The Syndicate

Porscha wrote: ↑Sat Jul 15, 2023 2:59 am look belzy is a grown woman and she's allowed to tell us to fuck off for joking with her if she wants, you dont need to white knight her to pocket her

This is about how I feel. I mean it started as a read about how I think Belzys emotion was AI but long ago I stated that I could not speak for Belzy past that and I do not wish to put words in her mouth

But this is also just a disingenuous and kinda demeaning take on what I'm trying to do.

Zenon wrote: ↑Sat Jul 15, 2023 2:54 am
tutuu wrote: ↑Sat Jul 15, 2023 2:49 am ok i want to respect porscha's wishes to get back into the game

so, lets get back to being serious, guys

question for you two:

has JJJ done isos as town before?
I don't think talking about this is non game related because in mafia emotions often run high and are readable and AI so talking about emotions and the validity of them is useful.

Even though I think this I also acknowledge I should respect your wishes and stop talking about it but I have nothing else to say about the game other than what I said in my big post with my summed up thoughts so

Porscha wrote: ↑Sat Jul 15, 2023 2:50 am
tutuu wrote: ↑Sat Jul 15, 2023 2:49 am ok i want to respect porscha's wishes to get back into the game

so, lets get back to being serious, guys

question for you two:

has JJJ done isos as town before?
lmaoooooo

*sigh*

... just actually wow

tutuu wrote: ↑Sat Jul 15, 2023 2:49 am ok i want to respect porscha's wishes to get back into the game

so, lets get back to being serious, guys

question for you two:

has JJJ done isos as town before?

I don't think talking about this is non game related because in mafia emotions often run high and are readable and AI so talking about emotions and the validity of them is useful.

Porscha wrote: ↑Sat Jul 15, 2023 2:45 am
Zenon wrote: ↑Sat Jul 15, 2023 2:40 am
Porscha wrote: ↑Sat Jul 15, 2023 2:26 am sometimes feelings are wrong, stupid, pointless, harmful to ourselves, etc. if you don't have a boundary to determine what was actually hurtful instead of it just happening to hurt your feelings then everybody is responsible for someone else's emotions and that's frequently untrue. can we move on and talk about the game
I disagree with the insinuation that feelings are at any point stupid.

Yes I'm aware I'm overly emotional. No I do not think that invalidates my feelings or makes them stupid and yes I do think that means that people should try to understand where and why I feel hurt by certain actions. I am not hurt by every action in hurt by more than most people sure but not everything makes me cry.
so is that a no

I mean it's not a no but it's not a yes either.

Porscha wrote: ↑Sat Jul 15, 2023 2:31 am
Zenon wrote: ↑Sat Jul 15, 2023 2:30 am
Porscha wrote: ↑Sat Jul 15, 2023 2:24 am
Zenon wrote: ↑Sat Jul 15, 2023 2:20 am
Porscha wrote: ↑Sat Jul 15, 2023 2:17 am
Zenon wrote: ↑Sat Jul 15, 2023 2:05 am
Porscha wrote: ↑Sat Jul 15, 2023 1:56 am

I also don't think anyone in their right mind is going to wolf read him because of it, just like you aren't. so he clearly isn't in danger from it
Sure but my point is that in most cases a post restriction is wolf sided so thusly Rico having it is >rand townie

Therefore Rico being a lead wagon is not beneficial and in fact actively a problem.
okay then push someone else?

sidenote, you literally played a game with post restrictions that wolves applied to themselves too...
You should be acutely aware that I'm not a fan of pushing players and that my general play style is too attempt to get others to see what I'm seeing.

And yes I openly acknowledged this it's in the post where I asserted this feeling
Defend rico all you want, but everyone including you will be aimlessly ditzing around if we don't find some scumreads to push and wagons to consolidate on. like that's the perfect gamestate for wolves. all talk no pressure
In effect isn't finding town going to place pressure somewhere anyways?

Like yes I think players who have a play style around pushing and applying pressure should do such but I do not think that negates how I play the game and I think the system works most effectively when players who apply pressure apply said pressure while listening to players like me who's style is too find and defend town reads.

It's effectively a checks and balances system in effect
okay well you're the one complaining about gamestate so idk why you're defending yourself to me when I make a suggestion to do something different

I'm sorry I'm upsetting you my point mainly is that the game state has stagnated I am attempting to show the thread that by explaining my concerns and my reads on the players currently being pushed I am trying to pull pressure away from players.

I'm not trying to upset you but I think that you want me to play in a way I'm uncomfortable playing and I do not think that my approach is any less effective than if I were pushing someone and making cases.

Hooray I found my WiM

Zenon wrote: ↑Sat Jul 15, 2023 2:31 am I need to actually go do my work before I get fired I haven't slacked off on my job this much since me and my waifu first started talking and I wanted to spend all day with her...I miss that

I am not doing this and it's bad

Zenon wrote: ↑Sat Jul 15, 2023 2:30 am
Porscha wrote: ↑Sat Jul 15, 2023 2:24 am
Zenon wrote: ↑Sat Jul 15, 2023 2:20 am
Porscha wrote: ↑Sat Jul 15, 2023 2:17 am
Zenon wrote: ↑Sat Jul 15, 2023 2:05 am
Porscha wrote: ↑Sat Jul 15, 2023 1:56 am
Zenon wrote: ↑Sat Jul 15, 2023 1:52 am

I mean why would someone make the cocos decision to continue to post in that manner while being PoE.

I feel like Rico cares more than to get themself killed for a meme.
I also don't think anyone in their right mind is going to wolf read him because of it, just like you aren't. so he clearly isn't in danger from it
Sure but my point is that in most cases a post restriction is wolf sided so thusly Rico having it is >rand townie

Therefore Rico being a lead wagon is not beneficial and in fact actively a problem.
okay then push someone else?

sidenote, you literally played a game with post restrictions that wolves applied to themselves too...
You should be acutely aware that I'm not a fan of pushing players and that my general play style is too attempt to get others to see what I'm seeing.

And yes I openly acknowledged this it's in the post where I asserted this feeling
Defend rico all you want, but everyone including you will be aimlessly ditzing around if we don't find some scumreads to push and wagons to consolidate on. like that's the perfect gamestate for wolves. all talk no pressure
In effect isn't finding town going to place pressure somewhere anyways?

Like yes I think players who have a play style around pushing and applying pressure should do such but I do not think that negates how I play the game and I think the system works most effectively when players who apply pressure apply said pressure while listening to players like me who's style is too find and defend town reads.

It's effectively a checks and balances system in effect

I donut know why I said effectively in effect but I hate myself for it

Ricochet wrote: ↑Sat Jul 15, 2023 2:28 am
Zenon wrote: ↑Sat Jul 15, 2023 2:24 am You didn't vote in the poll bread

I like bread way less than donuts

tutuu wrote: ↑Sat Jul 15, 2023 2:28 am
Zenon wrote: ↑Sat Jul 15, 2023 2:24 am It is unfair to expect me to simply stop being upset. It is unfair to say that effectively my emotions are my fault and I need to challenge myself to stop having feelings
it sounds unfair but its good for u. i went through that too, it was really helpful to me. i will send you the book later. if you want you can check it out. if you have another strategy of improving, that is fine too. all is calm

I don't think what you are in effect taking me to do is beneficial to me in any way. I in effect spent the first half of my life acting the way you think I should act now. It was supremely harmful to me in numerous ways.

Porscha wrote: ↑Sat Jul 15, 2023 2:26 am sometimes feelings are wrong, stupid, pointless, harmful to ourselves, etc. if you don't have a boundary to determine what was actually hurtful instead of it just happening to hurt your feelings then everybody is responsible for someone else's emotions and that's frequently untrue. can we move on and talk about the game

I disagree with the insinuation that feelings are at any point stupid.

Yes I'm aware I'm overly emotional. No I do not think that invalidates my feelings or makes them stupid and yes I do think that means that people should try to understand where and why I feel hurt by certain actions. I am not hurt by every action in hurt by more than most people sure but not everything makes me cry.

I need to actually go do my work before I get fired I haven't slacked off on my job this much since me and my waifu first started talking and I wanted to spend all day with her...I miss that

Porscha wrote: ↑Sat Jul 15, 2023 2:24 am
Zenon wrote: ↑Sat Jul 15, 2023 2:20 am
Porscha wrote: ↑Sat Jul 15, 2023 2:17 am
Zenon wrote: ↑Sat Jul 15, 2023 2:05 am
Porscha wrote: ↑Sat Jul 15, 2023 1:56 am
Zenon wrote: ↑Sat Jul 15, 2023 1:52 am
Porscha wrote: ↑Sat Jul 15, 2023 1:38 am

I guess it's possible. but the confidence of which it was said threw me, cuz I was just reading rico as joking around

it didn't occur to me that he *couldnt* post normally
I mean why would someone make the cocos decision to continue to post in that manner while being PoE.

I feel like Rico cares more than to get themself killed for a meme.
I also don't think anyone in their right mind is going to wolf read him because of it, just like you aren't. so he clearly isn't in danger from it
Sure but my point is that in most cases a post restriction is wolf sided so thusly Rico having it is >rand townie

Therefore Rico being a lead wagon is not beneficial and in fact actively a problem.
okay then push someone else?

sidenote, you literally played a game with post restrictions that wolves applied to themselves too...
You should be acutely aware that I'm not a fan of pushing players and that my general play style is too attempt to get others to see what I'm seeing.

And yes I openly acknowledged this it's in the post where I asserted this feeling
Defend rico all you want, but everyone including you will be aimlessly ditzing around if we don't find some scumreads to push and wagons to consolidate on. like that's the perfect gamestate for wolves. all talk no pressure

In effect isn't finding town going to place pressure somewhere anyways?

Like yes I think players who have a play style around pushing and applying pressure should do such but I do not think that negates how I play the game and I think the system works most effectively when players who apply pressure apply said pressure while listening to players like me who's style is too find and defend town reads.

It's effectively a checks and balances system in effect

You didn't vote in the poll bread

Lime Coke wrote: ↑Sat Jul 15, 2023 2:20 am [VOTE: DrWilgy] aubergine

Throws hands up.

JJJ had him as a suspect.

Vote Wilgz

Why not

tutuu wrote: ↑Sat Jul 15, 2023 2:18 am
Zenon wrote: ↑Sat Jul 15, 2023 2:09 am Like this is just the emotionally correct way to respond to someone being upset *shrugs*

Ownership of how your actions make other people feel is important.
you should have some kind of judgement about what crosses the line and what doesnt. some kind of boundary line. if you just base your view of what is disrespectful based off only of how upset the person looks - that doesnt sound like a smart idea to me. ur just hurting urself. because ud also apply it to urself. "if im upset, im upset for a reason. this sucks. this is horrible. i hate <insert X>". ud probably get upset every day. sounds much more pragmatic to challenge yourself and halt yourself from being upset in the first place. if i didnt challenge myself id have been cussing you out on day 1. would that have been better for me? or was it better that i challenged myself?

Well no. If im upset I am quite literally upset for a reason. Feelings are valid and intent matters in effect but it's still important and necessary to understand and approach the person with said feelings in a way to understand acknowledge and validate their feelings.

I get upset a lot yes but I

Do not get upset every day

I get upset a lot but I

Do not hate anyone who's upset me.

It is unfair to expect me to simply stop being upset. It is unfair to say that effectively my emotions are my fault and I need to challenge myself to stop having feelings

Porscha wrote: ↑Sat Jul 15, 2023 2:17 am
Zenon wrote: ↑Sat Jul 15, 2023 2:05 am
Porscha wrote: ↑Sat Jul 15, 2023 1:56 am
Zenon wrote: ↑Sat Jul 15, 2023 1:52 am
Porscha wrote: ↑Sat Jul 15, 2023 1:38 am
tutuu wrote: ↑Sat Jul 15, 2023 1:35 am
Porscha wrote: ↑Sat Jul 15, 2023 1:33 am i'm sorry? what makes you think there is a post restriction ability?
all of rico's posts
I guess it's possible. but the confidence of which it was said threw me, cuz I was just reading rico as joking around

it didn't occur to me that he *couldnt* post normally
I mean why would someone make the cocos decision to continue to post in that manner while being PoE.

I feel like Rico cares more than to get themself killed for a meme.
I also don't think anyone in their right mind is going to wolf read him because of it, just like you aren't. so he clearly isn't in danger from it
Sure but my point is that in most cases a post restriction is wolf sided so thusly Rico having it is >rand townie

Therefore Rico being a lead wagon is not beneficial and in fact actively a problem.
okay then push someone else?

sidenote, you literally played a game with post restrictions that wolves applied to themselves too...

You should be acutely aware that I'm not a fan of pushing players and that my general play style is too attempt to get others to see what I'm seeing.

And yes I openly acknowledged this it's in the post where I asserted this feeling

Lime Coke wrote: ↑Sat Jul 15, 2023 2:16 am Oh you have Belzy as your top town.

I'll leave them alone as well then.

Yeah basically Belzy is my only lock town never rescind right now

For me that effectively means I will never reeval until FX

I'm trying to be more picky on placing people in that tier and it's been effective lately in that I've got an 80% read accuracy with that tier and have never gotten more than 1 wrong in any game for the last like month or so

Lime Coke wrote: ↑Sat Jul 15, 2023 2:14 am
Lime Coke wrote: ↑Fri Jul 14, 2023 6:08 pm Alright so here's how we do this.

Town:
Tutuu
Jayjayy
WhopWhoop (Porscha)
Sean...Seanzie
Ze...non
Die_diee
Martin

Part of me wants to try to culminate and try to sponge townreads from part of my towncore, so hopefully I can get those from certain people?
This but added Martin to it just now.

I am gonna post reaper every single time I see die die lol

Here's a reaper

MartinGG99 wrote: ↑Sat Jul 15, 2023 2:13 am
tutuu wrote: ↑Sat Jul 15, 2023 2:03 am
Zenon wrote: ↑Sat Jul 15, 2023 2:02 am This response is exactly the problem.

It was an innocent joke implies the feelings weren't valid

People get emotional abs we shouldn't need to coddle them is putting the blame on someone who's feelings are entirely valid instead of ownership on the responsibile party.

Like maybe Belzy doesn't care as much as I do but this response is entirely dismissive and is not okay period.
i used to think this way and i used to throw tantrums every game

i read a book and i stopped thinking that way and i stopped throwing tantrums

im going to send you the book after the game
Since this appears to be discussed for some length, I thought I would share my own perspective on things. Maybe you all will find it interesting and/or has something to learn from. Or maybe some of you will think I'm a fool. Who knows. I generally apply it to only myself though, since I can't really reliably expect others to follow the same behavior.

Personally, I'm of the belief that follows a quote that ends up something like this:

"....now nobody intended it, but that's what happened."

At the end of a day, if someone is in pain then they are in pain, regardless of intention. Someone has to heal things up or nobody will. Now I'm not saying we all should be walking on egg-shells or whatever, but I'm usually of the strong opinion of expressing care after harm occurs unintentionally. That may mean expressing more care the next time such a mistake is bound to happen, adjusting behaviors to make that less likely with said person. That might mean apologizing. That might mean treating that person differently. Ultimately, at the end of the day, something must be done to prevent further harm and (if reasonably possible) to right a wrong. In social contexts though I do think it can be really tricky to avoid the first occurrence of harm without just training everyone to be telepathic mind-readers capable of anticipating every form of offense imaginable.

I will never call someone a fool or whatever for explaining how they feel on any subject and their own personal take

I think this response is nuanced and probably just like a more well developed take on what I'm effectively trying to say. Like I think it's just a more adult and thought out and better way to approach emotional harm than how I feel but in the same vein. Thank you.

Lime Coke wrote: ↑Sat Jul 15, 2023 2:11 am
Zenon wrote: ↑Sat Jul 15, 2023 2:08 am
Lime Coke wrote: ↑Sat Jul 15, 2023 2:03 am @Zenon

Who do you have in total as your town?
Belzy like that's it

I have leans on

You
Porscha
Tutuu
Rico
Martin

Everyone else is in my lean scum pile which is like just people I currently don't town read essentially.
Alright that's fine.

Could just throw in Martin to my townlist and hope it's right.

Rico I'm backing off of.

I don't know who to vote out then at that rate.

Neither do I honestly. I was hoping I'd get some clarity overnight but my misunderstanding of certain aspects of the game means my night 1 was effectively useless

Lime Coke wrote: ↑Sat Jul 15, 2023 2:07 am [VOTE: unvote] aubergine

I'm just gonna step back on the Rico wagon for a bit on that since there's townreads thrown on there that I'm not understanding. But I'll listen.

I like this post a ton. LC can be town instead of town lean but not lock town status yet.

tutuu wrote: ↑Sat Jul 15, 2023 2:06 am
tutuu wrote: ↑Sat Jul 15, 2023 2:03 am i used to think this way and i used to throw tantrums every game

i read a book and i stopped thinking that way and i stopped throwing tantrums

im going to send you the book after the game
if u never challenge your emotions u are never going to stop having tantrums. u cant control other people but u can control urself

I mean like...I don't think this is a fair assessment of my emotional state in general.

Like I'm a dumb bitch who does emotionally reactive things that upset people

I've certainly made mistakes in ignoring others respective desires to stop interacting with me and I know that their feelings were valid and I should have approached them more cautiously

tutuu wrote: ↑Sat Jul 15, 2023 2:03 am
Zenon wrote: ↑Sat Jul 15, 2023 2:02 am This response is exactly the problem.

It was an innocent joke implies the feelings weren't valid

People get emotional abs we shouldn't need to coddle them is putting the blame on someone who's feelings are entirely valid instead of ownership on the responsibile party.

Like maybe Belzy doesn't care as much as I do but this response is entirely dismissive and is not okay period.
i used to think this way and i used to throw tantrums every game

i read a book and i stopped thinking that way and i stopped throwing tantrums

im going to send you the book after the game

Like this is just the emotionally correct way to respond to someone being upset *shrugs*

Ownership of how your actions make other people feel is important.

Lime Coke wrote: ↑Sat Jul 15, 2023 2:03 am @Zenon

Who do you have in total as your town?

Belzy like that's it

I have leans on

You
Porscha
Tutuu
Rico
Martin

Everyone else is in my lean scum pile which is like just people I currently don't town read essentially.

Porscha wrote: ↑Sat Jul 15, 2023 1:58 am
Zenon wrote: ↑Sat Jul 15, 2023 1:57 am
Porscha wrote: ↑Sat Jul 15, 2023 1:48 am
Zenon wrote: ↑Sat Jul 15, 2023 1:42 am
tutuu wrote: ↑Sat Jul 15, 2023 1:31 am
Zenon wrote: ↑Sat Jul 15, 2023 1:21 am instead of like really understanding why the feelings were there
i can assure you everyone understood
I can assure you if that was true the response would not have been lol its just a joke stop being emo
zenon telling everyone else to not be emo

ex dee
That is like the opposite of what this post says though
stop being emo doesnt equal you telling someone to stop being emo? lmao

The post says that other people aka not me had a response to Belzy that was the equivalent of telling Belzy to stop being emo

And that I personally think that was a gross response.

Porscha wrote: ↑Sat Jul 15, 2023 1:56 am
Zenon wrote: ↑Sat Jul 15, 2023 1:52 am
Porscha wrote: ↑Sat Jul 15, 2023 1:38 am
tutuu wrote: ↑Sat Jul 15, 2023 1:35 am
Porscha wrote: ↑Sat Jul 15, 2023 1:33 am i'm sorry? what makes you think there is a post restriction ability?
all of rico's posts
I guess it's possible. but the confidence of which it was said threw me, cuz I was just reading rico as joking around

it didn't occur to me that he *couldnt* post normally
I mean why would someone make the cocos decision to continue to post in that manner while being PoE.

I feel like Rico cares more than to get themself killed for a meme.
I also don't think anyone in their right mind is going to wolf read him because of it, just like you aren't. so he clearly isn't in danger from it

Sure but my point is that in most cases a post restriction is wolf sided so thusly Rico having it is >rand townie

Therefore Rico being a lead wagon is not beneficial and in fact actively a problem.

tutuu wrote: ↑Sat Jul 15, 2023 1:53 am
Zenon wrote: ↑Sat Jul 15, 2023 1:51 am
tutuu wrote: ↑Sat Jul 15, 2023 1:37 am
Zenon wrote: ↑Sat Jul 15, 2023 1:21 am I do not think that the thread state is good I think wolfs are rolling us I think the thought process is bad I think this game is hard and I donut know how to fix it but something is wrong.
i think motobot is wolf. but then i dont know who are his wolf mates

thread state was even worse d1. 100 times worse d1
Yes and I was a part of that I'm aware. I stand by my emotions but not the way I acted upon them. I have the brain development of a 15 year old and while it's not something I can actively control its something I'm aware of and mindful of and I'm disappointed in myself. However I actually think the thread state today is worse. It's clear wolfs rolled through town yesterday but still here today the thread state feels stagnant reads aren't developing I feel like we are just where we were yesterday.
i dont disagree with that. i attribute it to general lack of activity which is typical. nothing much we can do

There's plenty we can do. I do not agree that just because syndicate has lower activity than other places on the net we are resigned to be unable to change the thread state.

Ricochet wrote: ↑Sat Jul 15, 2023 1:52 am
Zenon wrote: ↑Sat Jul 15, 2023 1:03 am
Rico is honestly just town unless this is a fake restriction and I donut think it is

I too like donuts can I have one?

tutuu wrote: ↑Sat Jul 15, 2023 1:49 am
Zenon wrote: ↑Sat Jul 15, 2023 1:42 am
tutuu wrote: ↑Sat Jul 15, 2023 1:31 am
Zenon wrote: ↑Sat Jul 15, 2023 1:21 am instead of like really understanding why the feelings were there
i can assure you everyone understood
I can assure you if that was true the response would not have been lol its just a joke stop being emo
all of us understood belzy was upset. none of us were disrespectful to them. it was as innocent joke as it can get

some people get emotional 1000 times easier than others. but its not other peoples responsibility to walk on eggshells and coddle them in extremes. every person holds accountability for their own emotional state. relinquishing control over your emotional state and convincing yourself other people are responsible for your emotions sounds like a bad idea. i wouldnt want other people to control me, feels suboptimal

This response is exactly the problem.

It was an innocent joke implies the feelings weren't valid

People get emotional abs we shouldn't need to coddle them is putting the blame on someone who's feelings are entirely valid instead of ownership on the responsibile party.

Like maybe Belzy doesn't care as much as I do but this response is entirely dismissive and is not okay period.

Porscha wrote: ↑Sat Jul 15, 2023 1:49 am
Zenon wrote: ↑Sat Jul 15, 2023 1:43 am
Porscha wrote: ↑Sat Jul 15, 2023 1:33 am
Zenon wrote: ↑Sat Jul 15, 2023 1:21 am Belzy is like kinda the only player I trust right now. Wrong on me but I fully understand the thought process and its towny. The indignation is heckin towny AF. I think the genuine emotion around asking a legitimate question and only getting joke answers is like real and towny and I would be upset to because I find that happens a lot here and that's antithetical to a team game when someone is seeking genuine clarification.

Blah blah I also don't like that everyone responded to this by saying "they were joking" instead of like really understanding why the feelings were there and valid blah blah

I think this will be my jumping off point. Belzy is my life raft.

I genuinely believe post restriction abilities are always wolf sided and generally are always wolf PRs therefore I think Rico is town however there is a juxtaposition with the fact that I think it was me and Porscha were wolfing together don't remember who else and we used our post restriction abilities on ourself so I am acutely aware of that.

I think the poll removal ability is likely wolfy I think the caster is wolfy I should say the recipient is likely town. I do not know who cast and who received I'm inclined to think that the intent was to make Martin look worse because they recurve substantial suspicion yesterday

I do not think that the thread state is good I think wolfs are rolling us I think the thought process is bad I think this game is hard and I donut know how to fix it but something is wrong.

LAMIST

Hopefully this post gets some thought going I tried I want interaction pls don't ignore me

Back to work
i'm sorry? what makes you think there is a post restriction ability?
Logic. I mean like literally why else would Rico be playing the way they have today. No shot this was a conscious choice.
then why wouldn't he just say it through the meme like he has done with everything else?

Generally speaking post restrictions are expressly unable to speak about the restriction.

Porscha wrote: ↑Sat Jul 15, 2023 1:48 am
Zenon wrote: ↑Sat Jul 15, 2023 1:44 am
Porscha wrote: ↑Sat Jul 15, 2023 1:36 am I also townlean belzy
I'm town locking Belz until FX *shrugs*
ok thanks for sharing lol

Your welcome

Lime Coke wrote: ↑Sat Jul 15, 2023 1:48 am You could literally ask Zenon on my views in bussing, in that I hate doing it and think it's always done unnecessarily.

If LC flips a wolf they are town locked this is true and based and real

Porscha wrote: ↑Sat Jul 15, 2023 1:48 am
Zenon wrote: ↑Sat Jul 15, 2023 1:42 am
tutuu wrote: ↑Sat Jul 15, 2023 1:31 am
Zenon wrote: ↑Sat Jul 15, 2023 1:21 am instead of like really understanding why the feelings were there
i can assure you everyone understood
I can assure you if that was true the response would not have been lol its just a joke stop being emo
zenon telling everyone else to not be emo

ex dee

That is like the opposite of what this post says though

Porscha wrote: ↑Sat Jul 15, 2023 1:38 am
tutuu wrote: ↑Sat Jul 15, 2023 1:35 am
Porscha wrote: ↑Sat Jul 15, 2023 1:33 am i'm sorry? what makes you think there is a post restriction ability?
all of rico's posts
I guess it's possible. but the confidence of which it was said threw me, cuz I was just reading rico as joking around

it didn't occur to me that he *couldnt* post normally

I mean why would someone make the cocos decision to continue to post in that manner while being PoE.

I feel like Rico cares more than to get themself killed for a meme.

tutuu wrote: ↑Sat Jul 15, 2023 1:37 am
Zenon wrote: ↑Sat Jul 15, 2023 1:21 am I do not think that the thread state is good I think wolfs are rolling us I think the thought process is bad I think this game is hard and I donut know how to fix it but something is wrong.
i think motobot is wolf. but then i dont know who are his wolf mates

thread state was even worse d1. 100 times worse d1

Yes and I was a part of that I'm aware. I stand by my emotions but not the way I acted upon them. I have the brain development of a 15 year old and while it's not something I can actively control its something I'm aware of and mindful of and I'm disappointed in myself. However I actually think the thread state today is worse. It's clear wolfs rolled through town yesterday but still here today the thread state feels stagnant reads aren't developing I feel like we are just where we were yesterday.

Porscha wrote: ↑Sat Jul 15, 2023 1:36 am I also townlean belzy

I'm town locking Belz until FX *shrugs*

Porscha wrote: ↑Sat Jul 15, 2023 1:33 am
Zenon wrote: ↑Sat Jul 15, 2023 1:21 am Belzy is like kinda the only player I trust right now. Wrong on me but I fully understand the thought process and its towny. The indignation is heckin towny AF. I think the genuine emotion around asking a legitimate question and only getting joke answers is like real and towny and I would be upset to because I find that happens a lot here and that's antithetical to a team game when someone is seeking genuine clarification.

Blah blah I also don't like that everyone responded to this by saying "they were joking" instead of like really understanding why the feelings were there and valid blah blah

I think this will be my jumping off point. Belzy is my life raft.

I genuinely believe post restriction abilities are always wolf sided and generally are always wolf PRs therefore I think Rico is town however there is a juxtaposition with the fact that I think it was me and Porscha were wolfing together don't remember who else and we used our post restriction abilities on ourself so I am acutely aware of that.

I think the poll removal ability is likely wolfy I think the caster is wolfy I should say the recipient is likely town. I do not know who cast and who received I'm inclined to think that the intent was to make Martin look worse because they recurve substantial suspicion yesterday

I do not think that the thread state is good I think wolfs are rolling us I think the thought process is bad I think this game is hard and I donut know how to fix it but something is wrong.

LAMIST

Hopefully this post gets some thought going I tried I want interaction pls don't ignore me

Back to work
i'm sorry? what makes you think there is a post restriction ability?

Logic. I mean like literally why else would Rico be playing the way they have today. No shot this was a conscious choice.

tutuu wrote: ↑Sat Jul 15, 2023 1:31 am
Zenon wrote: ↑Sat Jul 15, 2023 1:21 am instead of like really understanding why the feelings were there
i can assure you everyone understood

I can assure you if that was true the response would not have been lol its just a joke stop being emo

tutuu wrote: ↑Sat Jul 15, 2023 1:26 am
Zenon wrote: ↑Sat Jul 15, 2023 1:13 am than like LC is winning the game for thinking independently
if nobody listens to hypotethical LC and hypotethical Zenon gets mischopped then LC doesn't win the game. he might pat himself on the back for being right, but in the end the whole team wins or loses together

i suggest having a good and consistent track record in accuracy, and then sharing those reads to the group in a cordial way. if you cant explain them - say godread or something. sean didnt explain his porscha townread and i dont care, its enough for me. sean earned his reputation

if a person doesnt have a consistent accuracy record, i think its understandable if people are to be skeptical, until that person earns their reputation

you can introduce your belzy townread to the whole group and think of it as teamwork. try. i also townread belzy

No that's just not a good way to play the game. Me being rand on my reads does not mean I should be ignored and we should sheep someone solely because they generally have a big tank record people should listen to everyone people should be willing to avoid mass group think and avoid pitfalls by listening to the one person saying "hey this is dumb" because that person is looking at different perspective than any of the others.

Ignoring the correct person is the fault of the group not the fault of the correct person regardless of reputation.

Mac is my idol I trust him more than any singular player in mafia. I will not sheep him Mac can be wrong Mac is wrong thinking independently from Mac has yielded good results but Mac is also very good at working with the people standing against him if they are approaching their dissent respectfully and readjusting his world view.

Belzy is like kinda the only player I trust right now. Wrong on me but I fully understand the thought process and its towny. The indignation is heckin towny AF. I think the genuine emotion around asking a legitimate question and only getting joke answers is like real and towny and I would be upset to because I find that happens a lot here and that's antithetical to a team game when someone is seeking genuine clarification.

Blah blah I also don't like that everyone responded to this by saying "they were joking" instead of like really understanding why the feelings were there and valid blah blah

I think this will be my jumping off point. Belzy is my life raft.

I genuinely believe post restriction abilities are always wolf sided and generally are always wolf PRs therefore I think Rico is town however there is a juxtaposition with the fact that I think it was me and Porscha were wolfing together don't remember who else and we used our post restriction abilities on ourself so I am acutely aware of that.

I think the poll removal ability is likely wolfy I think the caster is wolfy I should say the recipient is likely town. I do not know who cast and who received I'm inclined to think that the intent was to make Martin look worse because they recurve substantial suspicion yesterday

I do not think that the thread state is good I think wolfs are rolling us I think the thought process is bad I think this game is hard and I donut know how to fix it but something is wrong.

LAMIST

Hopefully this post gets some thought going I tried I want interaction pls don't ignore me

Back to work

tutuu wrote: ↑Sat Jul 15, 2023 1:07 am
Zenon wrote: ↑Sat Jul 15, 2023 12:58 am
tutuu wrote: ↑Fri Jul 14, 2023 4:39 pm We should all just sheep jay jay imo
Sheeping is boring I prefer free thought
solo heroes are more likely to lose games than teamwork in my experience and i find winning fun more than losing

I disagree group think loses games

Encouraging people to play their game keeping thread atmosphere light (yes I realize the irony) allowing and encouraging free thought and avoiding group think wins games.

Yes consolidation matters EVENTUALLY but if the group think is for instance that I'm wolf and LC says I'm town and I'm town than like LC is winning the game for thinking independently

And I am very good at finding town against the group when given the space and time to do so although in this game I feel that's largely less likely generally speaking because I do not have full context and I will not go and get full context and without full context I'm kneecapped.

Thanks for coming to my tedtalk

Belzy wrote: ↑Fri Jul 14, 2023 6:57 pm
tutuu wrote: ↑Fri Jul 14, 2023 6:55 pm
Belzy wrote: ↑Fri Jul 14, 2023 6:50 pm [VOTE: JJJ] aubergine
they are joking btw lol, Jay is like one of the most decorated mafia players in the entire forum mafia world. he has done isos as town
If ppl are not going to be honest, I will just walk away.

Towny indignation is towny

tutuu wrote: ↑Fri Jul 14, 2023 6:54 pm probably not towny for belzy. maybe i was just so amused that i associated the positive feeling of amusement with the positive feeling of finding a townread

Belzy is honestly my top town read

Belzy wrote: ↑Fri Jul 14, 2023 6:19 pm
Lime Coke wrote: ↑Fri Jul 14, 2023 6:14 pm Belbeel what is your total viewpoint of the game so far? Like reads that you're most confident on and could provide explanations for if you can.
JJJ and tutuu are well present. I hope both are town. Zenon, I don't know why anyone would townread her rn.

They'd be correct if they did

Seanzie wrote: ↑Fri Jul 14, 2023 6:18 pm
Ricochet wrote: ↑Fri Jul 14, 2023 6:10 pm
Seanzie wrote: ↑Fri Jul 14, 2023 6:03 pm
Ricochet wrote: ↑Fri Jul 14, 2023 3:44 pm

Do you have any scumreads that aren't just OMGUS?

Elim this plz.

Rico is honestly just town unless this is a fake restriction and I donut think it is

Lime Coke wrote: ↑Fri Jul 14, 2023 6:08 pm Die_diee

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