrote: ↑Wed May 31, 2023 8:59 pm
Zenon wrote: ↑Wed May 31, 2023 8:19 pm
Thunal33 wrote: ↑Wed May 31, 2023 1:29 pm What pinged me when I took a look at Splints was what Ricochet brought up earlier - that there's a lack of concrete reasoning that Zenon is a wolf. It's more about saying Zenon is misrepresenting her past play than any points Splints explicitly found wolfy from Zenon.
Woofs are defs using me as a lightning rod of sorts. When my heart is in a game I get sussed just by the way I play generally so when my heart isn't fully in the game imagine how easy I am to push.

I'm a valuable pocket when I'm invested but as a wolf in this game I'd push the fuck out of myself instead because of how easy it would be to kill myself

Everyone has sus on me. Every player including the ones who town read me at times have expressed some doubt. I'm basically thread spewed town but with the whole thread in doubt I will be pushed relentlessly
How are you thread spewed town if everyone doubts you?

Because everyone doubts me lol.

This isn't a game where wolfs aren't protecting other wolfs but even the people who are town reading me keep throwing out sus on me. Distancing ig but why bother when you are just winning and can hard defend each other.

Porscha wrote: ↑Wed May 31, 2023 7:10 pm My problem is that if zenon is actually town then it means I'm left with a poe of like, fs and falcon and to a much lesser degree Roxy. I dont see why it cant be fs and falcon for example but there so much less content from them to scrutinize. @Zenon when you come back pls let me know what you think of Falcons posts today

Falcon is meh

But I think if splints is wolf so is Roxy frankly

Also I'm sus of you right meow

Thunal33 wrote: ↑Wed May 31, 2023 1:29 pm What pinged me when I took a look at Splints was what Ricochet brought up earlier - that there's a lack of concrete reasoning that Zenon is a wolf. It's more about saying Zenon is misrepresenting her past play than any points Splints explicitly found wolfy from Zenon.

Woofs are defs using me as a lightning rod of sorts. When my heart is in a game I get sussed just by the way I play generally so when my heart isn't fully in the game imagine how easy I am to push.

I'm a valuable pocket when I'm invested but as a wolf in this game I'd push the fuck out of myself instead because of how easy it would be to kill myself

Everyone has sus on me. Every player including the ones who town read me at times have expressed some doubt. I'm basically thread spewed town but with the whole thread in doubt I will be pushed relentlessly

Ricochet wrote: ↑Wed May 31, 2023 1:09 pm Nobody other than two wolves knows my alignment. It’s not about trusting me, it’s about reading me town or wolf - and it wolf, do you have the arguments? - or to consider me so deep in PoE that I need elimination - do you? - or at least to think my flip will get you good info to push the game forward - again, do you?

It's about more than that. A read can be wrong flips are important because info wins or loses this game. Killing someone who is barely playing this game gives limited info in a time we need the most we can get

Porscha wrote: ↑Wed May 31, 2023 1:05 pm
Zenon wrote: ↑Wed May 31, 2023 1:04 pm
Porscha wrote: ↑Wed May 31, 2023 12:56 pm
Thunal33 wrote: ↑Wed May 31, 2023 9:58 am
Zenon wrote: ↑Wed May 31, 2023 4:08 am
Thunal33 wrote: ↑Tue May 30, 2023 10:34 pm Where I'm at right now:
Town:
Zenon
Splints
Roxy
PoE:
Falcon
Porscha
Rico
Holy crap how am I top town
I had a lot of town pings from you - in addition to the early ones I mentioned before and the you/Splints fight, I thought you wanting to die and be resolved at EoD was more likely to come from town.
She didnt actually want to die or be resolved, she didnt even vote herself

This is probs why you're alive and epi isnt
Extremely untrue. And I don't believe any of this is anything other than taking advantage of my status in this game.

I wanted to die. I won't vote myself for it in most cases though.
In my experience that is an untrue statement lol you'll vote yourself any day of the week usually
But you're also not usually in a 2 man wolf game

Depends how upset I am. Here I'm not upset I just think it's best for me to die and other things in my life are taking precedent over this game

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Wed May 31, 2023 11:51 am
Roxy wrote: ↑Wed May 31, 2023 11:06 am falcon's EoD:

Lemme start this off by saying he had made a "case" on splints and voted for her then this all happened:

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Mon May 29, 2023 6:52 pm
Porscha wrote: ↑Mon May 29, 2023 5:36 pm
falcon45ca wrote: ↑Mon May 29, 2023 10:06 am
Porscha wrote: ↑Sun May 28, 2023 9:45 pm
falcon45ca wrote: ↑Sun May 28, 2023 7:55 pm Howdy, what have I missed?9
Ifyoudontstartplayingthismotherfuckinggameisweartogod

I work 50+ hrs a week, 2 hockey games weekly, reahrsals & gigs...I'm tryin'

I shall spend some time and ISO folks today. Got any suggestions?
Psv
Seems pretty towny, or at the very least it's not scummy from what I can see. I won't vote there today
Says PSV seems pretty townie and he won't vote there today.....

famous last words?

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Mon May 29, 2023 7:06 pm Hmmmm, going thru Ricochet's ISO, I find it far more towny than PSV's
Suddenly Rico's iso is far more townie than PSV's.

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Mon May 29, 2023 7:07 pm [VOTE: neon] aubergine
Then quite strangely he votes Zenon, who refers to as Neon, with no reasoning that I seen.

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Mon May 29, 2023 7:31 pm
Porscha wrote: ↑Mon May 29, 2023 7:28 pm
Roxy wrote: ↑Mon May 29, 2023 5:44 pm
Porscha wrote: ↑Mon May 29, 2023 5:37 pm
Porscha wrote: ↑Mon May 29, 2023 1:49 am I feel rico has been pretty towny

if i'm wrong, why

Porscha wrote: ↑Mon May 29, 2023 2:19 am

I regret to inform you all that this post tmi'd rondo town and we should all vote psv
I see I was blatantly ignored for nonsense, but dont frets my friends I am here to make sure i am responded to and will be annoying about it if needed
If I am being honest then I did not respond to this bc I'm not seeing what you are seeing. I do not see how PSV tmi'd Rondo.
they asked what wolf rondo is like when he is wolf b/c they knew he was town

it was a fake question
Yeah actually, reading that it does have an implied tmi on Rondo's slot. Good catch!

[VOTE: PSV] aubergine
Now he votes PSV after saying they felt they were townie and won't vote there.

His posts have left me scratching my head bc they seem to fly all over the place. This EoD (so far) is the pingy-est.

Town reads change as the game progresses...and you're totally ignoring the progression here and just acting as tho it just happened out of thin air.

@Zenon Why do I call you Neon?

Presumably cause it was my name for months

Porscha wrote: ↑Wed May 31, 2023 1:05 pm
Zenon wrote: ↑Wed May 31, 2023 1:03 pm
Porscha wrote: ↑Wed May 31, 2023 12:51 pm
Roxy wrote: ↑Wed May 31, 2023 9:16 am
Ricochet wrote: ↑Wed May 31, 2023 9:14 am
Zenon wrote: ↑Wed May 31, 2023 9:12 am Yeah I'm fine being in F5 but imagine your the CW in very close wagons and the other wagon is a town and the behaviors around both wagons were weird. Learning if that was T v T or S v T is super beneficial.
What do you gain from finding out my wagon was also on a mislynch path? Who will you solve f5 from it?

PSV could have self-pres’d into a tie with you, so why not apply the same with you?
I do agree with this thought as well. Zenon's elim would also "blow the game wide open".
Okay yeah we agree on this
Tell ya what get me to L - 1 and I'll hammer myself
Oh NOW you offer to hammer yourself after I said you hadn't done that

I live to hammer I'd do it for anyone

Porscha wrote: ↑Wed May 31, 2023 1:02 pm
Zenon wrote: ↑Wed May 31, 2023 1:01 pm
Roxy wrote: ↑Wed May 31, 2023 12:00 pm
Zenon wrote: ↑Wed May 31, 2023 11:43 am
Ricochet wrote: ↑Wed May 31, 2023 11:08 am
Zenon wrote: ↑Wed May 31, 2023 11:01 am
Ricochet wrote: ↑Wed May 31, 2023 9:14 am

What do you gain from finding out my wagon was also on a mislynch path? Who will you solve f5 from it?

PSV could have self-pres’d into a tie with you, so why not apply the same with you?
Well mainly that Porscha moving off both wagons looks bad in a vacuum if it was T v T but I can also deign that wolves would scatter votes in that scenario
Well, I do go by the knowledge that it was T v T, since I am not wolf.

Scatter wolf votes among these wagons is already the likelier odds, unless the team would be Thunal / Zenon or Falcon / Roxy. Does either of these teams sound plausible to you - or general question.

Off wagon would be just Splints (who arguably voted very early and never moved) and Porscha.
But I don't know that. I can't spend time solving in this world because I need to see it for myself
I also do not understand the point you are making here Zenon. You can see the world yourself by reading the thread or iso's of players. Are you trying to get elimmed bc you don't want to play? If yes can you ask to be subbed out instead of you giving up?
No I can't see this world by reading the game it exists on the knowledge that someone who isn't dead is town. They know that I do not.
Reword pls

Rico hypothetical requires Rico to be town

He knows his role. I do not and can not without flip.

Porscha wrote: ↑Wed May 31, 2023 12:56 pm
Thunal33 wrote: ↑Wed May 31, 2023 9:58 am
Zenon wrote: ↑Wed May 31, 2023 4:08 am
Thunal33 wrote: ↑Tue May 30, 2023 10:34 pm Where I'm at right now:
Town:
Zenon
Splints
Roxy
PoE:
Falcon
Porscha
Rico
Holy crap how am I top town
I had a lot of town pings from you - in addition to the early ones I mentioned before and the you/Splints fight, I thought you wanting to die and be resolved at EoD was more likely to come from town.
She didnt actually want to die or be resolved, she didnt even vote herself

This is probs why you're alive and epi isnt

Extremely untrue. And I don't believe any of this is anything other than taking advantage of my status in this game.

I wanted to die. I won't vote myself for it in most cases though.

Porscha wrote: ↑Wed May 31, 2023 12:51 pm
Roxy wrote: ↑Wed May 31, 2023 9:16 am
Ricochet wrote: ↑Wed May 31, 2023 9:14 am
Zenon wrote: ↑Wed May 31, 2023 9:12 am Yeah I'm fine being in F5 but imagine your the CW in very close wagons and the other wagon is a town and the behaviors around both wagons were weird. Learning if that was T v T or S v T is super beneficial.
What do you gain from finding out my wagon was also on a mislynch path? Who will you solve f5 from it?

PSV could have self-pres’d into a tie with you, so why not apply the same with you?
I do agree with this thought as well. Zenon's elim would also "blow the game wide open".
Okay yeah we agree on this

Tell ya what get me to L - 1 and I'll hammer myself

Porscha wrote: ↑Wed May 31, 2023 12:41 pm
Zenon wrote: ↑Wed May 31, 2023 4:22 am
Porscha wrote: ↑Wed May 31, 2023 2:52 am
Zenon wrote: ↑Wed May 31, 2023 2:12 am
Porscha wrote: ↑Tue May 30, 2023 9:16 pm I think I am concerned with Roxy and rico the most from reading epi and like
Rico was cw
And roxy jumped on my pewr tmi read on psv

But also zenon exists idk
Sip sip

[VOTE: Porscha] aubergine
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Hello. Will you lead a misexe on me today but unvote at the last second?
I mean if you keep being wolfy yeah I might lol

Dope. Why am I wolfy?

Ricochet wrote: ↑Wed May 31, 2023 12:02 pm
Zenon wrote: ↑Wed May 31, 2023 11:57 am
Thunal33 wrote: ↑Wed May 31, 2023 11:16 am I'm currently working on a Zenon ISO but I'll pop in to say voting for info, policy, or any reason other than voting the most likely wolf in f7 is a good way to lose the game. The best way to get info is to flip a wolf.
I win FX for a reason. I'm very good at it.
As wolf?

Didn’t you blew up the lylo in Secret Mafia with a snap vote, am I remembering incorrectly?

I have won more than I've lost I don't remember that game lol

Roxy wrote: ↑Wed May 31, 2023 12:00 pm
Zenon wrote: ↑Wed May 31, 2023 11:43 am
Ricochet wrote: ↑Wed May 31, 2023 11:08 am
Zenon wrote: ↑Wed May 31, 2023 11:01 am
Ricochet wrote: ↑Wed May 31, 2023 9:14 am
Zenon wrote: ↑Wed May 31, 2023 9:12 am Yeah I'm fine being in F5 but imagine your the CW in very close wagons and the other wagon is a town and the behaviors around both wagons were weird. Learning if that was T v T or S v T is super beneficial.
What do you gain from finding out my wagon was also on a mislynch path? Who will you solve f5 from it?

PSV could have self-pres’d into a tie with you, so why not apply the same with you?
Well mainly that Porscha moving off both wagons looks bad in a vacuum if it was T v T but I can also deign that wolves would scatter votes in that scenario
Well, I do go by the knowledge that it was T v T, since I am not wolf.

Scatter wolf votes among these wagons is already the likelier odds, unless the team would be Thunal / Zenon or Falcon / Roxy. Does either of these teams sound plausible to you - or general question.

Off wagon would be just Splints (who arguably voted very early and never moved) and Porscha.
But I don't know that. I can't spend time solving in this world because I need to see it for myself
I also do not understand the point you are making here Zenon. You can see the world yourself by reading the thread or iso's of players. Are you trying to get elimmed bc you don't want to play? If yes can you ask to be subbed out instead of you giving up?

No I can't see this world by reading the game it exists on the knowledge that someone who isn't dead is town. They know that I do not.

Thunal33 wrote: ↑Wed May 31, 2023 12:00 pm Zenon ISO:
Spoiler: show
Zenon wrote: ↑Thu May 25, 2023 5:13 am [VOTE: Rondo] aubergine

If this vote is boiled down to omgus i will lose my mind
I thought this was towny - she’s drawing attention to herself and wanting people to take her vote seriously.
Zenon wrote: ↑Fri May 26, 2023 3:08 pm
RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Fri May 26, 2023 10:56 am @zenon pls come save me
Oh BTW Rondo is town just wrong so like that's a thing.

Maybe not wrong on everything though. I'll figure that out. Kinda agree Lemon looks bad at this point in my catch up.
Switch to thinking Rondo is wrong town. This could go either way, it could be realizing Rondo isn’t pushable or thinking his stream of posting is towny.
Zenon wrote: ↑Fri May 26, 2023 3:17 pm Caught up

[VOTE: Splints] aubergine
Votes Splints when she was inactive d1.

Zenon wrote: ↑Fri May 26, 2023 3:23 pm Lemon as town lives in omgus and bases the entirety of her play around how she perceives treatment of her slot and pushes on her. She knows she's lhf and that wolfs will abuse that and she hyperfocuses on "omgus" to find wolfs but really she's just using lessons about how wolfs treated her in the past to find the wolfs pushing lhf Lemon when she knows she's town

I hard pushed her for it a few times before realizing that it's towny for her and generally accurate in that wolfs will usually push her.

Wolf Lemon you'd think could easily fake this. I... don't remember if I've ever seen wolf Lemon in person though.
Defense of Lemon. I think this is somewhat towny.

Zenon wrote: ↑Fri May 26, 2023 3:35 pm
Epignosis - vibe read town but don't remember much content wise

falcon45ca - Falcon is hard to read because he plays the game so like nonchalant so I always think he's town but he's snowed me twice so I'm being more cautious and his game play is reminding me of a recent wolf rand

potentialsheltervet - I have recently read psv wrong which is giving me pause because I'm uninspired by their play but I was in that game too

Ricochet - tonally and game play wise i just town read here but I'm not aware enough of the player to be wholly confident they couldn't fake it

Roxy - I consistently wolf read Roxy. I'm consistently wrong. I wolf read Roxy.

Thunal33 - tonally and game play wise i just town read here but I'm not aware enough of the player to be wholly confident they couldn't fake it
A lot of focus on past games and avoiding mistakes in this list which I think looks fairly good.

Zenon wrote: ↑Fri May 26, 2023 7:57 pm
RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Fri May 26, 2023 7:35 pm What do you have to say about Roxy banning a finger vote?
The reasons were bad and I'm not moving
For context, Roxy not wanting to vote Splints was because Splints was putting her daughter to sleep. I don’t like this dismissal of Roxy’s post without actually looking into Roxy for it.

Zenon wrote: ↑Sun May 28, 2023 6:20 am
Like this is just incorrect. If Rondo is hard pushing townies there's no reason to kill him he's loud and town will listen. And he was pushing townies. It's literally not insane to think this way.

Sauce: me. I'm good at woofin.
At EoD Rondo townread Epi, me, and Porscha and sussed Zenon, Lemon, and to some extent Splints. I think this at least lines up with Zenon pushing Splints.
Zenon wrote: ↑Sun May 28, 2023 7:45 am [VOTE: Roxy] aubergine

Zenon wrote: ↑Sun May 28, 2023 4:36 pm

AtE isn't towny and I'm not gonna apologize for voting it.

You voting me for bad reasons and immediately bailing when my wagon gained traction is wolfy because I know I'm gonna flip town. You're scared to sit on me.
Zenon put Roxy at L-2 because she believed Roxy’s expression of emotion was wolfy. I noticed that Zenon didn’t apply this consistently. She expressed emotion herself but didn’t change her stance. Splints expressed emotion but Zenon didn’t wolfread that.

Zenon wrote: ↑Sun May 28, 2023 2:01 pm Town

fingersplints
Porscha
Thunal33
Zenon

Town ish

Epignosis
potentialsheltervet
Ricochet
Roxy

Not town idk

falcon45ca

Meh I can't find footing this game I hate this
Safe readslist, but I wonder if it's *too* safe to come from a wolf. I think w!Zenon would know that only suspecting the lowest poster wouldn't be a good look.

Zenon wrote: ↑Mon May 29, 2023 2:44 pm
I'm town. I think this push is bad. Weather it's bad and mafia or not I have no fucking clue.
This conviction of being in the right during the Zenon/Splints fight and really wanting to defend herself I thought looked towny for Zenon.

Zenon wrote: ↑Mon May 29, 2023 5:14 pm
I think the way he joined and left my wagon was wolfy
Zenon’s suspicion of Rico didn’t have a lot of reasoning.
Zenon wrote: ↑Mon May 29, 2023 6:38 pm I'm kinda really not in a mentally good place right now but not cause of this game... but it is effecting this game and I think the game state and thread vibes improve with me dead
While I have seen a wolf ask to be voted, I think it comes more often from town.
Zenon wrote: ↑Wed May 31, 2023 8:46 am Potentially flipping Rico blows this game wide open
I don’t agree with this statement or Zenon wanting to vote Rico and I find that wolves sometimes take advantage of someone’s status of “needing to be resolved” which gave me doubt about Zenon.

Zenon wrote: ↑Wed May 31, 2023 11:41 am Self doubt is back
Then she doubts it after. I’m not really sure what to make of that.
I don't townread Zenon as much as I did coming into today. The town pings I got are still valid, like her treatment of the Splints fight and her early handling of the game. I still don't like her handling of Rico today and it feels almost too consistent. What doesn't make a lot of sense to me in a Zenon town world is why she didn't apply the same logic of emotion being wolfy to Splints that she did to Roxy. @Zenon can you answer this?

As with all things in mafia you have to make a judgement on if it's real or not. I found splints reaction more real than Roxys at the time

I don't agree with this take

Thunal33 wrote: ↑Wed May 31, 2023 11:16 am I'm currently working on a Zenon ISO but I'll pop in to say voting for info, policy, or any reason other than voting the most likely wolf in f7 is a good way to lose the game. The best way to get info is to flip a wolf.

I win FX for a reason. I'm very good at it.

Ricochet wrote: ↑Wed May 31, 2023 11:16 am Off the cuff, a Zenon townflip is probably less ideal and discerning.

It leaves to wonder if Splints was opportunistic to hound / vote her.
Falcon also a conundrum with a suss and a vote on Zenon taken later off - perhaps also opportunistic, but not hands-dirtying wolf.

Dunno if wolf Thunal would bank that much townreading on Zenon to look good post-mislynch.
Wolf Porscha probably content to have Zenon mislynched, though I still don't get why she'd bring heat for moving off PSV (and not being equally content with having had PSV mislynched).

Roxy dunno.

But I plan to revisit this, instead of writing from memory.

Just my thoughts. I have pushed splints on and off because I think their treatment of me was hyper wolfy.

I think falcon is town he usually pockets me as wolf I'm not really being pocketed by him he's just kinda here he can do that as wolf too I'm not gonna call him clear but I am leaning town

Speaking of pocketing Thunal saw a few of my games... like... champs I think. If you watched that you know the biggest not so secret thing that macs been telling me is a problem. I'm really pocketed and thunal should know that. In a world where I am being pocketed it is always Thunal

Roxy is town I'm gonna set this read and forget this read

Roxy wrote: ↑Wed May 31, 2023 11:12 am
Zenon wrote: ↑Wed May 31, 2023 11:10 am
Thunal33 wrote: ↑Wed May 31, 2023 10:04 am
Zenon wrote: ↑Wed May 31, 2023 9:12 am Yeah I'm fine being in F5 but imagine your the CW in very close wagons and the other wagon is a town and the behaviors around both wagons were weird. Learning if that was T v T or S v T is super beneficial.
No. We don't vote the CW for being the CW, we don't vote on policy, we vote the most likely wolf.
I'd rather vote a potential wolf in a eod game state that appears to points to a wolf wagon yay gives info than like vote some random
Can you summarize what you are saying here, I do not follow.

I think Rico is likely wolf

I think the wagon movements at EoD are common in connection to how I expect mass vote swapping would occur when a wolf is being wagoned

Kill the CW get info maybe kill a wolf this good

Ricochet wrote: ↑Wed May 31, 2023 11:08 am
Zenon wrote: ↑Wed May 31, 2023 11:01 am
Ricochet wrote: ↑Wed May 31, 2023 9:14 am
Zenon wrote: ↑Wed May 31, 2023 9:12 am Yeah I'm fine being in F5 but imagine your the CW in very close wagons and the other wagon is a town and the behaviors around both wagons were weird. Learning if that was T v T or S v T is super beneficial.
What do you gain from finding out my wagon was also on a mislynch path? Who will you solve f5 from it?

PSV could have self-pres’d into a tie with you, so why not apply the same with you?
Well mainly that Porscha moving off both wagons looks bad in a vacuum if it was T v T but I can also deign that wolves would scatter votes in that scenario
Well, I do go by the knowledge that it was T v T, since I am not wolf.

Scatter wolf votes among these wagons is already the likelier odds, unless the team would be Thunal / Zenon or Falcon / Roxy. Does either of these teams sound plausible to you - or general question.

Off wagon would be just Splints (who arguably voted very early and never moved) and Porscha.

But I don't know that. I can't spend time solving in this world because I need to see it for myself

Roxy wrote: ↑Wed May 31, 2023 11:07 am
Zenon wrote: ↑Wed May 31, 2023 11:04 am
Roxy wrote: ↑Wed May 31, 2023 9:16 am
Ricochet wrote: ↑Wed May 31, 2023 9:14 am
Zenon wrote: ↑Wed May 31, 2023 9:12 am Yeah I'm fine being in F5 but imagine your the CW in very close wagons and the other wagon is a town and the behaviors around both wagons were weird. Learning if that was T v T or S v T is super beneficial.
What do you gain from finding out my wagon was also on a mislynch path? Who will you solve f5 from it?

PSV could have self-pres’d into a tie with you, so why not apply the same with you?
I do agree with this thought as well. Zenon's elim would also "blow the game wide open".
What info do you gain when I flip town?
I was just using your logic and lingo against you. Why wouldn't we gain info?

Because the wagon movement around me was minimal compared to the 2 main wagons

Self doubt is back

Eh someone help

Zenon wrote: ↑Wed May 31, 2023 11:01 am
Ricochet wrote: ↑Wed May 31, 2023 9:14 am
Zenon wrote: ↑Wed May 31, 2023 9:12 am Yeah I'm fine being in F5 but imagine your the CW in very close wagons and the other wagon is a town and the behaviors around both wagons were weird. Learning if that was T v T or S v T is super beneficial.
What do you gain from finding out my wagon was also on a mislynch path? Who will you solve f5 from it?

PSV could have self-pres’d into a tie with you, so why not apply the same with you?
Well mainly that Porscha moving off both wagons looks bad in a vacuum if it was T v T but I can also deign that wolves would scatter votes in that scenario

I changed my mind on this after thinking about it more.

Good if it's rico

Ricochet wrote: ↑Wed May 31, 2023 10:24 am Cold feet or doubts 10-15 minutes before lynch time is not that uncommon.

It's weird, but I feel a move off wagon like this would rather be a dumb and unnecessary wolf move. PSV vote was cozy, sustained all day from Porscha, even with a few "maybe I'm wrong" in the mix.

People panic for any number of reasons. That same logic can apply here. I could have sat on porscha and not tried to convince you all that I've got a plan that benefits town.

I think Porscha looks bad if its T v T I think she looks guys if it's Rico wolf. Why am I wrong

Thunal33 wrote: ↑Wed May 31, 2023 10:21 am
Ricochet wrote: ↑Wed May 31, 2023 9:21 am I will note, though, if the decision is to flip both me and Zenon, in whatever order, and Zenon is town, the town is fraked.

We’re 7 left. Look into others. Look into everyone. There is time.
Yeah, I'm not at all convinced this helps town. I'm having doubts on Zenon now because her reasoning today boils down to just voting you for being the counterwagon and not even reconsidering or reevaluating based on the analysis you've given today.

I mean thread state points to this being the right play

Thunal33 wrote: ↑Wed May 31, 2023 10:04 am
Zenon wrote: ↑Wed May 31, 2023 9:12 am Yeah I'm fine being in F5 but imagine your the CW in very close wagons and the other wagon is a town and the behaviors around both wagons were weird. Learning if that was T v T or S v T is super beneficial.
No. We don't vote the CW for being the CW, we don't vote on policy, we vote the most likely wolf.

I'd rather vote a potential wolf in a eod game state that appears to points to a wolf wagon yay gives info than like vote some random

Roxy wrote: ↑Wed May 31, 2023 9:16 am
Ricochet wrote: ↑Wed May 31, 2023 9:14 am
Zenon wrote: ↑Wed May 31, 2023 9:12 am Yeah I'm fine being in F5 but imagine your the CW in very close wagons and the other wagon is a town and the behaviors around both wagons were weird. Learning if that was T v T or S v T is super beneficial.
What do you gain from finding out my wagon was also on a mislynch path? Who will you solve f5 from it?

PSV could have self-pres’d into a tie with you, so why not apply the same with you?
I do agree with this thought as well. Zenon's elim would also "blow the game wide open".

What info do you gain when I flip town?

Ricochet wrote: ↑Wed May 31, 2023 9:14 am
Zenon wrote: ↑Wed May 31, 2023 9:12 am Yeah I'm fine being in F5 but imagine your the CW in very close wagons and the other wagon is a town and the behaviors around both wagons were weird. Learning if that was T v T or S v T is super beneficial.
What do you gain from finding out my wagon was also on a mislynch path? Who will you solve f5 from it?

PSV could have self-pres’d into a tie with you, so why not apply the same with you?

Well mainly that Porscha moving off both wagons looks bad in a vacuum if it was T v T but I can also deign that wolves would scatter votes in that scenario

[VOTE: Rico,] aubergine

Money where my mouth is

Yeah I'm fine being in F5 but imagine your the CW in very close wagons and the other wagon is a town and the behaviors around both wagons were weird. Learning if that was T v T or S v T is super beneficial.

Potentially flipping Rico blows this game wide open

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