The Syndicate

i should've just slept. and then you probably wouldn't have snapped today. We probably would've lost in the end anyway, but I do feel a little bad for rushing it

Spacedaisy wrote: ↑Mon Aug 01, 2022 6:31 pm I obviously have no right to say what someone else should do when my snap vote lost us the game.

i mean, considering Cape could've won the game the previous day from just swapping to you, it was I who rly made the game-losing vote. What you did was more similar to cross-voting in limlo

^^^^^During the night you can replace one player (of the alignment you drafted OR who has fewer than 10 posts per day) with another player (i will provide this player, don't talk about this publicly). They will play the following day, then be replaced by the original player the following night (example: brad drafts this ability and uses it on me n2. Mac subs in and plays d3. I sub back in on n3 (announced at sod4), and mac leaves the game).

But again, i'm not very good when it comes to role usage, so maybe my logic is just off

Spacedaisy wrote: ↑Mon Aug 01, 2022 6:00 pm
Shending_Help wrote: ↑Mon Aug 01, 2022 5:59 pm hindsight is 20/20, but i think it'd make the most sense to jail one of me/SD right? Since everyone in the game was clearing Cape, Cape was probably either dying or a wolf. So if you had jailed me or SD and Cape still dies, it's confirmed who the wolf is.

maybe my logic is faulty somewhere, but i feel like targetting Cape prevents a kill for sure, but gives 0 info
He was probably trying to protect Cape

yeah i realize that, but my point is that it gives 0 info even if Cape was town and protected here

I'm totally fine with the design overall. Sure, it's hard for town, but as long as town knows it could be 6 wolves and it's hard-mode, I think all is fair.

the only thing I think was pretty 'uh' was the sub-out mechanic. I don't think that's fun for anyone involved

hindsight is 20/20, but i think it'd make the most sense to jail one of me/SD right? Since everyone in the game was clearing Cape, Cape was probably either dying or a wolf. So if you had jailed me or SD and Cape still dies, it's confirmed who the wolf is.

maybe my logic is faulty somewhere, but i feel like targetting Cape prevents a kill for sure, but gives 0 info

goddamnit

considering the jack kill was wolf KP too, in reality we only misyeeted 2 people this game. Sabi d2 and me in f3. wow

and every townie that used their ITA (minus sean onto Jack) was on wolves too

it's bittersweet but ngl, I'm rly proud of our overall performance here

Spacedaisy wrote: ↑Mon Aug 01, 2022 5:13 pm Frankly, I was just exhausted from fighting so hard here at the end, and when Wilgy was killed and Cape hadn't just voted me yesterday and ended it, I thought for sure the only possibility was you. So I just wanted to be done. I should have waited it out, I know.

nah it's all good. I felt the *want* to snapvote you too

@Cape90 who did u put KP on the night that happened?

Spacedaisy wrote: ↑Mon Aug 01, 2022 5:10 pm
Shending_Help wrote: ↑Mon Aug 01, 2022 5:02 pm You don't have to be sorry, it happens, i misread 2 wolves too. I do think there were a lot of solid reasons to read me town, but I thought the same was true for Cape so lol-me
There absolutely were a lot of reasons to read you town. It's why I wavered. I initially thought no kill pointed most to Cape until Wilgy's claim. I fully expected that the best kill for Wilgy or you if you were wolf would have been Cape and if Cape had been alive, I would have known immediately that Cape was the last wolf. So honestly, I think Wilgy's block hurt us more than helped us. but how could he know that?

that's kinda funny actually

@Seanzie
@Wisdom

i rly wanted to bring it home for you guys, but Cape fooled me good

I think town did rly well to even get to f3 in a game with 6 wolves. That's a challenge

You don't have to be sorry, it happens, i misread 2 wolves too. I do think there were a lot of solid reasons to read me town, but I thought the same was true for Cape so lol-me

this game was far longer than anything i've ever played. im glad its over tbh

dang. gg cape

i was gonna re-check my reasons to townread you tomorrow, but i'd probably not get there either

Question: is the wolf even allowed to no-kill? In IRL mafia that's never been allowed since then town and wolves could both get into a spot where making a kill (in day and night) would go against their wincon

You just bunch all my arguments together to "don't you think wolves do towny stuff?"

I mean... They can?

But figuring how likely a person is to be town based on different things is how i think one plays this game. If we're gonna lump up all my arguments to "towny stuff" and say that wolves do that too, then why even play the game?

If you're genuine and town, then adress the specific points and argue why it would make sense of I'm a wolf to. If you seem genuine about it then I will stop and think through if you could be town here DESPITE my thoughts on Cape/Wilgy saying otherwise

But youre just guilt tripping me by saying I'm playing poorly and lumping up all my arguments to "wolves do towny stuff lol"

I think you're a wolf

Spacedaisy wrote: ↑Sat Jul 30, 2022 2:30 pm Unbelievable. You are absolutely bad here Shen. Sleeping is the right option for a civ.

I don’t think bussing is unheard of. But I am saying, literally the one thing I’ve done was a pretty towny move, and most of the rest of my stuff was just absence. You have not had plenty of townie things that out weigh the clearly bad stuff. And now you’re voting me instead of sleep? I don’t buy it. You are absolutely the last wolf here. The funny thing is you almost had me convinced of Wilgy being bad until this claim and now your vote.

[VOTE: sleep] aubergine

I also can't avoid reading the bolded here as very fake tonally.

Sorry if you're town here but i rly don't think so

I've listed all the reasons I'm town multiple times. Instead of meeting them head on you keep harping on your own d1 vote and abscense being townindicative, and ignore all the things that make me being town pretty obvious.

Spacedaisy wrote: ↑Sat Jul 30, 2022 2:30 pm Unbelievable. You are absolutely bad here Shen. Sleeping is the right option for a civ.

I don’t think bussing is unheard of. But I am saying, literally the one thing I’ve done was a pretty towny move, and most of the rest of my stuff was just absence. You have not had plenty of townie things that out weigh the clearly bad stuff. And now you’re voting me instead of sleep? I don’t buy it. You are absolutely the last wolf here. The funny thing is you almost had me convinced of Wilgy being bad until this claim and now your vote.

[VOTE: sleep] aubergine

You're just choosing to ignore all the reasons because its your wincon to do so. That doesn't mean they don't exist. I do respect the effort though.

I'll be gone for the next like day as it's the last night of the convention and I have the tradition of staying up all night and then crashing on the bus home in the morning.

I might post something at the toilet of something, but pls do not believe I'm a ghosting wolf just because I'll be gone a lot today.

I'm rdy to vote.

You can still sleep if you want to (Wilgy/cape) but I'm not moving again, I'm confident this is the last wolf

[VOTE: SpaceDaisy] aubergine

With me having read the claim and setup for the claim, and considering the worlds where Wilgy is W, I don't believe he's a wolf. Especially with how Space is playing this rn. Feels like a classic case of the last wolf trying to use their earlier bus-vote (and remember, in mafia voting a teammate is very easy to do, especially with a 6 person wolfteam, while making believable interactions to go with it is much harder)

I haven't wolfed in a forum game (not counting Anni) for years, and rly doubt I'd be able to fool wisdom, Sean, Jack, Cape like I would've had to this game. Trust the dead villagers. Trust the spew. Trust the play. Trust your gut. Do NOT trust a single d1 vote that's being pushed over and over for Cred by the one who made it

Happy birthday!

SD is talking like Bussing 1 teammate early in a game with 6 maf is something completely unreasonable, and trying to push that vote cred to the #Max, which is how Bussing wolves tend to act after bussing.

I have varied reasons why I'm town, going from my own individual posting and WIM, to me yelling for an Alison shot that then happened, to cfding falcon d1 which crumbled sabi's wagon, to trying (and succeeding) to force a Dya yeet d3 when Sean vs Marmot was happening and Dunya was leaning towards Sean, to me having very clearing interactions with dya, to Marmot spewing me town, to a lot of the active townies that have flipped calling me a villager, to me being the first vote on falcon yesterday, to me being the first person to follow Sean on Marmot the day he died.

Going over and over "look at the votes on d1 guys. I would NEVER bus in a game with 6 wolves. PLEASE tell me why Im a wolf after a vote like that" falls a bit flat to me. I'm confident you guys will make the right decision

Good niiiight

Shending_Help wrote: ↑Fri Jul 29, 2022 11:23 pm
Cape90 wrote: ↑Fri Jul 29, 2022 8:41 pm
Shending_Help wrote: ↑Fri Jul 29, 2022 3:07 pm Wow ok.

I hope that's a doc saving someone else so we have 2 clears, and not just cape having a bulletproof vest or anything like that
something about this rubs me the wrong way if DrWigly's claim = true
If I'm a wolf knowing I'd have targeted Cape I would've had to have known how this post would look when I decided to post it, yes?

Also woo hurray for it being JK and not a vest

Rational part of my brain: "hey shending, your post looks like you're tmiing wilgys claim as real"
Impulsive tired part of my brain: "it is real tho"
Rpomb : "you haven't even truly read all posts"
Itpomb : "idc deal w/ it"
Rpomb : "at least let me tell them I disagreed with making that line"
Itpomb : "w/e you sissy"
Rpomb: "this sissy is not getting pushed for preventable reasons. Laugh at me all you want Itpomb! Hmph!"

Knowing I had*

English hard rn

Cape90 wrote: ↑Fri Jul 29, 2022 8:41 pm
Shending_Help wrote: ↑Fri Jul 29, 2022 3:07 pm Wow ok.

I hope that's a doc saving someone else so we have 2 clears, and not just cape having a bulletproof vest or anything like that
something about this rubs me the wrong way if DrWigly's claim = true

If I'm a wolf knowing I'd have targeted Cape I would've had to have known how this post would look when I decided to post it, yes?

Also woo hurray for it being JK and not a vest

I saw ur comment about me being V cuz I wouldn't target Cape, Wilgy. I don't think that's true. It would take a lot for me as a wolf to try to swap my world view into sussing Cape for not dying (which I would have to in order for it to be realistic). And I don't think Cape would just ignore why he's being kept alive.

There's many reasons I'm V here (the interactions with dya that Cape quoted is 1 of the solid ones) but I do think I'd have killed Cape here as a wolf

I don't have the brain cells to properly consider why the claim would be real or not, but first instinct is to just believe it and snap vote Daisy. Not gonna do thta tho. I'll try to find some time to catchup on this day (ingame) tomorrow (irl)

FYI, I just stayed up and played IRL mafia at my convention until now (5am). Now I'll collapse and do it all again tomorrow. It's always as funny that IRL mafia players react the exact same way Forum players react when I describe the opposite mafia format than what they're playing to them :
"but without X it can't be that fun"

No theyre both great!

I was so rdy to sit in a painful f3 where I was the main suspect, I'm so happy Cape is around :3

Like my last post suggests, Im totally willing to bet the game on Cape being V

Think Alison spew still makes him V. Think him not trying to misyeet me anytime this game despite others sussing me makes him V. Think his play is relaxed and adaptive, SD put it well earlier in that he's just reacting genuinely to stuff happening (lets ignore that SD used me as a counterexample of not being natural)

Also even if Cape doesnt want to be townread by it, I think him not knowing Alison was dead for that long while posting loads of posts ending in Alison mafia + making the post of like "Oh Alison is dead? PLEASE tell me she was maf"

Even if I still stand by that a maf *could* genuinely not know Alison was dead since not everyone is acitve in mafia chat and Alison was not removed from the VC until much later, that chain of events would still be very towny, since he was casing Alison as mafia in a good way.

If we end up sleeping then I'll actually be home and will have time to ISO dive more before this ends, but a big part of me wanna just end the game today while Cape is still around to prevent my misyeet.

(im aware that sounds sus, but it's my wincon as V too to not die here)

I've already lined out thousands of reasons why I'm town earlier days, so if I need to convince any townie not to vote me I'll just go quote stuff at you

Until then imma just vibe check this f4 and pop in and out when I got time over

I'm leaning Wilgy rn, but could be wrong

(I claimed VT when Sean asked us to claim the other day)

Spacedaisy wrote: ↑Wed Jul 27, 2022 10:39 pm [VOTE: falcon] aubergine

Shen, I need you to please be open minded tomorrow because if you just come in and immediately drop a vote on me you leave it open for Wilgy to hammer me and it will lose the game for us civs. Just don’t rush anything.

Spacedaisy wrote: ↑Wed Jul 27, 2022 10:41 pm God I’m so anxious about this.

Spacedaisy wrote: ↑Thu Jul 28, 2022 1:08 am Alright, the fact Wilgy hasn't tossed a vote down makes me 100% confident now that falcon is going to flip wolf. It means Shen and Wilgy definitely are not both wolves or he would have ended it by now. There is no conceivable scenario where falcon flips town at this point, I don't think, unless I'm wrong about Cape and the last two are Cape/Shen but I don't think that is the case. That's the only scenario in which falcon would flip town now. I'm done being anxious now.

Looking back i slightly like SDs EoD. I think it's believable feelings/thoughts

I'm proud of us getting to here from a '4 maf in 9 ppl' gamestate

(falc being an afk maf does make it slightly less impressive but it's impressive nonetheless)

Wow ok.

I hope that's a doc saving someone else so we have 2 clears, and not just cape having a bulletproof vest or anything like that

Spacedaisy wrote: ↑Wed Jul 27, 2022 10:39 pm [VOTE: falcon] aubergine

Shen, I need you to please be open minded tomorrow because if you just come in and immediately drop a vote on me you leave it open for Wilgy to hammer me and it will lose the game for us civs. Just don’t rush anything.

If I'm alive in a f3 I promise not to insta vote, but Im also at a convention so won't have the time to reread everything thats relevant

Shending_Help wrote: ↑Wed Jul 27, 2022 7:45 pm Whatever. If falcon is town we already lost mathematically so I'm just gonna have to vote falcon and accept the result. I think SD is more likely mafia but it is what it is

[VOTE: Falcon45ca] aubergine

The exception to this is obviously if falcon comes back, but I don't think that is happening

Whatever. If falcon is town we already lost mathematically so I'm just gonna have to vote falcon and accept the result. I think SD is more likely mafia but it is what it is

[VOTE: Falcon45ca] aubergine

Cape90 wrote: ↑Wed Jul 27, 2022 6:43 pm
Shending_Help wrote: ↑Wed Jul 27, 2022 5:59 am Oh and as for why I picked Spacy as my N0:

While we haven't played mafia together before we did talk a bit before the game. And I remembered Daisy mentioning how ppl often misunderstand where they're coming from in games, and I didn't want them to be an early miss-yeet if they were V so I repped that n0

I also wanted to play with daisy
you had a n0 action? If you put in in your defense post against Spacedaisy, I wanted to read everything else before I tackled reading that. I understand you didnt have much time, but quotes would have been helpful

No I didn't. I was just fake repping one. Just like wisdom did on dunya

Spacedaisy wrote: ↑Wed Jul 27, 2022 6:42 pm The fact two wolves haven’t just come in and hammered me yet, should tell you that either myself or Shen is wolf. I know it’s not me, so Shen has to be wolf here. I am VT.

In the world where falcon is W with let's say Wilgy , how would wolves hammer?

Cape90 wrote: ↑Wed Jul 27, 2022 6:39 pm
Shending_Help wrote: ↑Wed Jul 27, 2022 5:51 am
Shending_Help wrote: ↑Tue Jul 26, 2022 9:05 pm
Marmot wrote: ↑Mon Jul 18, 2022 11:18 pm I don't actually want to shoot SD, I have her just outside of poe. I'm just putting her there because Shen asked me to.
Oof
While still on the topic of me, look at this post by Marmot. This Imo gives out more w/v vibes than probably any other post in the game minus HKs wisdom spew

"I'm just putting her there because Shen asked me to"
Yeah, that's possible, especially since I thought Spacedaisy's pop in was rand v today

It could be falcon/DrWigly I suppose but Wigly looks good off votes so idk on that

I think ur reading my post wrong. I'm calling myself town for it lol

Not daisy

I mean it was a slip of the mind, or a mindset mistake, whatever u wanna call it. But why just zero in on the 1 post that was bout you lol. I'm not gonna vote you regardless like I said. Where would u want me to vote?

But I guess logically me voting falcon makes more sense even if I think Spacedaisy is more likely to be mafia...

Because even if SD is mafia and I vote there, we will almost guaranteed lose if falcon is town, since mafia (probably Wilgy in this world) will just tie the vote at 2-2 and win while falc is still afk.

... This sucks

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