The Syndicate

Shending_Help wrote: ↑Tue Jul 19, 2022 4:57 pm
Sabiplz wrote: ↑Tue Jul 19, 2022 4:53 pm I'm fine with dying because yall keep focusing on me and not scum hunting. I don't have the energy to keep defending myself.

When I die, please look into dya and seanize becuase I will flip V.
Did you read my Sean towncase. Comments on why you disagree?

I'm going to reread it

Kinda hard to have wim when after I pushed on hk I still get sr. There's no point anymore. I'm going to flip town and yall will have to look at who kept pushing me instead of dya or Falcon.

My wim does die when I'm getting sr two days in a row as town. You can see any of my town games for that.

I'm fine with dying because yall keep focusing on me and not scum hunting. I don't have the energy to keep defending myself.

When I die, please look into dya and seanize becuase I will flip V.

I spent all morning applying to jobs and writing cover letters. Pretty brain dead.

Shending_Help wrote: ↑Tue Jul 19, 2022 1:56 pm @Sabiplz

D1 you went on a rant about its logical to always give you until D2 because at this point you town tell / become obvious.

Do you think you have been obvious today, yes or no? If yes, how? If no, why not?

Overall, Do you think ppl should be reading you as town this game

I tried to obv town with my push on seanize but that was lackluster and after my failed read on Alison/Brad kinda lost motivation. So yea win is down. I think we are two miskill from limlo

I had a dream last night I was shot at I'm this game by a player not even playing

Seanzie wrote: ↑Tue Jul 19, 2022 12:06 am yeah, okay. Gonna take a stance. Falcon probably not mafia, Sabi mafia.

This is hilarious. Please tell me who my partners are in this world. Dya also pushed for Falcon?

Seanzie wrote: ↑Mon Jul 18, 2022 11:40 pm
Sabiplz wrote: ↑Mon Jul 18, 2022 11:33 pm Voting jack for now so that dya isn't in the hammer zone (are there hammers in this game)

Sabiplz wrote: ↑Mon Jul 18, 2022 11:33 pm
Seanzie wrote: ↑Mon Jul 18, 2022 11:32 pm @Sabiplz thoughts on who Marmot should shoot?
Falcon or dya tbh
If you want Marmot to shoot Falcon or Dya, why did you move off Falcon to Jack?

@Seanzie i dont shoot people I'm voting for and also Jack wasn't my confident read. He was a placement vote because hammer zone for dya. Please explain how that is scummy

Marmot wrote: ↑Mon Jul 18, 2022 11:35 pmWelp

So how does this affect your reads

Mentally my vote is on dya but hammer zone

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Mon Jul 18, 2022 11:33 pm @Marmot has shot @Jackofhearts2005

Jack flips town, VT.

Day continues, with 11 alive the hammer is now 6.

Spoiler: show
@Cape90@DrWilgy@dunya@dyachei@falcon45ca@Marmot@sabiplz@Seanzie@Shending_Help@Spacedaisy@Wisdom

Well this is bad.

I was uh too late

Seanzie wrote: ↑Mon Jul 18, 2022 11:32 pm @Sabiplz thoughts on who Marmot should shoot?

Falcon or dya tbh

Voting jack for now so that dya isn't in the hammer zone (are there hammers in this game)

I kinda do think jack and dya have atleast one wolf in that pair but I will reread in the morning. Kinda sleepy rn

Is Falcon always this.... MIA? Never played with them before

dunya wrote: ↑Mon Jul 18, 2022 7:53 pm
Alison wrote: ↑Sat Jul 16, 2022 6:54 am
Shending_Help wrote: ↑Sat Jul 16, 2022 6:09 am I havent actually played a normal non-turbo game with Sabi before so, I'd like some input from others on this progression on me.
I don't see a problem with this progression. I read Sabi's post as: "When Shending is town they have good tone, when they are wolf they have bad tone. Their tone is good at first, but then they have a post with really bad tone and now I no longer townread them". That doesn't seem like a particularly unnatural thought process.
@Sabiplz have you played with alison before?

Twice on her alt Ariel. First game we were both town but butted heads constantly. Second we were both mafia and she hard bussed me from the start of day and we fought about it.

dunya wrote: ↑Mon Jul 18, 2022 7:13 pm ive never heard of motivator as a PR fwiw

It's a mafia role on my homesite

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Mon Jul 18, 2022 7:09 pm
Sabiplz wrote: ↑Mon Jul 18, 2022 7:07 pm Get the dead out of the thread [Falcon]

@NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME
Miss!

Well i guess ita won't work then

[VOTE: falcon45ca] aubergine

Get the dead out of the thread [Falcon]

@NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME

Marmot wrote: ↑Mon Jul 18, 2022 7:05 pm
Sabiplz wrote: ↑Mon Jul 18, 2022 7:03 pm
Marmot wrote: ↑Mon Jul 18, 2022 7:00 pm
Sabiplz wrote: ↑Mon Jul 18, 2022 6:52 pm I don't get why I'm being on the shotlists at all but whatever I don't have the energy to argue since my role is meh. Just sucks thats all.

Reasons I think Sabi could be scum:

I asked if you planned on sharing who you RBd and I haven't heard a response from you, and I can't tell if it's because you don't want to share, or because you missed that I asked it, or because you don't have information to share. I could have missed it to, though I did double check. But I'm concerned because I haven't heard anything.

Also you were defending Alison today (which we now know turned out to be wrong), after maintaining yesterday that you have the best ability here to read LC (and dismissing other peoples attempts to do so)

Reason I think Sabi could be town:

Sabi did make the strongest case of anyone to vote hk yesterday. I don't think it's a strong argument because sabi was the counterwagon, but it is still a town point imo
I roleblocked seanize because of his eod actions. Nook hasn't told me if it worked or didn't.

Please tell me, as scum, what motivation do I have to bus a partner with a role and then hard defend a Goon with no role? How does any of that makes sense in any world.

You claim to have a role too.

It's town roleblock. That's literally it. I will use it tonight on whoever the towncore/council/whatever term decide they want me to use it on

Marmot wrote: ↑Mon Jul 18, 2022 7:00 pm
Sabiplz wrote: ↑Mon Jul 18, 2022 6:52 pm I don't get why I'm being on the shotlists at all but whatever I don't have the energy to argue since my role is meh. Just sucks thats all.

Reasons I think Sabi could be scum:

I asked if you planned on sharing who you RBd and I haven't heard a response from you, and I can't tell if it's because you don't want to share, or because you missed that I asked it, or because you don't have information to share. I could have missed it to, though I did double check. But I'm concerned because I haven't heard anything.

Also you were defending Alison today (which we now know turned out to be wrong), after maintaining yesterday that you have the best ability here to read LC (and dismissing other peoples attempts to do so)

Reason I think Sabi could be town:

Sabi did make the strongest case of anyone to vote hk yesterday. I don't think it's a strong argument because sabi was the counterwagon, but it is still a town point imo

I roleblocked seanize because of his eod actions. Nook hasn't told me if it worked or didn't.

Please tell me, as scum, what motivation do I have to bus a partner with a role and then hard defend a Goon with no role? How does any of that makes sense in any world.

Wait is there another definition of motivator because what I know is that it puts it first in the time line of action so can't be stopped. It doesn't double actions AFAIK.

Motivator tends to be a mafia role. It puts actions ahead of all orders of actions so it can't be stopped/roleblocked.

I don't get why I'm being on the shotlists at all but whatever I don't have the energy to argue since my role is meh. Just sucks thats all.

Yeaaaa I am not believing both deeps at this point esp cape since he clearly read my posts.

Shending_Help wrote: ↑Mon Jul 18, 2022 5:09 pm Sabi please for the love of God get a pfp already

Are you happy now

Yall do now Alison is dead right???

Cape90 wrote: ↑Mon Jul 18, 2022 5:02 pm
Sabiplz wrote: ↑Mon Jul 18, 2022 5:01 pm
Cape90 wrote: ↑Mon Jul 18, 2022 4:49 pm
Sabiplz wrote: ↑Sat Jul 16, 2022 12:10 pm Cape posts yesterday were good and he's easy for me to read.
How do you read me as mafia then?

You have literally never expressed this POV in any of the turbos we have completed together
I have expressed this before in turbos and in the mafia scum game. I said you were super easy to read. Should I drag that comment out? I have only seen you mafia less than a handful of times so I am not that great at scumread ing you but I can find you as town. You have been towny to me like in the mafia scum game.
well in that game you were wolf, so ofc you are going to be more inclined to think that in terms of the mafia scum game

It was multiball and you could have still been mafia but I didn't mafia read you when you spoke in the Hydra. (I did sr when HK spoke) in before that's tmi in multiball.

Seanzie wrote: ↑Mon Jul 18, 2022 4:36 pm A lot of people are townreading Sabiplz. Can anyone explain it to me slowly? Is it meta, or are there ITT reasons for it?

I was like halfway of dropping my push on her lst night, but then Alison flipped, and this:
Sabiplz wrote: ↑Sun Jul 17, 2022 10:17 pm
Seanzie wrote: ↑Sun Jul 17, 2022 9:07 pm
Sabiplz wrote: ↑Sun Jul 17, 2022 8:36 pm I don't think Alison is mafia, I'm confident Brad would not pick her.

Unless Brad designed the team to be super polarizing?

Idk

I hate this but I won't shoot her.
You said something about quoting something from brad about Alison from a spec chat. Can you quote that? Also, I've noticed you sometimes ask if you should do something rather than just doing it. Up to you, but I recommend you just do things if you think they will help.
Well it was

The issue is that also like...if Alison didn't out being Ariel who literally tried to bus instantly in a recent game I might've had an easier time town kicking her
But I guess it helps us figure out now that she flipped that she busses.

Also im sorry about being wrong in her
I don't see how that quote from Brad could give Sabi as strong of a town!Alison read as they had. I can't tell if this is just outed wolf whose narrative doesn't stand up to scrutiny or if Sabi's knowledge of Brad is making them think they know Limecoke better than they do (by LC here I mean specifically Brad playing on TS, rather than Brad in general).

It gave me that strong feeling because it was part of his general feelings about her mafia game. I clearly misread him in regards to this.

Cape90 wrote: ↑Mon Jul 18, 2022 4:49 pm
Sabiplz wrote: ↑Sat Jul 16, 2022 12:10 pm Cape posts yesterday were good and he's easy for me to read.
How do you read me as mafia then?

You have literally never expressed this POV in any of the turbos we have completed together

I have expressed this before in turbos and in the mafia scum game. I said you were super easy to read. Should I drag that comment out? I have only seen you mafia less than a handful of times so I am not that great at scumread ing you but I can find you as town. You have been towny to me like in the mafia scum game.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Mon Jul 18, 2022 2:17 pm
Sabiplz wrote: ↑Mon Jul 18, 2022 1:55 pm I can't tell if Dunya not knowing Alison was ita'd is out of touch town or a wolf trying to fake a town slip. Anyone familar with them, which one is more plausible?
It's not outside her wolf range fwiw.

@Jackofhearts2005 how do you feel about this then. What is your read?

I can't tell if Dunya not knowing Alison was ita'd is out of touch town or a wolf trying to fake a town slip. Anyone familar with them, which one is more plausible?

Shending_Help wrote: ↑Mon Jul 18, 2022 8:48 am
Marmot wrote: ↑Mon Jul 18, 2022 8:39 am 2) I have a single Day 2 vig shot, and plan on using it after the second ITA window closes.
That's very Pog.

In other news: I'm like halfway through my re-read of the game, and my current towncore is:

Me
Wisdom
Sean
You
Cape
*slight gap*
Sabi (especially if Dya is a wolf, which is where i'm leaning. But *probably* town regardless)

I also wanna tell you that I think you're wrong where you in #199 townread Dya for her post that was complaining about Wisdom's V-read on her being not deserved.

That's a very Dyachei kind of post, but not an AI one IMO.

Anyway, more thoughts of mine coming in a while (that's mostly gonna be me justifying my towncore)

(I'm also retracting my Cop cover, so I don't have Spacedaisy as n0 anymore)

@Shending_Help any reason why you changed your mind on me?

@DrWilgy you haven't interacted with me but you silently voted for me. May I ask what is your read on me?

I dunno how to feel about the dya/wisdom interaction. Dya mentioned twice, iirc, that they struggle to read HK and me on day one before hk flip so it's not like they were hard defending either of us.

I also don't get why I'm getting scumread. What is the scum motivation of me defending a mafia Goon with no power over a mafia player with power? That world view doesn't make sense.

Seanzie wrote: ↑Sun Jul 17, 2022 9:07 pm
Sabiplz wrote: ↑Sun Jul 17, 2022 8:36 pm I don't think Alison is mafia, I'm confident Brad would not pick her.

Unless Brad designed the team to be super polarizing?

Idk

I hate this but I won't shoot her.
You said something about quoting something from brad about Alison from a spec chat. Can you quote that? Also, I've noticed you sometimes ask if you should do something rather than just doing it. Up to you, but I recommend you just do things if you think they will help.

Well it was

The issue is that also like...if Alison didn't out being Ariel who literally tried to bus instantly in a recent game I might've had an easier time town kicking her

But I guess it helps us figure out now that she flipped that she busses.

Also im sorry about being wrong in her

I don't think Alison is mafia, I'm confident Brad would not pick her.

Unless Brad designed the team to be super polarizing?

Idk

I hate this but I won't shoot her.

Seanzie wrote: ↑Sun Jul 17, 2022 8:04 pm
Sabiplz wrote: ↑Sun Jul 17, 2022 8:00 pm
Seanzie wrote: ↑Sun Jul 17, 2022 7:56 pm @Sabiplz did you think about the fact that there were ITAs before you started to push me this SoD, or no?
No. I'm saving my shot for ita2. I didn't even know there were ita. I had my post ready for when HK flipped and I reread eod. Nice try tho with the bad faith push
I don't care about your shot. I'm curious if you considered the potential ramifications of making a push early on today after you read the SoD post.

Once again no. I didn't think anyone would listen to me to be quite frank. All I want is to find scum and you outted during eod.

Why are there ita in a non mash game?

Seanzie wrote: ↑Sun Jul 17, 2022 7:56 pm @Sabiplz did you think about the fact that there were ITAs before you started to push me this SoD, or no?

No. I'm saving my shot for ita2. I didn't even know there were ita. I had my post ready for when HK flipped and I reread eod. Nice try tho with the bad faith push

Shending_Help wrote: ↑Sun Jul 17, 2022 7:28 pm I will say that in the world where Sabi / HK ARE w/w i'd expect sabi to play d2 exactly like they currently are, to make use of the current situation before things gets cleared up

But i could see it if they're V too

I really don't like how hedgey you are being in regards to me. I think that's the right term. You framed me twice at this start of day as wolf and then backed out of it. You planted the seads of tinfoil about me. I know this strategy and its rather annoying.

Marmot wrote: ↑Sun Jul 17, 2022 7:25 pm Do you plan to share results Sabi?

Given that this game has 6? mafia players in it, there's still a decent chance that one or any of the cw's were also scum while so many are still alive.

I may or may not make it back in time for the first ita window, but the people I'd support ita'ing in this first window are:

Sean: bad pushes and lack of progression on them day 1
Jack: strong wolf, and offered minimal day 1 content
Falcon: offered even less content than jack

I'm open to others too, but I haven't paid attention to a number of players. Dya and Spacedaisy are nulls to me atm.

Given sabi's hand in flipping a scum pr, we should keep her alive.

@Seanzie what was your thought process at eod yesterday?

Do Roleblocker get results because Nook hasn't said anything to me if my action worked or not? Kinda confused? I haven't rolled Roleblocker on mu but on my homesite the role isn't informed if it worked or didn't.

@Marmot hypothetical time because I learned stuff in my last mash:

If Sean gets hit and flips, V then who do we go to next? If he flips w, then who is next?
Same for Jack and falcon (I guess less him because uh no content).

Seanzie wrote: ↑Sun Jul 17, 2022 7:16 pm
Sabiplz wrote: ↑Sun Jul 17, 2022 7:10 pm
Seanzie wrote: ↑Sun Jul 17, 2022 7:06 pm
Sabiplz wrote: ↑Sun Jul 17, 2022 7:05 pm First off: super glad my read on hk was accurate and correct.

Second off:

Seanzie wrote: ↑Sat Jul 16, 2022 6:59 pm
Marmot wrote: ↑Sat Jul 16, 2022 6:58 pm
Seanzie wrote: ↑Sat Jul 16, 2022 6:57 pm I really think Sabi should be the elim.
She claimed PR though
Yeah, I don't believe it.
So @Seanzie i want to talk about this.

Third off: Also @Shending_Help lets chat about your eod.

Fourth off: I am so ready for this game. Feels good when my read was correct.

Let's goooooooo
Then talk.
Why did you push for my Elim to kill off the wagon on falcon and HK?

Why after pushing people to go on my wagon you decided at the very last minute to vote HK? That was in the bussing time zone.

Why didn't you believe my claim?

Your whole eod is a mess and is super wolfu.
Falcon was not a valid wagon, it was a flashwagon, and a bad one at that (regardless of Falcon's alignment). You and HK were the D1 wagons. "to kill off the wagon on falcon and HK" that's a funny way to say "to kill Sabiplz". By funny I mean wolfy.

Pretty sure if you read the thread you know the answer to this. Do you not believe my initial reason?

Timing, the fact that mafia knows all roles so fakeclaims are expected, and the fact that afaik Rondo doesn't know you.

Last I checked you were protecting a wolf from being killed? I was on hk once I started posting in this game. Yiu can check my vote history in my mafia games I don't ever vote my mafia partners ever because I don't believe in bussing esp not someone with a useful power like his.

Your eod is a mess and was beyond scummy. Don't omgus me on this. If you believed I was lying why didn't you just stick to my wagon then? Why did you hope on hk at the last second? Did you want it for credit?

Seanzie wrote: ↑Sun Jul 17, 2022 7:06 pm
Sabiplz wrote: ↑Sun Jul 17, 2022 7:05 pm First off: super glad my read on hk was accurate and correct.

Second off:

Seanzie wrote: ↑Sat Jul 16, 2022 6:59 pm
Marmot wrote: ↑Sat Jul 16, 2022 6:58 pm
Seanzie wrote: ↑Sat Jul 16, 2022 6:57 pm I really think Sabi should be the elim.
She claimed PR though
Yeah, I don't believe it.
So @Seanzie i want to talk about this.

Third off: Also @Shending_Help lets chat about your eod.

Fourth off: I am so ready for this game. Feels good when my read was correct.

Let's goooooooo
Then talk.

Why did you push for my Elim to kill off the wagon on falcon and HK?

Why after pushing people to go on my wagon you decided at the very last minute to vote HK? That was in the bussing time zone.

Why didn't you believe my claim?

Your whole eod is a mess and is super wolfu.

First off: super glad my read on hk was accurate and correct.

Second off:

Seanzie wrote: ↑Sat Jul 16, 2022 6:59 pm
Marmot wrote: ↑Sat Jul 16, 2022 6:58 pm
Seanzie wrote: ↑Sat Jul 16, 2022 6:57 pm I really think Sabi should be the elim.
She claimed PR though
Yeah, I don't believe it.

So @Seanzie i want to talk about this.

Third off: Also @Shending_Help lets chat about your eod.

Fourth off: I am so ready for this game. Feels good when my read was correct.

Let's goooooooo

I'm the Town Roleblocker. Pretty meh pr. Not really worth saving so if you want to yeet it's ok

Do I need to claim

Shending_Help wrote: ↑Sat Jul 16, 2022 4:05 pm
Sabiplz wrote: ↑Sat Jul 16, 2022 3:58 pm
Shending_Help wrote: ↑Sat Jul 16, 2022 3:51 pm
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Sabiplz wrote: ↑Sat Jul 16, 2022 1:21 pm
Shending_Help wrote: ↑Sat Jul 16, 2022 6:09 am
Sabiplz wrote: ↑Sat Jul 16, 2022 1:16 am
Shending_help:

I really like their tone in this opening posts. Feels very nature and genuine.

Shending_Help wrote: ↑Fri Jul 15, 2022 2:52 pm Yeah i mean, vibing is what we need rn to get things rolling, hard to go tryhard mode with 50 posts in the thread

And to your response... *fair enough*
I have play a bunch of turbo games with Swede here. When they are wolf they have difficulties articulating reads and feel very stiff and safe. When town they are very brazen and loud with their reads. What I mean is they don't mind dropping controversial takes when town. This post below is very much in their town meta range:

Shending_Help wrote: ↑Fri Jul 15, 2022 3:09 pm My spiciest read is that Sean might be TWTBAW

literally just posting "first" and nothing else, and then later popping in with "yeah i can get behind this *votes HK*"

It's far from a solid read, but i kinda believe he'd post *something* else in either of his pop-ins if woofing
Anyway I like this post, very much shows Swede being comfortable, showing progression in their thoughts.

Shending_Help wrote: ↑Fri Jul 15, 2022 3:36 pm I don't have any hard input on what exact players Limecoke/Brad would pick as mafia or not.

But i do have thoughts.

To balance a game like this the PRs / Mechanics that Lime has available to him must be EXTREMELY strong/interesting. Otherwise there would be no point in picking them over actual extra players in the mafia team. Therefore I strongly believe Limecoke couldn't resist picking at least 2+ of those PR / mechanics that he found the most alure towards, to see how they played out while he's speccing the game.

If he was gonna play too? Then i could see him just picking the max amount of players if he thought that was +EV, but as a spec? It sounds much more interesting to see if the OP mechanics you picked could work out towards a win than if a huge scumteam could pull it through.

TL;DR: i don't think there's 5-6 maf. Think there might even be 2 if i had to bet tbh
The last bit about about guessing how many mafia there is feels like a town slip. Yes I think all town slips are fake but this kinda feels real.

All the praise about Swede kinda gone with this post. I feel like as soon as she faced someone familar push back on them their tone got way more stiff. I dunno feels very uncomfortable to me.

Shending_Help wrote: ↑Fri Jul 15, 2022 6:36 pm

With all the hype (!!!) I can't decipher if you're joking or not, but maybe thats by design

But...

No I swear I'm not!!!

Hmm.

I havent actually played a normal non-turbo game with Sabi before so, I'd like some input from others on this progression on me.

1) sabi: "shending's opening rly towny/natural"
2) sabi: “shending is very stiff and safe as a wolf, which is unlike here *shows example*" "he's comfortable, showing progression"
3) sabi: "I don't generally believe in townslips but this seems like a townslip."
4) lastly she takes away all earlier positive thoughts from a single jokey response to a post from Wisdom that she didn't even agree with (that I still read as more of a joke than anything else).

And it's all done in a single catch-up post as well. I always feel iffy when people post a long progression of "oh I'm changing my mind here look at this" in a post that can be edited before posting. Like I understand that townies do it sometimes too, but I think it's rand W tbh. Especially when in this case I don't really believe Sabi would completely drop me down to Full Null (or even more?) from 1 bad small joke post when she was earlier talking so confidently about me having done like 3-4 things she found very towny. Meta stuff as well as non-meta stuff.

My reaction is to just snap kill this, but I need input from other ppl here
I can link my games that's aren't turbos.

I like to show my progression in thoughts in posts. Every day one, except one where I was town pr, I have struggled in.

I also did that post at like midnight after being awake since 6 am and on two cold meds so I apologize for how bad it is.

So like... I didn't really say your post was "so bad" on an objective level or anything

I'm just struggling to see how you went "nope i take back all Shen towncred I gave out from this 1 post" when you had lined up all these reasons why you think I'm town. That's my only gripe with it

And then later on when you came back you still said that I was town for reasons you had described earlier (in that wall-post I assume)

So im just confused. Are you saying you being tired made you type that you took back the townread on me by mistane even if that wasn't the case? Or what exactly do you mean

It feels like you didn't even read my post to be completely honest and just went to the excuses why it was 'bad' instantly when that was never what I said
What I mean is I had doubts on the townread from your interaction with wisdom but rereading everything, I felt like you were town. You and wisdom don't have a partner feel in your interaction.

I apologize for my confusing post. In order of the highest confidence of not being mafia its Alison, wisdom, and you in that order.

I kinda just want to redo everything lol that post fucked me over.
OK noted. I can see this.

Can you talk a little about HK more generally. What did you think about him (if anything) before you went ahead to make your case? What do you think about the wagon formations rn? If it's w/V like you seem to be thinking, are wolves already on you? How many?

Also, In the world where you're wrong on HK, who should we wagon instead today?

I don't have a solid grasp on everyone in this game but disregarding the low posting lhf, I feel like seanize is the weakest vibes I have gotten but he's still null to me if that makes sense. Out of the low posters maybe naa for his self meta to excuse not being mafia (which I can't verify).

Marmot, I have difficulty reading, could be a wolf but I also incorrectly read his tone. I feel like his vote on me was opportunistic vs yours because you had solid issues with what I wrote.

I have weirdness on how the HK wagon started so its giving me some pause but HK iso is bad to me.

I thought his demeanor and tone in this game was aggressive and patronizing. Something I have butted heads with him about. So maybe a bit of that leaked into my case.

What do you feel about HK? How familar are you with him?

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