The Syndicate

Guillotine wrote: ↑Tue Jul 25, 2023 8:04 pm @Zenon explain

Seanzie wrote: ↑Mon Jul 24, 2023 6:59 pm

Zenon wrote: ↑Mon Jul 24, 2023 6:57 pm

Seanzie wrote: ↑Mon Jul 24, 2023 6:52 pm

Guillotine wrote: ↑Mon Jul 24, 2023 6:50 pm What are you guys doing?

Zenon IMO has not actually tried to find me at all. I've tried to reach out to them, but they deflect or find ways to talk past me (at least it feels like it to me).

Also, normally Zenon is uncertain about her scumreads, but here she seems just dead-set on pushing who she wants to push, and shows no hesitation.

I don't have any reason to townread her. Volume? Nah. AtE? Nah. Self-voting? No.

I don't think her reads are good, and if I'm wrong I'd rather know sooner. She actually isn't a bad flip here IMO, even though I do kinda doubt she'll go over.

It's really frustrating to be told this when I'm trying

Sorry I don't understand you

I don't want to frustrate you, so sorry for that, but I am allowed to have opinions about your play that lead make to make conclusions about your alignment.

Epignosis wrote: ↑Mon Jul 24, 2023 6:59 pm [VOTE: Zenon] aubergine

Now you can have your precious non-depressing personal chat with your friend Rem.

See ya.

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Mon Jul 24, 2023 6:56 pm

Zenon wrote: ↑Mon Jul 24, 2023 6:55 pm @Rem please don't die I need you here... for my sanity

Everyone is being so depresso

Is your read on Rem based off intangibles, or is are there specific things you can point to?

Seanzie wrote: ↑Mon Jul 24, 2023 6:52 pm

Guillotine wrote: ↑Mon Jul 24, 2023 6:50 pm What are you guys doing?

Zenon IMO has not actually tried to find me at all. I've tried to reach out to them, but they deflect or find ways to talk past me (at least it feels like it to me).

Also, normally Zenon is uncertain about her scumreads, but here she seems just dead-set on pushing who she wants to push, and shows no hesitation.

I don't have any reason to townread her. Volume? Nah. AtE? Nah. Self-voting? No.

I don't think her reads are good, and if I'm wrong I'd rather know sooner. She actually isn't a bad flip here IMO, even though I do kinda doubt she'll go over.

Epignosis wrote: ↑Mon Jul 24, 2023 6:50 pm

Rem wrote: ↑Mon Jul 24, 2023 6:48 pm this zenon wagon is cringe

[VOTE: Rem] aubergine

Rem wrote: ↑Mon Jul 24, 2023 6:48 pm this zenon wagon is cringe

Seanzie wrote: ↑Mon Jul 24, 2023 6:43 pm Is it bad that I kinda want to vote Zenon?

Seanzie wrote: ↑Mon Jul 24, 2023 6:39 pm

Zenon wrote: ↑Mon Jul 24, 2023 6:36 pm

Seanzie wrote: ↑Mon Jul 24, 2023 6:15 pm

Seanzie wrote: ↑Mon Jul 24, 2023 6:15 pm Yeah, wow. When voting Wilgy the knot in my stomach doesn't feel so bad.

That's a good sign.

Like idk, today has kinda shattered my confidence in this whole game, but everything was feeling just way off, and this feels way better.

I don't know why confidence needs to be shattered

I don't know why everyone this game feels like they need to tear everything down and make everything so gloomy doomy.

You literally came in here calling the threadstate trash, blaming me for it. Then this.

No.

Please step back and consider my perspective for just a little bit here.

Seanzie wrote: ↑Mon Jul 24, 2023 6:33 pm

Zenon wrote: ↑Mon Jul 24, 2023 6:32 pm

Guillotine wrote: ↑Mon Jul 24, 2023 5:59 pm

Zenon wrote: ↑Mon Jul 24, 2023 5:53 pm

Guillotine wrote: ↑Mon Jul 24, 2023 5:47 pm Zenon, how come you were 100% spot on about Rem being town in those games you linked.

What is the secret?

I read games weird. I read and pick up on things nobody else does and than get told I'm stupid and I'm wrong and I am reading things that are meaningless when I talk about them and than I get ignored and than those people flip town and people look at me and try to explain away my success.

Mac is one of the only players who has accurately pinpointed that I read things it looks like tmi it makes no sense but I have high accuracy.

So what is it? I read around intent, emotion, vibes, whatever I have explained this I have explained that I believe that Rems vibes were pure that she was not lying about being disappointed with her rand and this game until seeing me.

That is how I read the game. And than I try to look at things and go does this make sense as wolf? Does it make sense as town?

Why why not what makes more sense


My read accuracy on town reads is >rand I'm not 100% nobody is but I will always believe in my town reads.

Ok i believe you but again you must understand that to get other townies on board of what tou believe, you must show evidence that Rem is town.
Vibes are not gonna cut it, they are only good for post game bragging “yeeeeeah i was right about so and so”, we've all done it, im a cred hog myself but to get town behind you, you must show us what you see, quotes, posts etc.

I've said what I can say I've tried to convince. I don't build giant cases I don't iso but I've explained my reasons they are there to judge and decide.

Your ISO is 8 pages. It makes it unreasonably hard to find anything in there. It isn't unreasonable for links to previous posts or a tldr in that case.

Seanzie wrote: ↑Mon Jul 24, 2023 6:15 pm

Seanzie wrote: ↑Mon Jul 24, 2023 6:15 pm Yeah, wow. When voting Wilgy the knot in my stomach doesn't feel so bad.

That's a good sign.

Like idk, today has kinda shattered my confidence in this whole game, but everything was feeling just way off, and this feels way better.

Seanzie wrote: ↑Mon Jul 24, 2023 6:12 pm @Zenon @Guillotine care for a Wilgy wagon?

Seanzie wrote: ↑Mon Jul 24, 2023 6:06 pm

Zenon wrote: ↑Mon Jul 24, 2023 5:56 pm

Seanzie wrote: ↑Mon Jul 24, 2023 5:54 pm

Zenon wrote: ↑Mon Jul 24, 2023 5:48 pm

Seanzie wrote: ↑Mon Jul 24, 2023 5:39 pm

Zenon wrote: ↑Mon Jul 24, 2023 5:38 pm

Seanzie wrote: ↑Mon Jul 24, 2023 5:19 pm

I don't believe you believe this.

You know for a fucking fact I believe this

You don't have confidence in your scumreads, you've never caught me as wolf, and yet you confidently think I'm scum now?

That's not what I was saying I wouldn't reeval lom

I don't believe you believe you're right. That's what I was saying.

I do believe I'm right

Robyn is town
Rem is town

I believe that and I will not reeval

I am trying to talk to you and I feel like you are trying your best to deliberately misunderstand me.

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Mon Jul 24, 2023 6:05 pm

Zenon wrote: ↑Mon Jul 24, 2023 5:46 pm

Guillotine wrote: ↑Mon Jul 24, 2023 5:35 pm @Zenon

You dont want rem or robyn and i dont want Seanzie.

Say we both agree to compromise in another slot outside of those three.

Whom would be your pick?

Pyxxys town


I'm fine with any of the others my order if preference is

Wilgy > Epi > Falc

Talk to me about those reads plz

Guillotine wrote: ↑Mon Jul 24, 2023 5:59 pm

Zenon wrote: ↑Mon Jul 24, 2023 5:53 pm

Guillotine wrote: ↑Mon Jul 24, 2023 5:47 pm Zenon, how come you were 100% spot on about Rem being town in those games you linked.

What is the secret?

I read games weird. I read and pick up on things nobody else does and than get told I'm stupid and I'm wrong and I am reading things that are meaningless when I talk about them and than I get ignored and than those people flip town and people look at me and try to explain away my success.

Mac is one of the only players who has accurately pinpointed that I read things it looks like tmi it makes no sense but I have high accuracy.

So what is it? I read around intent, emotion, vibes, whatever I have explained this I have explained that I believe that Rems vibes were pure that she was not lying about being disappointed with her rand and this game until seeing me.

That is how I read the game. And than I try to look at things and go does this make sense as wolf? Does it make sense as town?

Why why not what makes more sense


My read accuracy on town reads is >rand I'm not 100% nobody is but I will always believe in my town reads.

Ok i believe you but again you must understand that to get other townies on board of what tou believe, you must show evidence that Rem is town.
Vibes are not gonna cut it, they are only good for post game bragging “yeeeeeah i was right about so and so”, we've all done it, im a cred hog myself but to get town behind you, you must show us what you see, quotes, posts etc.

Seanzie wrote: ↑Mon Jul 24, 2023 5:54 pm

Zenon wrote: ↑Mon Jul 24, 2023 5:48 pm

Seanzie wrote: ↑Mon Jul 24, 2023 5:39 pm

Zenon wrote: ↑Mon Jul 24, 2023 5:38 pm

Seanzie wrote: ↑Mon Jul 24, 2023 5:19 pm

Zenon wrote: ↑Mon Jul 24, 2023 5:16 pm

Seanzie wrote: ↑Mon Jul 24, 2023 9:51 am @pyxxy @Zenon I suggest you re-eval. My D1 I think a careful reader can clearly tell I believed my pushes. Today, I believe I have been the person who is most trying to solve the game and find a cohesive worldview. There have been no actual points against me made by anyone that I am aware of (correct me if I'm wrong). Aside from possible tinfoil, there is no reason to vote me here.

I'm not reevaluating I'm right

I don't believe you believe this.

You know for a fucking fact I believe this

You don't have confidence in your scumreads, you've never caught me as wolf, and yet you confidently think I'm scum now?

That's not what I was saying I wouldn't reeval lom

I don't believe you believe you're right. That's what I was saying.

Guillotine wrote: ↑Mon Jul 24, 2023 5:50 pm

Zenon wrote: ↑Mon Jul 24, 2023 5:47 pm

Seanzie wrote: ↑Mon Jul 24, 2023 5:37 pm

Zenon wrote: ↑Mon Jul 24, 2023 5:33 pm

Seanzie wrote: ↑Mon Jul 24, 2023 3:38 pm I mean, Robyn could be with anyone at this point, but yeah... the more I think about it, the more I don't like Pyxxy's Robyn stuff today.

Pyxxy posted a vote on Robyn with "look a distraction".

Didn't mention them again until Pyxxy put Seanzie, Epi, Robyn as PoE.

When asked "why Robyn?" their response was "why not?"

then declared Robyn spewed town by the thread.

So are you calling Robyn a wolf?

Pyxxy a wolf?

I don't understand the conclusion I'm to draw here

But I do understand that you've basically scum read or shaded like at least 50% of this game today

Why?

Literally my town meta.

I ALSO don't understand. I have been trying to figure out a good worldview all day, but it is make excessively hard with people like you and Rem being AFK unless you're chatting about stuff not related to the game (I know you do give some reads, but you gotta understand your post-overload makes it 1,000 times harder for people to sort through it all to find anything). Epi has been full-on AFK for almost all day. Wilgy looks like a wolf, but at least they're participating. Falcon only stopped in for a little while. Pyxxy seems reasonable right now, but they do kinda look like they're TMIing so they're hard to trust. Who else am I even missing?

I've been working my ass off to try to find scum today. That's why I've been throwing around scum reads. Seeing what makes sense, and what people respond to, but TONS OF PEOPLE haven't been around, or have just REFUSED TO ANSWER QUESTIONS, and it makes it impossible to do anything productive in thread.

THAT ISN'T me. Don't blame me for this threadstate. I am trying to help. Can't be done alone.

It's extremely frustrating to have to keep hearing this about me over and over and over. I've tried. I'm continuing to try. Rem has prayed reads they exist I know they exist I've read them she's tried.

How about you show me those reads from Rem here that made you certain that she is town here Zenon.

You must understand thst this is a game of mafia and to convince other town you must show some proof. You showed proof that you ate accurate in reading her but you have not shown why is Tem town here.

Guillotine wrote: ↑Mon Jul 24, 2023 5:47 pm Zenon, how come you were 100% spot on about Rem being town in those games you linked.

What is the secret?

Seanzie wrote: ↑Mon Jul 24, 2023 5:43 pm My worldview was a lot simpler when I just thought Epi was wolfing.

They did make me feel distinctly different than when I've seen them wolf in the past though.

Does anyone have strong feelings about Epi one way or the other?

Seanzie wrote: ↑Mon Jul 24, 2023 5:39 pm

Zenon wrote: ↑Mon Jul 24, 2023 5:38 pm

Seanzie wrote: ↑Mon Jul 24, 2023 5:19 pm

Zenon wrote: ↑Mon Jul 24, 2023 5:16 pm

Seanzie wrote: ↑Mon Jul 24, 2023 9:51 am @pyxxy @Zenon I suggest you re-eval. My D1 I think a careful reader can clearly tell I believed my pushes. Today, I believe I have been the person who is most trying to solve the game and find a cohesive worldview. There have been no actual points against me made by anyone that I am aware of (correct me if I'm wrong). Aside from possible tinfoil, there is no reason to vote me here.

I'm not reevaluating I'm right

I don't believe you believe this.

You know for a fucking fact I believe this

You don't have confidence in your scumreads, you've never caught me as wolf, and yet you confidently think I'm scum now?

Seanzie wrote: ↑Mon Jul 24, 2023 5:37 pm

Zenon wrote: ↑Mon Jul 24, 2023 5:33 pm

Seanzie wrote: ↑Mon Jul 24, 2023 3:38 pm I mean, Robyn could be with anyone at this point, but yeah... the more I think about it, the more I don't like Pyxxy's Robyn stuff today.

Pyxxy posted a vote on Robyn with "look a distraction".

Didn't mention them again until Pyxxy put Seanzie, Epi, Robyn as PoE.

When asked "why Robyn?" their response was "why not?"

then declared Robyn spewed town by the thread.

So are you calling Robyn a wolf?

Pyxxy a wolf?

I don't understand the conclusion I'm to draw here

But I do understand that you've basically scum read or shaded like at least 50% of this game today

Why?

Literally my town meta.

I ALSO don't understand. I have been trying to figure out a good worldview all day, but it is make excessively hard with people like you and Rem being AFK unless you're chatting about stuff not related to the game (I know you do give some reads, but you gotta understand your post-overload makes it 1,000 times harder for people to sort through it all to find anything). Epi has been full-on AFK for almost all day. Wilgy looks like a wolf, but at least they're participating. Falcon only stopped in for a little while. Pyxxy seems reasonable right now, but they do kinda look like they're TMIing so they're hard to trust. Who else am I even missing?

I've been working my ass off to try to find scum today. That's why I've been throwing around scum reads. Seeing what makes sense, and what people respond to, but TONS OF PEOPLE haven't been around, or have just REFUSED TO ANSWER QUESTIONS, and it makes it impossible to do anything productive in thread.

THAT ISN'T me. Don't blame me for this threadstate. I am trying to help. Can't be done alone.

Guillotine wrote: ↑Mon Jul 24, 2023 5:35 pm @Zenon

You dont want rem or robyn and i dont want Seanzie.

Say we both agree to compromise in another slot outside of those three.

Whom would be your pick?

Rem wrote: ↑Mon Jul 24, 2023 5:34 pm I'm glad to see that we are doing a little trollin with the votes, a bit of fun never killed anyone, but it might kill me

Seanzie wrote: ↑Mon Jul 24, 2023 5:29 pm

Zenon wrote: ↑Mon Jul 24, 2023 5:21 pm

Seanzie wrote: ↑Mon Jul 24, 2023 11:18 am

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Mon Jul 24, 2023 11:05 am [VOTE: sean] aubergine

No.

Look at the gamestate. I am clearly the one most pushing the game forward at this point.

Zenon and Rem are just fluff after fluff. Robyn is afk. Wilgy has been afk until I started pushing on them. Guillo and Epi have done some stuff. Pyxxy has done nothing.

No.

If you all actually vote me out here (and it is going that way, but it shouldn't be), like... I don't even know what to say.

Literally the one person hardpushing for ACTUAL SOLVING, and the one person ACTUALLY QUESTIONING PEOPLE ON THEIR READS... yup. Vote them off.

I have solves you just don't like them because they don't fit your blatant agenda.

This game is not going to be a win following you because you are wrong. This thread state is atrocious. I'm not caught up but I doubt my reads change so the fact my top 2 towns are the only viable wagons in this game right now is atrocious it means wolfs are controlling the thread and I think it very well could be you. Your pushing easy town misexes and using your activity to push people off you. I think your powerwolf.

I have reads. I have content. I've done stuff to help this game you just don't like it because I was stopping your Rem misexe.

ONE PERSON ONE PERSON HAS BEEN TRYING TO FIX THAT ALL DAY. ONE PERSON

I've been yelling, kicking, screaming at the thread all day trying to find good wagons. You weren't around when Wilgy was a possible wagon. You blaming the current wagons on others when you weren't doing anything to make any good wagons show up all day is not fair.

Nah. I have worked harder today than anyone else. No. I'm not even going to respond to this. I don't even want damn Robyn, it's just the best that the thread is giving me right this second, and you aren't even caught up enough to know and calling this? No. Get out of here.

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Mon Jul 24, 2023 5:29 pmno

Seanzie wrote: ↑Mon Jul 24, 2023 5:19 pm

Zenon wrote: ↑Mon Jul 24, 2023 5:16 pm

Seanzie wrote: ↑Mon Jul 24, 2023 9:51 am @pyxxy @Zenon I suggest you re-eval. My D1 I think a careful reader can clearly tell I believed my pushes. Today, I believe I have been the person who is most trying to solve the game and find a cohesive worldview. There have been no actual points against me made by anyone that I am aware of (correct me if I'm wrong). Aside from possible tinfoil, there is no reason to vote me here.

I'm not reevaluating I'm right

I don't believe you believe this.

Seanzie wrote: ↑Mon Jul 24, 2023 4:33 pm I am not feeling super confident on the Rem wagon right now, but all other wagons are vanity wagons. I don't like this.

Seanzie wrote: ↑Mon Jul 24, 2023 3:38 pm I mean, Robyn could be with anyone at this point, but yeah... the more I think about it, the more I don't like Pyxxy's Robyn stuff today.

Pyxxy posted a vote on Robyn with "look a distraction".

Didn't mention them again until Pyxxy put Seanzie, Epi, Robyn as PoE.

When asked "why Robyn?" their response was "why not?"

then declared Robyn spewed town by the thread.

pyxxy wrote: ↑Mon Jul 24, 2023 3:38 pm no one wanted to actually stake an opinion on Robyn by me for scumreading the slank and Zenon for townreading the vibes

but now that EOD is close, oh, now we're cool with getting all spooky and scary about a slanker

Robyn should never get chopped today. Period.

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Mon Jul 24, 2023 2:47 pm yes. I just don't know if I'm to 100% trust their read on Rem.

I'd like to, but it feels very contrary to what I think on Rem.

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Mon Jul 24, 2023 2:07 pm

Guillotine wrote: ↑Mon Jul 24, 2023 2:02 pm

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Mon Jul 24, 2023 2:01 pm

Guillotine wrote: ↑Mon Jul 24, 2023 2:00 pm

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Mon Jul 24, 2023 1:58 pm

Guillotine wrote: ↑Mon Jul 24, 2023 1:21 pm

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Mon Jul 24, 2023 1:40 am Cape TR'd Guillo, Zenon by like 12.56%

Like'd Rem's readlist

WR'd Seanzie, Pyxxy with Robyn

Weird, if you were willing to consider Cape's legacy on me and Zenon, why did you park your vote one me for more than 24 hours?

Weird, I can drop a randy vote at start of phase prior to reading Cape's legacy on you and Zenon and leave it there for 24 hours because I wasn't around?

No, not really, you can just not drop a vote at all if you are not gonna be around for 24 hours.

Nah

Yah

What is your read on Rem, Pyxxy and Robyn?

Rem is too fluffy, I'd like to trust Zenon but feel that I'm unable to do so fully. Would yeet.

Pyxxy is just wolfy this game.

Robyn is also wolfy this game. They were the first to try to draw attention to the weirdness of the nk this cyle, like almost immediately, and have been almost completely mia at the same time.

Rem wrote: ↑Mon Jul 24, 2023 1:53 pm I declare myself guilty of charge about the fluff post judge

pyxxy wrote: ↑Mon Jul 24, 2023 12:28 pm so

everyone wants to scumlean Robyn

but nobody wants to vote Robyn, except me yesterday

Robyn spewed town by the thread, confirmed

Rem wrote: ↑Mon Jul 24, 2023 11:36 am am I doing it right mom?

Seanzie wrote: ↑Mon Jul 24, 2023 11:18 am

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Mon Jul 24, 2023 11:05 am [VOTE: sean] aubergine

No.

Look at the gamestate. I am clearly the one most pushing the game forward at this point.

Zenon and Rem are just fluff after fluff. Robyn is afk. Wilgy has been afk until I started pushing on them. Guillo and Epi have done some stuff. Pyxxy has done nothing.

No.

If you all actually vote me out here (and it is going that way, but it shouldn't be), like... I don't even know what to say.

Literally the one person hardpushing for ACTUAL SOLVING, and the one person ACTUALLY QUESTIONING PEOPLE ON THEIR READS... yup. Vote them off.

Seanzie wrote: ↑Mon Jul 24, 2023 9:51 am @pyxxy @Zenon I suggest you re-eval. My D1 I think a careful reader can clearly tell I believed my pushes. Today, I believe I have been the person who is most trying to solve the game and find a cohesive worldview. There have been no actual points against me made by anyone that I am aware of (correct me if I'm wrong). Aside from possible tinfoil, there is no reason to vote me here.