The Syndicate

RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Fri Jan 06, 2023 8:49 pm
lucy wrote: ↑Fri Jan 06, 2023 8:47 pm i am going zealot hunting with my ability, zealot doesn't pick a card and essentially they get the death card every night, i find that and i find gold
I kind of disagree, what does it gain us as town? We need to hit cultists. The zealot is the most comfortable person in the game (or perhaps Roxy for reasons stated earlier) If we hit cultists they get less cards so more chances for us to get the 'anti-town' cards that I dont believe are anti-town and we can use them for our benefit. The longer we dont hit cultists the more cards they draw and the less cards town draws

the fuck are cultists?
guess i'll investigate tonight

10 minutes out and that's the fucking split lmao

Alison
6
27%
Voters: sig, Jackofhearts2005, Roxy, Neon, fingersplints, RondoDimBuckle
Baudib1
2
9%
Voters: Dennis, DrWilgy
Bereft
0
No votes
Voters: None
Creature
0
No votes
Voters: None
Dennis
0
No votes
Voters: None
DrWilgy
0
No votes
Voters: None
falcon45ca
0
No votes
Voters: None
fingersplints
6
27%
Voters: lucy, tutuu, staypositivefriend, MacDougall, Bereft, Baudib1
Jackofhearts2005
0
No votes
Voters: None
Kate
2
9%
Voters: Seanzie, falcon45ca
lucy
0
No votes
Voters: None
MacDougall
0
No votes
Voters: None
Neon
0
No votes
Voters: None
Porscha
0
No votes
Voters: None
RondoDimBuckle
0
No votes
Voters: None
Roxy
2
9%
Voters: Creature, Alison
Seanzie
0
No votes
Voters: None
sig
0
No votes
Voters: None
staypositivefriend
0
No votes
Voters: None
tutuu
0
No votes
Voters: None

i am going zealot hunting with my ability, zealot doesn't pick a card and essentially they get the death card every night, i find that and i find gold

yeah hmmm, everone on splints
@fingersplints what's up

Spacedaisy wrote: ↑Fri Jan 06, 2023 7:35 pm
Spacedaisy wrote: ↑Fri Jan 06, 2023 7:17 pm I have been asked this question privately, and I am going to answer it publicly. If the godfather has the most votes at the end of the day, the person with the second most votes will be eliminated in their place.

I apologize for delay, I've been dealing with some stuff since I got up.
Ok, someone pointed out a situation I hadn't considered, which I appreciate. Unfortunately there is a balance issue with the Godfather, so what will happen instead is no chop will happen if the Godfather is the leading wagon. However, once this happens, the night kill will be able to be carried out by any member of the mafia team from that point on.

I apologize profusely guys, for not noticing earlier. Please PM if you have questions.

TLDR:
Godfather/Zealot gets most votes = no chop and the kill is no longer exclusively carried out by Zealot.

RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Fri Jan 06, 2023 8:42 pm
lucy wrote: ↑Fri Jan 06, 2023 8:41 pm
Creature wrote: ↑Fri Jan 06, 2023 8:40 pm
lucy wrote: ↑Fri Jan 06, 2023 8:39 pm @Porscha @Dennis @Creature onto roxy thanks
Why? I thought you preferred fingersplints
in an ideal world, where finger could possibly be unlynchable, i am trying to get a second wagon that isn't alison
host clarified, no lynch no second lynch, just bupkis. Alison will not be lynched

ohhhh, that's quite good then

lucy wrote: ↑Fri Jan 06, 2023 8:39 pm @Porscha @Dennis @Creature onto roxy thanks

@Neon

Creature wrote: ↑Fri Jan 06, 2023 8:40 pm
lucy wrote: ↑Fri Jan 06, 2023 8:39 pm @Porscha @Dennis @Creature onto roxy thanks
Why? I thought you preferred fingersplints

in an ideal world, where finger could possibly be unlynchable, i am trying to get a second wagon that isn't alison

@Porscha @Dennis @Creature onto roxy thanks

@Baudib1 on splints

MacDougall wrote: ↑Fri Jan 06, 2023 8:03 pm It's just really really strange. I don't know how to unpack that in a game where Lucy is being treated as an inno child, and SPF and I are pretty well in our town meta, we're mostly being ignored while the syndicate meme gang all try to kill two players all three of us have been townreading strongly.

I'm just trying to think of a way that the continued existence of the Alison and Baudib wagons exists given the aforementioned and I think the correct answer is that it's either a mix of wrong town with opportunistic scum voting with the,. If Alison and Baudib are really mafia, there is enough town defense of them occurring and town trying to chop elsewhere for the mafia to have easily killed those wagons by now imo.

@Dennis important post

Porscha wrote: ↑Fri Jan 06, 2023 8:31 pm Oracle mother tell me what to do

vote splints thanks

Roxy wrote: ↑Fri Jan 06, 2023 8:25 pm
Roxy wrote: ↑Fri Jan 06, 2023 8:24 pm @sig I did come back, you not reading before giving thoughts is a bad look for you.

Lucy saying I was frozen is odd considering we had exchanges when I did come back and vote
Edited bwop

i was emulating reasoning...

sig wrote: ↑Fri Jan 06, 2023 8:10 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Fri Jan 06, 2023 8:04 pm
sig wrote: ↑Fri Jan 06, 2023 7:58 pm I’m not a fan of this last minute CFD, imo they so rarely catch mafia and I don’t trust most of the people on the splints wagon.
Unpack this lack of trust you have towards each voter please. I wish to see the degree to which this is true.
Voters:
Lucy: she’s a cleared civ, but I haven’t agreed on a lot of reads + I hate the idea of following them for being cleared.

RondoDimBuckle: The vibes are off. I also don’t like the lebel of hypothetical they’re playing at. I recognize this could be a play style clash but it seems like they’re trying to people up.

For example. He asked me which out of 5 are the most bad then wanted me to build a case. Well out of five I gave an answer, but that doesn’t mean I think any are bad per say.

Stay positive: they’ve been super present but I have zero memory of any posts. That isn’t someone I’d want to CFD with

MacDougall: imma not trust you until phase 2-3

Bereft: same as Stay positive but I can’t even recall seeing to them post and I’ve been fairly active.

Now I’m not saying they’re all or even that any are mafia. I just don’t support the wagon enough to change my vote

fascinating insight

sig wrote: ↑Fri Jan 06, 2023 8:05 pm
lucy wrote: ↑Fri Jan 06, 2023 8:02 pm sig, why do you suspect Alison?
I’ve laid it out before but the highlights are

1. Exchange with Roxy didn’t feel genuine

2. She seems to be focusing more on just setting up votes vs finding mafia (this plays into all my points)

3. I agree with Jack on her meta

4. I don’t like that she’s so adamant that we follow your lead here. It seems like a really easy way for mafia to avoid blame for a misvote and if you weren’t/aren’t suspecting any mafia members it makes it extra helpful

5. I hate the idea of voting Roxy since she didn’t come back.

End of the day im a big believer in that the hardest phases for mafia are the first 1-2 everything is chaotic but they don’t have as much to go off of and many mafia players either slank to hard OR go out of their way to set up votes and try to lead the wagons I think Allison attempted this multiple times

2) elaborate
4) why? and i'm curious, do you believe wolves would be super interested in voting out town alison here?
5) why? frozen wolf scenario them not being online is usually a wolf tell, do you disagree?
Alison leading wagons is typical alison play lmao, and why do you think she's setting up votes instead of solving?

MacDougall wrote: ↑Fri Jan 06, 2023 8:03 pm It's just really really strange. I don't know how to unpack that in a game where Lucy is being treated as an inno child, and SPF and I are pretty well in our town meta, we're mostly being ignored while the syndicate meme gang all try to kill two players all three of us have been townreading strongly.

I'm just trying to think of a way that the continued existence of the Alison and Baudib wagons exists given the aforementioned and I think the correct answer is that it's either a mix of wrong town with opportunistic scum voting with the,. If Alison and Baudib are really mafia, there is enough town defense of them occurring and town trying to chop elsewhere for the mafia to have easily killed those wagons by now imo.

signal boosting because these thoughts are ones i'm extremely frustrated with

Creature wrote: ↑Fri Jan 06, 2023 8:09 pm Shit I might not have time for this EOD

vote splints please

sig, why do you suspect Alison?

MacDougall wrote: ↑Fri Jan 06, 2023 7:36 pm This game has all the traits of tvt violence and in a way that would be quite difficult for the mafia to justify getting involved in. Players like Wilgy, Roxy and Falcon are coming across like they have an obscene amount of town self entitlement even if I disagree with them (and was scumreading them), and on the flipside so does Baudib, Lucy etc.

What is the major hypotheses being debated?

Alison is mafia
Lucy should be trusted/listened to
A giant group of players who are opposite aligned to Alison are all scummy/bad/wrong/annoying

What is not being discussed?

Fingersplints is scummy as hell
Kate didn't get any townier at all
SPF's casing of Creature is being largely ignored and if he was town, I'd expect the mafia to be shining a lot on it
Tutuu/Neon capping early
Rondo's weird as hell holding of the Oracle claim

I am very tempted to townread and largely ignore everyone who is giving heaps of fucks about the former set of theorum and want to cast my glare at the people who are more passive at the moment, particularly those whose names are in the above.

fingersplints wrote: ↑Fri Jan 06, 2023 7:07 pm [VOTE: Alison] aubergine

This is a bit reactionary, but I don’t like Lucy’s insistence here it’s game over or “throwing” if Alison is voted. No one person is game ending.

fingersplints wrote: ↑Fri Jan 06, 2023 7:14 pm
staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Fri Jan 06, 2023 7:10 pm fingersplints didnt you just tell me like 24 hours ago that you thought alison and baub were town vs town.....? so do u believe this and ur voting alison for the sake of proving a point to lucy? or do u actually sr alison now?
I did not plan on voting her at the time. I said I thought it was a playstyle clash. But I also think now one of those need to resolved or else it will plague us the entire game. And I like the posts of the other players with votes more than her.
And also yes, I disagree with Lucy’s posts
How can anyone read this justification and think that is legit?

[VOTE: Finger] aubergine

test ig

MacDougall wrote: ↑Fri Jan 06, 2023 7:47 pm [VOTE: Fingersplints] aubergine this is the person I feel is most likely to flip mafia.

giant group of fuckers voting alison means if we go fingers i think alison would die, do you concur?

@Neon @MacDougall vote roxy thanks

► Show Spoiler

be back in 40 minutes, to explain myself i now trust alison's read as roxy is being scummy as fuck
the level 2 reason i switched to roxy is because of the 2 votes already on roxy, since it's looking like roxy/alison wagons today
the level 3 reason is alison's alignment will become more clear after roxy flips, and roxy probbaly flips scum

Roxy wrote: ↑Fri Jan 06, 2023 7:18 pm @lucy I attack it bc it is not credible. It is townie to do. You have no info. You have bad reads in the games I played with you. It's simple.

Now get me elimmed if ya can and no one will ever listen to you again this game.

[VOTE: Roxy] aubergine

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Fri Jan 06, 2023 7:15 pm [VOTE: alison] aubergine

No ties yo

go on jack

fingersplints wrote: ↑Fri Jan 06, 2023 7:07 pm [VOTE: Alison] aubergine

This is a bit reactionary, but I don’t like Lucy’s insistence here it’s game over or “throwing” if Alison is voted. No one person is game ending.

jesus fuck why are you fucking doing the opposite of what i say and questioning everything. if it isn't obvious enough to you by now i am playing this game like chess and you are fucking throwing

why do you scumread alison

@DrWilgy I don't know how you go about social interactions, but i'm autistic so socializing is hard, i come into every social interaction with an agenda, usually for nothing if not for it to be normal

i am good at chess and come into an agenda before "rand"

i am strong at calculating and i've calculated out everything already, i am sorry if this is foreign play to you, but why the fuck are you doing what you're doing?

@Roxy why are you attacking my credibility, that is EXTREMELY wolfy, the kind of wolfy strategy i expect from you

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Fri Jan 06, 2023 7:04 pm
lucy wrote: ↑Fri Jan 06, 2023 6:58 pm
DrWilgy wrote: ↑Fri Jan 06, 2023 6:57 pm Voted [VOTE: Baudib] aubergine to tie it up with Jack. Show me something amazing.
god you make my skin crawl wigly, get the fuck off baudib and alison
This post means nothing.

And no.

i am town, i strongly townread baudib, why do you wolfread them?

Roxy wrote: ↑Fri Jan 06, 2023 7:03 pm I cannot help what happened in game. Your reads were bad

every alignment read i made in the last game was correct

Alison
3
14%
Voters: sig, Jackofhearts2005, Roxy
Baudib1
3
14%
Voters: Seanzie, Dennis, DrWilgy
Bereft
0
No votes
Voters: None
Creature
2
10%
Voters: MacDougall, falcon45ca
Dennis
0
No votes
Voters: None
DrWilgy
0
No votes
Voters: None
falcon45ca
1
5%
Voters: Bereft
fingersplints
0
No votes
Voters: None
Jackofhearts2005
4
19%
Voters: staypositivefriend, lucy, Baudib1, Neon
Kate
0
No votes
Voters: None
lucy
0
No votes
Voters: None
MacDougall
0
No votes
Voters: None
Neon
0
No votes
Voters: None
Porscha
1
5%
Voters: tutuu
RondoDimBuckle
0
No votes
Voters: None
Roxy
2
10%
Voters: Alison, Creature
Seanzie
1
5%
Voters: RondoDimBuckle
sig
0
No votes
Voters: None
staypositivefriend
0
No votes
Voters: None
tutuu
0
No votes
Voters: None

fingersplints wrote: ↑Fri Jan 06, 2023 6:57 pm Why is Rox always dying here if it’s Rox vs Alison?

lynching town alison is throwing, we are not doing that

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Fri Jan 06, 2023 6:57 pm Voted [VOTE: Baudib] aubergine to tie it up with Jack. Show me something amazing.

god you make my skin crawl wigly, get the fuck off baudib and alison

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Fri Jan 06, 2023 6:55 pm I don't think Lucy is wolf siding, but I find myself not trusting what they are saying. It feels like there's an agenda, but idk why.

i always play with agenda, as conf town i can openly express that agenda
i can play every game like this if it wouldn't get me killed

i need to eat, consolidate onto roxy/jack thanks

Roxy wrote: ↑Fri Jan 06, 2023 6:50 pm
lucy wrote: ↑Fri Jan 06, 2023 6:43 pm @Roxy I am confirmed town, vote Jack
Yeah I know but that does not mean your reads are correct. I killed the Dr my first try Abbeville I was left alone. Tried to get you to see Golden as doc but you were uber focused on Kate and we missed 2 nks. Bc you would not listen about protections.

Tbh I feel my read here is far more accurate.

I'm sorry if you feel this is mean but I'm trying my best for the town.

nice one hitting at my credibility lmao
it's not that i believe alison is town
i believe alison's foreign playstyle has titled you, and if the wagons are you/alison you are always dying here and it could be v/v, so i want your vote on jack
and lynching town alison is game losing

fingersplints wrote: ↑Fri Jan 06, 2023 6:46 pm @lucy care to give me a quick summary on why you and others are voting for Jack?

i trust spf/baudib and @Neon
and i don't have much of a read on jack himself
mostly the fact he's the most scumread person that i don't TR

fingersplints wrote: ↑Fri Jan 06, 2023 6:45 pm
lucy wrote: ↑Fri Jan 06, 2023 6:42 pm @Neon @RondoDimBuckle vote roxy, thanks

lucy wrote: ↑Fri Jan 06, 2023 6:43 pm @Roxy I am confirmed town, vote Jack
Why do you want people to vote different people?

if the wagon i create falls, then mafia can easily swing to baudib/alison with their hands being clean

i believe lynching town alison is game losing

i believe baudib is strong town because as wolf he has more trouble posting

optimal play is building 2 wagons here for pseudo wagonomics and so people can't scurry away from one

god that was so scummy by roxy ngl
and rondo's last post + cc was probably town

@Roxy I am confirmed town, vote Jack

@Neon @RondoDimBuckle vote roxy, thanks

sig wrote: ↑Fri Jan 06, 2023 6:33 pm I also wouldn’t consider Mac a strong town voice the more I think about it. He isn’t cleared, he hasn’t led the charge of a flipped mafia member ect,

And while we know Lucy is a civ that doesn’t mean she’s right so is that a strong town voice?

silly statement, i'm strong town when i town, and i'm conf town
therefore i am a strong town voice
if mac is town from rand he's been a strong town voice
but what are your scumreads sig, and i strongly believe you shouldn't go anywhere near alison/baudib so please go off them

sig/seanzie probably town too

baudib is towny, he's similar to the floor is lava game

iso'ed roxy from the last game and this game, yeah i don't think she's mafia

@tutuu i never suspected you, you were just bottom of vc
@Neon keep on voting jack, thanks

Alison should never die d1, baudib is towny and he's playing towny, those wagons suck

jack
porscha
Roxy
neon

@MacDougall @Alison @staypositivefriend try to pick a name here and drop a small case on them and include your confidence, i'll read their iso's among other things

and today i want to choose the lynch because of how horrible the wagons are now, and because of the 5 mafia that exist

spf do u have 2 good wagon options

@RondoDimBuckle on creature for a bit, thanks

RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Thu Jan 05, 2023 9:47 pm
RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Thu Jan 05, 2023 9:47 pm
lucy wrote: ↑Thu Jan 05, 2023 9:45 pm FUCK, everyone on Wigly rn, mafia can hammer alison with a card, let's adjust wagons like that
No one has cards today. there hasnt been a night yet
Also no hammer

a card has a hammer
@Baudib1 back on creature for the moment

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