The Syndicate

Neon wrote: ↑Sun Mar 12, 2023 9:04 pm
hollowkatt wrote: ↑Sun Mar 12, 2023 9:00 pm
Neon wrote: ↑Sun Mar 12, 2023 8:41 pm
lucy wrote: ↑Sun Mar 12, 2023 8:18 pm
Neon wrote: ↑Sun Mar 12, 2023 8:15 pm Also you've now killed two players I've told you explicitly are obviously town 2 days in a row. So the people insulting my game to push towns that I've found are either scum or need to stop attacking my play when I've been right and you've been wrong thanks and good day.

Trust me I know since you're pushing obvious town Kate.
then where are da woofs?
Dennis Wilgy Lucy I dunno I'm there right now probably maybe.

LPP that's another one

hollowkatt wrote: ↑Sun Mar 12, 2023 9:00 pm
Neon wrote: ↑Sun Mar 12, 2023 8:41 pm
lucy wrote: ↑Sun Mar 12, 2023 8:18 pm
Neon wrote: ↑Sun Mar 12, 2023 8:15 pm Also you've now killed two players I've told you explicitly are obviously town 2 days in a row. So the people insulting my game to push towns that I've found are either scum or need to stop attacking my play when I've been right and you've been wrong thanks and good day.

Trust me I know since you're pushing obvious town Kate.
then where are da woofs?

Dennis Wilgy Lucy I dunno I'm there right now probably maybe.

RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Sun Mar 12, 2023 8:58 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Sat Mar 11, 2023 6:43 pm Both Kate and Jack have Chad in POE.

I just voted him to 3 and made him viable.

Jack moved away and Kate pretended not to notice.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sat Mar 11, 2023 6:51 pm
Kate wrote: ↑Sat Mar 11, 2023 6:49 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Sat Mar 11, 2023 6:42 pm
Kate wrote: ↑Sat Mar 11, 2023 6:40 pm How does it make any sense to mislynch a town when we could lynch a scumleaning independent??
How is Lucy scumleaning? She's solved well and her reads align with mine more than anyone's.
Just because you agree with her reads does NOT mean they are accurate. And she will flip on the town as soon as it's in her best interest to.
Kate.

If you continue to argue with bold faced logic I'll have no choice but to vig you.

Lucy having similar perspectives to me doesn't make their reads accurate but it means they are solving earnestly.

If we have a 3p solving earnestly. Who is as accurate as Lucy alongside me. Eliminating them benefits the mafia more than the town.

Treating them as town and letting them stomp wolves also encourages the mafia to shoot them.

I have already said all this.

As I was reading yesterday I came to Jack / Chad / Kate independent of Mac. Now Jack went over from lynch and chad was the night kill and Mac is dead. Its almost like they are trying to suppose that Kate is town and now Neon and Kate are pushing Lucy a 3P that has been townsiding from Mac's Pov. I am calling an audible Kate or Neon goes today. You decide. Mac wanted Kate. I am going Kate

Kate is town. Your PoE is literally all town and your using the rest of your PoE flipping town to push another town because we don't see how Lucy killing townies and behaving in her wolf meta is town siding.

G fucking G this town is doomed.

Flips don't include roles

lucy wrote: ↑Sun Mar 12, 2023 8:55 pm mac flipped vt

i had a chat with lpp/dunya

please reread d3 neon you are missing too much

Wait no they didn't this is role madness lol

Wtf

All players have a number of limited-use abilities. If a player has multiple abilities, they may only use one per phase, unless otherwise noted (mafia factional kills are separate).

lucy wrote: ↑Sun Mar 12, 2023 8:55 pm mac flipped vt

i had a chat with lpp/dunya

please reread d3 neon you are missing too much

Meh cool. I was right that he rescinded than lol.

hollowkatt wrote: ↑Sun Mar 12, 2023 8:50 pm
hollowkatt wrote: ↑Sun Mar 12, 2023 8:49 pm
sig wrote: ↑Sun Mar 12, 2023 7:35 pm @hollowkatt @Creature

2 questions

1. Why are you both on Wilgy

2 you both town read Dennis right? Going into D3 what are your thoughts on him and Kate
b/c my only memory of wigly is being super fluffy and aggressively non-participating.
oh yeah question 2. going into D3 I thought Dennis was town. His posting on D2 felt pretty good to me and I vibed with a lot of what he was saying. Kate otoh I don't particularly care about and if they die they die.

I feel the exact opposite lol

hollowkatt wrote: ↑Sun Mar 12, 2023 8:49 pm
sig wrote: ↑Sun Mar 12, 2023 7:35 pm @hollowkatt @Creature

2 questions

1. Why are you both on Wilgy

2 you both town read Dennis right? Going into D3 what are your thoughts on him and Kate
b/c my only memory of wigly is being super fluffy and aggressively non-participating.

Yeah I'm leaning Wilgy wolf too btw

Neon wrote: ↑Sun Mar 12, 2023 8:48 pm
sig wrote: ↑Sun Mar 12, 2023 8:34 pm
lucy wrote: ↑Sun Mar 12, 2023 8:28 pm
sig wrote: ↑Sun Mar 12, 2023 8:27 pm Switching to Katie l for the time being
1) how much scum hunting did kate do in ur night chat
2) how easily did she claim?
I’d say it was more floating rather than hunting we each had a POE that we discussed and she floated some LHF (falcon and DOOM) outside of those 2 we agreed on the rest.

She actually didn’t claim, but tried to get a claim from mac on who he was vigging, the weird part here is we agreed not to claim due to soup then she fished a bit more.

My biggest issue with her right now and why I moved onto her is she generally agreed on a POE including Dennis yet is voting for you.

Plus mac wanted her gone.

You don’t need to lead me to a Kate vote, once Mac flipped that made it very likely I’d be voting there. Are you trying to hint that you and Mac had a BTSC going
I might know who Mac vigged.

Although I thought Mac rescinded the vig claim in thread lol.

Anyways if Mac vigged me I killed him. I'll out that info lol. Would Mac have vigged me? No idea but it's a possibility.

lucy wrote: ↑Sun Mar 12, 2023 8:46 pm
Dennis wrote: ↑Thu Mar 09, 2023 9:41 pm
Kate wrote: ↑Thu Mar 09, 2023 9:38 pm
Dennis wrote: ↑Thu Mar 09, 2023 9:36 pm
lucy wrote: ↑Thu Mar 09, 2023 9:27 pm @Dennis what's ur mom read
Town lean, not slight but not a full on town read
Why not?
It's kinda like you were with me, there is just not a lot to go off of. I'm kinda comparing you to holes, where you were super obvi town D1 because of how involved you were (then the lizard struck). I expect to have you solved by the end of today tho, and I see that going civ.
@sig @Neon

i think this is textbook w/w

I think this is at best W/T

lucy wrote: ↑Sun Mar 12, 2023 8:44 pm
Dennis wrote: ↑Fri Mar 10, 2023 8:24 pm [VOTE: dunya] aubergine gave me some general weird feelings, never showed up again despite voting me for lack of engagement, and now that other people who know them better are sus I'm confident enough

Dennis wrote: ↑Fri Mar 10, 2023 10:49 pm @hollowkatt what makes dunya an obvious wolf to you? You've been preaching for a dunya kill for a while now.
@Neon i think these are extremely scummy posts

post 1 because the read and vote 1) is on town 2) he's not taking accountability by voting a lhf and referencing other peoples reads on her (strictly because she wasn't active at all). this makes it more probable she's voted out and just takes away any accountability/responsibility from the vote

post 2 because of what happens after the "?" where he states an obvious and unnecessary thing that hollow has been wanting to kill dunya, it just seems like fishing for a chop and the messages involve awkward and unnecessary reasoning

Multiple people pushed and voted Dunya yesterday. Why is this push the wolfy one.

And why are you convinced Dunya isn't a wolf now? Nothing that's happened in thread has convinced me that anything about that slot is definitelytown.

lucy wrote: ↑Sun Mar 12, 2023 8:37 pm
sig wrote: ↑Sun Mar 12, 2023 8:34 pm Are you trying to hint that you and Mac had a BTSC going
no it was a probabilistic argument, two of the strongest townies arriving at the same exact answer and thoughts drastically decrease the chance that we're wrong and boost the chance that we are correct

Tell that to jack.

sig wrote: ↑Sun Mar 12, 2023 8:34 pm
lucy wrote: ↑Sun Mar 12, 2023 8:28 pm
sig wrote: ↑Sun Mar 12, 2023 8:27 pm Switching to Katie l for the time being
1) how much scum hunting did kate do in ur night chat
2) how easily did she claim?
I’d say it was more floating rather than hunting we each had a POE that we discussed and she floated some LHF (falcon and DOOM) outside of those 2 we agreed on the rest.

She actually didn’t claim, but tried to get a claim from mac on who he was vigging, the weird part here is we agreed not to claim due to soup then she fished a bit more.

My biggest issue with her right now and why I moved onto her is she generally agreed on a POE including Dennis yet is voting for you.

Plus mac wanted her gone.

You don’t need to lead me to a Kate vote, once Mac flipped that made it very likely I’d be voting there. Are you trying to hint that you and Mac had a BTSC going

I might know who Mac vigged.

Although I thought Mac rescinded the vig claim in thread lol.

lucy wrote: ↑Sun Mar 12, 2023 8:30 pm
sig wrote: ↑Sun Mar 12, 2023 8:28 pm
lucy wrote: ↑Sun Mar 12, 2023 8:27 pm
sig wrote: ↑Sun Mar 12, 2023 8:24 pm Also I’m not a fan that she claimed a sock account that LPP also claimed?
me and le petite twink had a night chat, i thought it'd be funny to claim another sock

secondly don't you think it's odd that my d2 reads aligned with mac and we both pushed kate/dennis to oblivion in the night and came to the same conclusion independently

also yeah i plan to brutally case them and i assure you that you won't be alone
Odd in what sense? And cool.
in the sense two of the strongest townies in the game independently suspected the same two players

what are the odds 1) that we're both wrong 2) that because we both came to the same conclusion that there is in fact something there

Well so far... the odds are pretty great since you are both wrong yesterday and I'm pretty confident at least 1 of your pushes is town. Not positive but pretty fucking confident.

sig wrote: ↑Sun Mar 12, 2023 8:18 pm
Neon wrote: ↑Sun Mar 12, 2023 8:14 pm Chihiros info does exist but it simply doesn't clear Chihiro and I refused to out it because all it would do is harm another player. I will continue to refuse to out it unless necessary but there IS a reason why my reads list includes the town reads on the people involved in this action. I shouldn't need to out info that will inherently harm town I should be able to soft confirmation of your role without you attacking me and it does make me more wary of Chihiro because although it makes no sense to use the ability on me if Chihiro is scum it does feel like they could be pushing for info that will help scum through me

Chihiro is dead so yea no reason to out it unless it catches a mafia member 100%

It arguably catches a town maybe but like yeah I'm never outing it unless necessary.

I wouldn't have outed it yesterday no matter how many times I was asked to either.

Le petit poussin wrote: ↑Sun Mar 12, 2023 8:18 pm
Neon wrote: ↑Sun Mar 12, 2023 8:14 pm Chihiros info does exist but it simply doesn't clear Chihiro and I refused to out it because all it would do is harm another player. I will continue to refuse to out it unless necessary but there IS a reason why my reads list includes the town reads on the people involved in this action. I shouldn't need to out info that will inherently harm town I should be able to soft confirmation of your role without you attacking me and it does make me more wary of Chihiro because although it makes no sense to use the ability on me if Chihiro is scum it does feel like they could be pushing for info that will help scum through me
aren't them dead (flipped town)?

also how about we tackle the problem about lucy a different way? who are her partners? (I mean it's prolly best to focus on this now if you 100% believe she is scum, since you got your point through very clearly)

Well probably the people who are hard defending her as she murders town and than pushes more town... but like that's just a thought.

I don't do pairings I push my scum reads independently and wait for them to flip. Interactions are easy to fake anyways.

lucy wrote: ↑Sun Mar 12, 2023 8:18 pm
Neon wrote: ↑Sun Mar 12, 2023 8:15 pm Also you've now killed two players I've told you explicitly are obviously town 2 days in a row. So the people insulting my game to push towns that I've found are either scum or need to stop attacking my play when I've been right and you've been wrong thanks and good day.

Trust me I know since you're pushing obvious town Kate.

DaughterOfOmega wrote: ↑Sun Mar 12, 2023 8:17 pm
Neon wrote: ↑Sun Mar 12, 2023 8:14 pm Chihiros info does exist but it simply doesn't clear Chihiro and I refused to out it because all it would do is harm another player. I will continue to refuse to out it unless necessary but there IS a reason why my reads list includes the town reads on the people involved in this action. I shouldn't need to out info that will inherently harm town I should be able to soft confirmation of your role without you attacking me and it does make me more wary of Chihiro because although it makes no sense to use the ability on me if Chihiro is scum it does feel like they could be pushing for info that will help scum through me
Is this a troll post?

Yes. Orrrrr no. I wrote it over night and it involves info about how the info they gave me is potentially clearing for other people I'm town reading but yanno whatever ig.

Neon wrote: ↑Sun Mar 12, 2023 8:14 pm Chihiros info does exist but it simply doesn't clear Chihiro and I refused to out it because all it would do is harm another player. I will continue to refuse to out it unless necessary but there IS a reason why my reads list includes the town reads on the people involved in this action. I shouldn't need to out info that will inherently harm town I should be able to soft confirmation of your role without you attacking me and it does make me more wary of Chihiro because although it makes no sense to use the ability on me if Chihiro is scum it does feel like they could be pushing for info that will help scum through me

Just an FYI this was written over night lol

sig wrote: ↑Sun Mar 12, 2023 8:13 pm
Neon wrote: ↑Sun Mar 12, 2023 8:11 pm
sig wrote: ↑Sun Mar 12, 2023 6:04 pm Well ignore those points about Mac

@Neon please please please don’t burn your post count today
Good luck lol
Lol this is why I keep town reading you.

General thoughts though?

Iams who Iams

Dennis wrote: ↑Sun Mar 12, 2023 7:36 pm Hell lucy probably predicted me because who knows. Maybe she guessed me instead of Kate and lied or whatever. But she knows I get pissed off easy and then I look like a wolf that's mad at getting caught. All lucy has done here is laugh at me, say I outed myself and push my fucking buttons until I get angry. Like christ this happens every game and I am so tired of it. The one time I actually randed mafia I didn't even get caught is the funniest part. I'm done with this game for a while bye.

This post is actually bad lol

JDizz10 wrote: ↑Sun Mar 12, 2023 7:36 pm Can we kill Lucy already

Yes.

Dennis wrote: ↑Sun Mar 12, 2023 7:15 pm
Scrappy Doo wrote: ↑Sun Mar 12, 2023 7:01 pm
Dennis wrote: ↑Sun Mar 12, 2023 6:59 pm
Scrappy Doo wrote: ↑Sun Mar 12, 2023 6:56 pm
Dennis wrote: ↑Sun Mar 12, 2023 6:54 pm
Scrappy Doo wrote: ↑Sun Mar 12, 2023 6:52 pm my push on kate was just to see dennis defend her and that's been cleverly displayed where dennis hard defends his TOWNLEAN not TOWNREAD LMAO
If you look at the big annoying post I made there is a difference between "town" and "townlean" and "town" means "townread"
okay but my question is why have you consistently defended kate d1/2 while she's only a townlean and you're not confident she's town + there's doubt that she's town from your point of view
Cause I am confident she's town. There's always doubt from my point of view that someone is scum and that's why I always get called hedgy (see that one post you screenshotted where I said but like 400 times in goc) because I always have doubts. The doubt is smaller than most people this game.
ty for defending yourself, now it'll be fun to case you
Yah okay I'll just sit down and die instead

I'm too invested in this game to just let you push me so aggressively and completely drive the thread into a choice between me and kate. I don't think you're townsiding anymore.

*cough* She never was oh wow *cough*

sig wrote: ↑Sun Mar 12, 2023 7:08 pm
Le petit poussin wrote: ↑Sun Mar 12, 2023 7:04 pm
sig wrote: ↑Sun Mar 12, 2023 6:58 pm If creature, doom, LPP, and Rondo are all town that means neon has to be mafia.

I’m still town reading her, but I need to see more this phase
crea/DoOm are either ww or tt. I am leaning the later fwiw. (sheeping dunyas and mindmelding with some reads tbh)

Neon I only read the earlier stuff about scrappy, needs to read
Neon was town to me for tone mainly, but since then she used her entire post count within literally the first maybe 6 hours fighting with CR for day 2 and hasn’t done a lot (or any) scum hunting.

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Oh no I post capped clearly ignore my content and call me scum for this very bad reason.

Ignore that I post cap more as town than wolf lol

lucy wrote: ↑Sun Mar 12, 2023 7:07 pm
Kate wrote: ↑Sun Mar 12, 2023 7:04 pm
Scrappy Doo wrote: ↑Sun Mar 12, 2023 6:57 pm
Kate wrote: ↑Sun Mar 12, 2023 6:52 pm I'm not wasting all of my posts on you
can you point me to some posts that you didn't waste on me/dennis

your focus is extraordinarily small and explicitly on me, i don't know if you scumread anyone or have tried to fucking suspect mafia lmao

why are you trying to kill third party and have stopped solving for mafia entirely?
I spent all night trying to do that. And you are gonna just hijack the thread again and have everyone fall in line. I'd love to hear even one person who knows me say I'm anywhere near my wold meta. And why haven't I found a wolf??? Why haven't you? Why hasn't anybody?? That's just silly.
i have 3 votes and petite twink and petite twink (sig) make 5

of course i'm hijacking the thread in the exact way i do as town

out your mech and enjoy my tunnel

the fun part is that my reads were exactly the same as mac's which drastically destroys your credibility since we're both scary as they come in the town alignment

enlighten me on your wolfreads in the night

You literally killed obv town jack with shit logic in a role madness game where CWs never need to be killed. And despite others finding him town.

You and Mac aren't scary this game your PoE sucks and your desire to control the thread and slaughter anyone who doesn't play follow the fucking leader silencing any thought that isn't your own is how town loses this game. You should be listening to others not blindly yelling constantly to everyone that you are a mafia God who everyone must follow and you and Mac can never be wrong.

Frankly and quite clearly that is not true you and Mac have been wrong and pushed town while refusing to read them. If you are trying to downside than play a leader but a dictator because others are telling you shit and you just continue to push without listening and that's how town kills town.

sig wrote: ↑Sun Mar 12, 2023 6:41 pm
Le petit poussin wrote: ↑Sun Mar 12, 2023 6:32 pm
sig wrote: ↑Sun Mar 12, 2023 6:27 pm
Le petit poussin wrote: ↑Sun Mar 12, 2023 6:26 pm
sig wrote: ↑Sun Mar 12, 2023 6:22 pm
Le petit poussin wrote: ↑Sun Mar 12, 2023 6:18 pm Sup, taking over dunya's slot
Hey, I’d recommend a quick browse. Skip the Lucy/third party drama, skip the neon/CR fight, major focus around the EOD/second part of D2 and eod of D1
Tx. I have read dunya, Dennis, Seanzie, and part of HK. Was going through it when I realised this was starting one hour earlier than expected.

I have a few read I won't disclose rn.

Nice early solving energy. That’s a big civ point for use
lolol. can u give me ur stance on lucy/scrappy? has it evolved?

Yea so pre knowing it was Lucy I was good to see the slot get voted off. That’s mainly since Scrappy was only kind of town siding.

I figured out through Scrappys post that she was Lucy fairly early into D1, that eased a lot of tension for 2 reasons

1. We can vote off Lucy if she scum sides which will remove the threat

2. She was actually civ siding to a degree

I also think mafia are using that wagon to keep distracting people.

Right now Lucy was annoying me a tiny bit last phase, but after she got active again and talking with Mac I’m good to leave her alive.

Especially with her only needing one kill left to win. I’d say she should pick within the POE for tomorrow and we’ll be good to go. I also think there was a mafia member on her wagon last phase

Bruh...

Scrappy Doo wrote: ↑Sun Mar 12, 2023 6:34 pm
sig wrote: ↑Sun Mar 12, 2023 6:29 pm So my biggest issue with the Kate sudden push is it’s right after Mac died. I don’t want to get too paranoid here, but it makes sense to try and swing town to a third party right now.

@lucy /@Scrappy Doo why did you decide to go with Kate today vs another wagon/POE
i predicted that mac would die in the night and i think that kate is the second scumimest person in the list and i think that i have great odds of successfully pushing that chop

however i didn't pick her

Lucy has literally only pushed town...
Seriously my guys. Claiming 3P doesn't make the player less likely to be scum.

Also you've now killed two players I've told you explicitly are obviously town 2 days in a row. So the people insulting my game to push towns that I've found are either scum or need to stop attacking my play when I've been right and you've been wrong thanks and good day.

Chihiros info does exist but it simply doesn't clear Chihiro and I refused to out it because all it would do is harm another player. I will continue to refuse to out it unless necessary but there IS a reason why my reads list includes the town reads on the people involved in this action. I shouldn't need to out info that will inherently harm town I should be able to soft confirmation of your role without you attacking me and it does make me more wary of Chihiro because although it makes no sense to use the ability on me if Chihiro is scum it does feel like they could be pushing for info that will help scum through me

Lucy is not town siding. Lucy has pushed her targets irregardless of their behavior. She has refused to reevaluate slots based on their content focusing solely on arguments to push slots ignoring their towny behavior. Jack was clearly town and Lucy did not ever move past the concept of flipping the CW which is a concept she has never espoused belief in as long as I've played with her. Town Lucy also has never treated anyone the way she has this game when pushed. Town Lucy doesn't threaten to hold the game hostage because she's pushed. Lily has pushed Lucy D1 before wrongfully and Lucy has responded positively and moved to improve her content in game. She did not hold the thread hostage and threaten to take her ball and go home.

Scrappy Doo wrote: ↑Sun Mar 12, 2023 6:03 pm @Dennis sorry to inform you but kate is scum

Wrong woofy woof.

sig wrote: ↑Sun Mar 12, 2023 6:04 pm Well ignore those points about Mac

@Neon please please please don’t burn your post count today

Good luck lol

Dennis wrote: ↑Fri Mar 10, 2023 12:29 am @Neon your vote is on yourself?

I'm aware

Lucy is wolf. Scrappy should die. CRich is wolf.

Remember me.

0 2 cap. See y'all next game day. I'll be keeping up on thread and moving my vote.

Chihiro wrote: ↑Fri Mar 10, 2023 12:27 am I wanna point out if yall are both town, it is extremely scummy letting yourselves hit post cap.

That's fine I don't really care I will 80 cap early every day *shrugs* Iams who Iams

1 2 cap

Tutuu cap

This post is really funny and I had to make it sorry.

CRichard wrote: ↑Fri Mar 10, 2023 12:21 am Neon is still howling today. I want them eliminated today if we somehow believe Jack is town.
Kate is also outed mafia too.

Well good thing you aren't a town leader than huh.

Use one of your remaining posts to explain what you're gonna do when I flip town and how it changes your world view

3 2 cap

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Fri Mar 10, 2023 12:22 am Omg we actually had a debate about an unclaimed hypothetical investigative green on me being reverse framered. Mod, I love role madness.

It was a pretty awful take 4 2 cap

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Fri Mar 10, 2023 12:20 am I would super appreciate if both Neon and CR saved a handful of posts for EOD. Especially because ya'll are relatively large suspects for a number of players (behind me probably but above most others) and I super do not want to see a wagon on one of ya'll that you can't address at EOD and then you just get yeeted.

This is more at CR and more specifically at a town CR because a wolf CR can just die whatevs.

I can assure you I'm not going to do that *shrugs*

5 2 cap

lucy - scum o.o
Kate - town
Neon - town
Dennis - town
Chihiro - town
Jackofhearts2005 - town
Roxy - woofy
Creature - town
sig - towny
DrWilgy - towny
CRichard - woof
falcon45ca - town
JDizz10 - woofy
DaughterOfOmega - towny
fingersplints - posts / hollowkat - town
dunya - woof

This reads list is either real or fake.

6 2 cap

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Fri Mar 10, 2023 12:15 am
Neon wrote: ↑Fri Mar 10, 2023 12:07 am
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Fri Mar 10, 2023 12:06 am
Neon wrote: ↑Fri Mar 10, 2023 12:02 am
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Fri Mar 10, 2023 12:00 am
hollowkatt wrote: ↑Thu Mar 09, 2023 7:04 pm
CRichard wrote: ↑Wed Mar 08, 2023 6:55 pm Hmm I'd rather not tie this. Jack seems more helpful alive if they're town than Seanzie.
[VOTE: crichard] aubergine

explain

also @Scotty put me in a bucket I wanna ride

also also @Jackofhearts2005 explain the seanzie sus plx. I know I can re-read the thread but I don't wanna
He wasn't being his normal townie self. All his pushes were limp in addition to low activity. Apparently, the later was because he was on a work trip or something? Ildk what was up with the former.

I also misinterpreted a joke which I still don't understand. Seanzie was like "Jay said my win record is really good on discord so I'm excited to get another win." And like if the joke is "I think I am very good jk I'm not actually vain" then okay, har har I guess but otherwise, I'm not sure what the joke was. Anyway, I took this as him actually saying that he was at least excited to go hunt wolves....and then he did no real hunting. So I took that joke or whatever to be false bravado coming from a wolf.

I was not super sure Seanzie was mafia until his wagon took off near EOD. At that point, CR, who had called out Seanzie early but his push was pretty weak, said that multiple players were shielding Seanzie, effectively poopooing the Seanzie wagon. While I didn't totally catch up, I only found one post from one player pushing back on Seanzie pressure. Then the Seanzie wagon took off and the Jack wagon dissipated and CR was like "I am now certain Seanzie is mafia." So I interpreted this as a wolf (CR) distancing early from his partner (Seanzie) and then indirectly and dishonestly defending that partner by overstating the amount other players were shielding his partner (still Seanzie) to scare me and others away from that wagon before settling on a bus by saying that he was now sure his partner was mafia.

At the same time, Pyxxy, who seemed to initially townread me, was pushing hard on me for reasons I'm not aware of. Granted, I'm missing like 6 pages of content from the middle of D1 but from my perspective, as soon as my town wagon got smaller and as soon as this wolf wagon (Seanzie's) started taking off, Pyxxy started hard pushing me for entirely unstated reasons. I still don't know why Pyxxy decided I was mafia. You can go back and check this. He didn't say in the last 5 or so pages of D1.

So in summary, Seanzie was not playing in his normal town meta and two players were playing very weirdly around Seanzie fmpov. So he looked a lot like a wolf.

Also, I started tallying up a lot of independent townreads as the day drew to a close (Creature, Dunya, Sig, Kate, Lucy) and Kate was semivouching for Roxy and Dennis (I don't want to put words in her mouth but she was pushing back against pushes at them) so if I believe my townreads and I'm willing to trust Kate and give Roxy and Dennis a pass (not that I really suspected either of them but they were in that range of players I'd be okay with yeeting if we didn't have any better ideas ya know), then there weren't a lot of places for wolves to hide so my overall view of the game really fit well with a Seanzie/CR/Pyxxy wolfteam.

@Neon wanted a recap of this too, iirc.
My meta of Seanzie is hard tunnels low effort light posting... basically everything they hit on yesterday.

Do you disagree with that?
But Seanzie normally seems to believe his tunnels or do interesting things with the reactions to them. And often as the day will draw to a close, if his favored wagon isn't viable, he'll evaluate the rest of the game and come up with a good place for his vote (defined as a place town me agrees with, not necessarily on an actual wolf). None of this happened in this game.
This is true. We agree
But do you not think Seanzie fully believed in their tunnel on me?
Tbh, I thought the reasoning was super weak.

For believing I was wolf? Fair it was but like... my experience with Seanzie is that I rarely think the reasons they tunnel are like things that make sense to me

7 2 cap

Dennis wrote: ↑Fri Mar 10, 2023 12:14 am
Neon wrote: ↑Fri Mar 10, 2023 12:09 am Wheeeeee 10 posts left
Why would you spend a post to announce this?

Don't.. answer that.

Wheeeeeee 8 posts left

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Fri Mar 10, 2023 12:13 am
Neon wrote: ↑Fri Mar 10, 2023 12:08 am
CRichard wrote: ↑Fri Mar 10, 2023 12:06 am
Neon wrote: ↑Fri Mar 10, 2023 12:01 am CR if you are town your conf bias is extending beyond reasonable and logically correct points of argument.
And this is the post you make after taking a break from crying in wolf chat?
Come on, this is ridiculous.
Congrats on once again wasting one of your 11 remaining posts on pointless shade of me when I've extended an olive branch.
CRichard burned all but 10 of his posts before the player he's voting for has really shown up, five hours into a forty eight hour day?

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Yeah it's a pretty effective wolf strategy. People forget about you if you can't post.

Ignore that I'm 9 posts from cap and saying this I totally always lowpost as wolf.

Wheeeeee 10 posts left

lucy wrote: ↑Fri Mar 10, 2023 12:07 am
Neon wrote: ↑Fri Mar 10, 2023 12:06 am
CRichard wrote: ↑Fri Mar 10, 2023 12:02 am
Neon wrote: ↑Thu Mar 09, 2023 11:59 pm
CRichard wrote: ↑Thu Mar 09, 2023 11:56 pm
Neon wrote: ↑Thu Mar 09, 2023 11:35 pm
Dennis wrote: ↑Thu Mar 09, 2023 11:33 pm

What is the difference between role madness and mountainous? Like why would it be optimal in mountainous but not role madness?
Everyone has a power in role madness

Literally nobody has a power in mountainous

In mountainous you only get info through flips.

In role madness any investigative worth their salt was on jack last night.
And it never crossed your mind that we might have framer/tailor, who would logically go on the CW to a flipped townie when town investigatives are expected to go there?
If you're town and you posted something this asinine, I'll be extremely disappointed in you.
This take is so bad... so so bad.

I can't even.
And it never even crossed your mind that mafia might have framer/tailor huh?
Sure, call my take bad. Don't kid yourself into thinking that I don't have a point either of them might exist assuming it's a rolemadness game.
You literally don't have a point. There is zero reason to believe that mafia has either of these roles.

You have basically set up worlds for you to always be correct even if and when you are incorrect.

You have basically attempted here to create fear in town that we can't trust the flips. Which actually is hilarious because like the whole thing you've been arguing is that we need to flip jack for wagonomics info but now that I've presented you a reason why that's untrue you are basically like "what don't you know that the info is probably a lie anyways"

How is this townie?
he is confirmation biased as fuck and it's very clearly a townie who's making those arguments

you are both town

Explain why a wolf wouldn't detail the thread sow confusion and chaps spread false information and try to create fear in town?

CRichard wrote: ↑Fri Mar 10, 2023 12:06 am
Neon wrote: ↑Fri Mar 10, 2023 12:01 am CR if you are town your conf bias is extending beyond reasonable and logically correct points of argument.
And this is the post you make after taking a break from crying in wolf chat?
Come on, this is ridiculous.

Congrats on once again wasting one of your 11 remaining posts on pointless shade of me when I've extended an olive branch.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Fri Mar 10, 2023 12:06 am
Neon wrote: ↑Fri Mar 10, 2023 12:02 am
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Fri Mar 10, 2023 12:00 am
hollowkatt wrote: ↑Thu Mar 09, 2023 7:04 pm
CRichard wrote: ↑Wed Mar 08, 2023 6:55 pm Hmm I'd rather not tie this. Jack seems more helpful alive if they're town than Seanzie.
[VOTE: crichard] aubergine

explain

also @Scotty put me in a bucket I wanna ride

also also @Jackofhearts2005 explain the seanzie sus plx. I know I can re-read the thread but I don't wanna
He wasn't being his normal townie self. All his pushes were limp in addition to low activity. Apparently, the later was because he was on a work trip or something? Ildk what was up with the former.

I also misinterpreted a joke which I still don't understand. Seanzie was like "Jay said my win record is really good on discord so I'm excited to get another win." And like if the joke is "I think I am very good jk I'm not actually vain" then okay, har har I guess but otherwise, I'm not sure what the joke was. Anyway, I took this as him actually saying that he was at least excited to go hunt wolves....and then he did no real hunting. So I took that joke or whatever to be false bravado coming from a wolf.

I was not super sure Seanzie was mafia until his wagon took off near EOD. At that point, CR, who had called out Seanzie early but his push was pretty weak, said that multiple players were shielding Seanzie, effectively poopooing the Seanzie wagon. While I didn't totally catch up, I only found one post from one player pushing back on Seanzie pressure. Then the Seanzie wagon took off and the Jack wagon dissipated and CR was like "I am now certain Seanzie is mafia." So I interpreted this as a wolf (CR) distancing early from his partner (Seanzie) and then indirectly and dishonestly defending that partner by overstating the amount other players were shielding his partner (still Seanzie) to scare me and others away from that wagon before settling on a bus by saying that he was now sure his partner was mafia.

At the same time, Pyxxy, who seemed to initially townread me, was pushing hard on me for reasons I'm not aware of. Granted, I'm missing like 6 pages of content from the middle of D1 but from my perspective, as soon as my town wagon got smaller and as soon as this wolf wagon (Seanzie's) started taking off, Pyxxy started hard pushing me for entirely unstated reasons. I still don't know why Pyxxy decided I was mafia. You can go back and check this. He didn't say in the last 5 or so pages of D1.

So in summary, Seanzie was not playing in his normal town meta and two players were playing very weirdly around Seanzie fmpov. So he looked a lot like a wolf.

Also, I started tallying up a lot of independent townreads as the day drew to a close (Creature, Dunya, Sig, Kate, Lucy) and Kate was semivouching for Roxy and Dennis (I don't want to put words in her mouth but she was pushing back against pushes at them) so if I believe my townreads and I'm willing to trust Kate and give Roxy and Dennis a pass (not that I really suspected either of them but they were in that range of players I'd be okay with yeeting if we didn't have any better ideas ya know), then there weren't a lot of places for wolves to hide so my overall view of the game really fit well with a Seanzie/CR/Pyxxy wolfteam.

@Neon wanted a recap of this too, iirc.
My meta of Seanzie is hard tunnels low effort light posting... basically everything they hit on yesterday.

Do you disagree with that?
But Seanzie normally seems to believe his tunnels or do interesting things with the reactions to them. And often as the day will draw to a close, if his favored wagon isn't viable, he'll evaluate the rest of the game and come up with a good place for his vote (defined as a place town me agrees with, not necessarily on an actual wolf). None of this happened in this game.

This is true. We agree
But do you not think Seanzie fully believed in their tunnel on me?

CRichard wrote: ↑Fri Mar 10, 2023 12:02 am
Neon wrote: ↑Thu Mar 09, 2023 11:59 pm
CRichard wrote: ↑Thu Mar 09, 2023 11:56 pm
Neon wrote: ↑Thu Mar 09, 2023 11:35 pm
Dennis wrote: ↑Thu Mar 09, 2023 11:33 pm
Neon wrote: ↑Thu Mar 09, 2023 11:00 pm
CRichard wrote: ↑Thu Mar 09, 2023 10:49 pm

It's no where near as bad taste as trying to get me killed over the CW to a flipped townie EoD1.
If you want to lecture me on that, this is not the time to do so.
I can not express this enough.

YOU DO NOT NEED TO FLIP THE CW IN A ROLE MADNESS THIS IS NOT MOUNTAINOUS SO TRY READING THE SLOT AND NOT PUSHING UNNECESSARY "OPTIMAL" PLAYS
What is the difference between role madness and mountainous? Like why would it be optimal in mountainous but not role madness?
Everyone has a power in role madness

Literally nobody has a power in mountainous

In mountainous you only get info through flips.

In role madness any investigative worth their salt was on jack last night.
And it never crossed your mind that we might have framer/tailor, who would logically go on the CW to a flipped townie when town investigatives are expected to go there?
If you're town and you posted something this asinine, I'll be extremely disappointed in you.
This take is so bad... so so bad.

I can't even.
And it never even crossed your mind that mafia might have framer/tailor huh?
Sure, call my take bad. Don't kid yourself into thinking that I don't have a point either of them might exist assuming it's a rolemadness game.

You literally don't have a point. There is zero reason to believe that mafia has either of these roles.

You have basically set up worlds for you to always be correct even if and when you are incorrect.

You have basically attempted here to create fear in town that we can't trust the flips. Which actually is hilarious because like the whole thing you've been arguing is that we need to flip jack for wagonomics info but now that I've presented you a reason why that's untrue you are basically like "what don't you know that the info is probably a lie anyways"

How is this townie?

Neon wrote: ↑Fri Mar 10, 2023 12:02 am
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Fri Mar 10, 2023 12:00 am
hollowkatt wrote: ↑Thu Mar 09, 2023 7:04 pm
CRichard wrote: ↑Wed Mar 08, 2023 6:55 pm Hmm I'd rather not tie this. Jack seems more helpful alive if they're town than Seanzie.
[VOTE: crichard] aubergine

explain

also @Scotty put me in a bucket I wanna ride

also also @Jackofhearts2005 explain the seanzie sus plx. I know I can re-read the thread but I don't wanna
He wasn't being his normal townie self. All his pushes were limp in addition to low activity. Apparently, the later was because he was on a work trip or something? Ildk what was up with the former.

I also misinterpreted a joke which I still don't understand. Seanzie was like "Jay said my win record is really good on discord so I'm excited to get another win." And like if the joke is "I think I am very good jk I'm not actually vain" then okay, har har I guess but otherwise, I'm not sure what the joke was. Anyway, I took this as him actually saying that he was at least excited to go hunt wolves....and then he did no real hunting. So I took that joke or whatever to be false bravado coming from a wolf.

I was not super sure Seanzie was mafia until his wagon took off near EOD. At that point, CR, who had called out Seanzie early but his push was pretty weak, said that multiple players were shielding Seanzie, effectively poopooing the Seanzie wagon. While I didn't totally catch up, I only found one post from one player pushing back on Seanzie pressure. Then the Seanzie wagon took off and the Jack wagon dissipated and CR was like "I am now certain Seanzie is mafia." So I interpreted this as a wolf (CR) distancing early from his partner (Seanzie) and then indirectly and dishonestly defending that partner by overstating the amount other players were shielding his partner (still Seanzie) to scare me and others away from that wagon before settling on a bus by saying that he was now sure his partner was mafia.

At the same time, Pyxxy, who seemed to initially townread me, was pushing hard on me for reasons I'm not aware of. Granted, I'm missing like 6 pages of content from the middle of D1 but from my perspective, as soon as my town wagon got smaller and as soon as this wolf wagon (Seanzie's) started taking off, Pyxxy started hard pushing me for entirely unstated reasons. I still don't know why Pyxxy decided I was mafia. You can go back and check this. He didn't say in the last 5 or so pages of D1.

So in summary, Seanzie was not playing in his normal town meta and two players were playing very weirdly around Seanzie fmpov. So he looked a lot like a wolf.

Also, I started tallying up a lot of independent townreads as the day drew to a close (Creature, Dunya, Sig, Kate, Lucy) and Kate was semivouching for Roxy and Dennis (I don't want to put words in her mouth but she was pushing back against pushes at them) so if I believe my townreads and I'm willing to trust Kate and give Roxy and Dennis a pass (not that I really suspected either of them but they were in that range of players I'd be okay with yeeting if we didn't have any better ideas ya know), then there weren't a lot of places for wolves to hide so my overall view of the game really fit well with a Seanzie/CR/Pyxxy wolfteam.

@Neon wanted a recap of this too, iirc.
My meta of Seanzie is hard tunnels low effort light posting... basically everything they hit on yesterday.

Do you disagree with that?

Low effort in terms of they will just keep saying their tunnel is mafia without ever expanding upon it

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Fri Mar 10, 2023 12:00 am
hollowkatt wrote: ↑Thu Mar 09, 2023 7:04 pm
CRichard wrote: ↑Wed Mar 08, 2023 6:55 pm Hmm I'd rather not tie this. Jack seems more helpful alive if they're town than Seanzie.
[VOTE: crichard] aubergine

explain

also @Scotty put me in a bucket I wanna ride

also also @Jackofhearts2005 explain the seanzie sus plx. I know I can re-read the thread but I don't wanna
He wasn't being his normal townie self. All his pushes were limp in addition to low activity. Apparently, the later was because he was on a work trip or something? Ildk what was up with the former.

I also misinterpreted a joke which I still don't understand. Seanzie was like "Jay said my win record is really good on discord so I'm excited to get another win." And like if the joke is "I think I am very good jk I'm not actually vain" then okay, har har I guess but otherwise, I'm not sure what the joke was. Anyway, I took this as him actually saying that he was at least excited to go hunt wolves....and then he did no real hunting. So I took that joke or whatever to be false bravado coming from a wolf.

I was not super sure Seanzie was mafia until his wagon took off near EOD. At that point, CR, who had called out Seanzie early but his push was pretty weak, said that multiple players were shielding Seanzie, effectively poopooing the Seanzie wagon. While I didn't totally catch up, I only found one post from one player pushing back on Seanzie pressure. Then the Seanzie wagon took off and the Jack wagon dissipated and CR was like "I am now certain Seanzie is mafia." So I interpreted this as a wolf (CR) distancing early from his partner (Seanzie) and then indirectly and dishonestly defending that partner by overstating the amount other players were shielding his partner (still Seanzie) to scare me and others away from that wagon before settling on a bus by saying that he was now sure his partner was mafia.

At the same time, Pyxxy, who seemed to initially townread me, was pushing hard on me for reasons I'm not aware of. Granted, I'm missing like 6 pages of content from the middle of D1 but from my perspective, as soon as my town wagon got smaller and as soon as this wolf wagon (Seanzie's) started taking off, Pyxxy started hard pushing me for entirely unstated reasons. I still don't know why Pyxxy decided I was mafia. You can go back and check this. He didn't say in the last 5 or so pages of D1.

So in summary, Seanzie was not playing in his normal town meta and two players were playing very weirdly around Seanzie fmpov. So he looked a lot like a wolf.

Also, I started tallying up a lot of independent townreads as the day drew to a close (Creature, Dunya, Sig, Kate, Lucy) and Kate was semivouching for Roxy and Dennis (I don't want to put words in her mouth but she was pushing back against pushes at them) so if I believe my townreads and I'm willing to trust Kate and give Roxy and Dennis a pass (not that I really suspected either of them but they were in that range of players I'd be okay with yeeting if we didn't have any better ideas ya know), then there weren't a lot of places for wolves to hide so my overall view of the game really fit well with a Seanzie/CR/Pyxxy wolfteam.

@Neon wanted a recap of this too, iirc.

My meta of Seanzie is hard tunnels low effort light posting... basically everything they hit on yesterday.

Do you disagree with that?

lucy wrote: ↑Fri Mar 10, 2023 12:00 am
Neon wrote: ↑Thu Mar 09, 2023 11:59 pm
CRichard wrote: ↑Thu Mar 09, 2023 11:56 pm
Neon wrote: ↑Thu Mar 09, 2023 11:35 pm
Dennis wrote: ↑Thu Mar 09, 2023 11:33 pm
Neon wrote: ↑Thu Mar 09, 2023 11:00 pm
CRichard wrote: ↑Thu Mar 09, 2023 10:49 pm

It's no where near as bad taste as trying to get me killed over the CW to a flipped townie EoD1.
If you want to lecture me on that, this is not the time to do so.
I can not express this enough.

YOU DO NOT NEED TO FLIP THE CW IN A ROLE MADNESS THIS IS NOT MOUNTAINOUS SO TRY READING THE SLOT AND NOT PUSHING UNNECESSARY "OPTIMAL" PLAYS
What is the difference between role madness and mountainous? Like why would it be optimal in mountainous but not role madness?
Everyone has a power in role madness

Literally nobody has a power in mountainous

In mountainous you only get info through flips.

In role madness any investigative worth their salt was on jack last night.
And it never crossed your mind that we might have framer/tailor, who would logically go on the CW to a flipped townie when town investigatives are expected to go there?
If you're town and you posted something this asinine, I'll be extremely disappointed in you.
This take is so bad... so so bad.

I can't even.
it's confirmation biased town, it's not mafia

do you see that yet?

No. I think it can be either.

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