The Syndicate

i understand the logic of the clears by your vote and all and that it’s optimal and clearing. yet some FM part drilled into me is to avoid ties. which doesn’t mean anything but it’s funny

abbie will be awake, i’m awake, LC/rondo, mac will be awake before eod and leetic is an early riser. tutuu is bulgarian so he’ll be up

oh my sr on scotty still holds, all my solving wasn’t erased

wait LC, who’s ur n0?

LC and rondo are both effectively cops and i’m fairly sure that there’s one in scotty/abbie, and mac being town

LC and rondo are both effectively cops and i’m fairly sure that there’s one in scotty/abbie, and mac being town

oh rondo and LC town, mmmm, also this is a role madness game since me/rondo/lc/pyxxy/sig/abbie/scotty are all pr’s and no vt’s

RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Thu Dec 28, 2023 12:24 am The question is would I drop the gimmick as town?

u would but you haven't started playing seriously yet

MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Dec 27, 2023 11:42 pm @RondoDimBuckle @robyn testing Falcon's reads being accurate outside means voting for whomst?

rondo/robyn/macdougall/porsha/leetic

mmmmmmmmmm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Dec 27, 2023 10:26 pm
robyn wrote: ↑Wed Dec 27, 2023 9:53 pm mac, how confident are you in rondo town, cause he did the exact same shit to me in severance as wolf, as in not defend me even though he could find me as town instantly, as town
I feel less equipped to reading him than everyone else here tbh cuz I haven't been on TS for a fairly long time so my read on him probably shouldn't over factor yours

i'm more so thinking that he's mafia and would like to entice you to vote him

that's also weird as fuck because why the fuck would my two teammates randomly decide to bus town!robyn

as you've seen in severance town love pushing me

RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Wed Dec 27, 2023 10:11 pm Robyn+ porscha+ mac. Otherwise she would be pushing the people on her wagon. Not doing backflips to vote me

mac voting me was encouraging activity, it was not scummy, it was towny

i believe porscha did the same because she got mad at me once for being a potato town in a game

i believe you've done nothing but push town this entire game, and none of your reads make sense to me. as town you should be able to find me and mac as town too and i think it's outing that you aren't

robyn wrote: ↑Wed Dec 27, 2023 10:04 pm [VOTE: Rondo] aubergine

rondo has had a worldview and reads that have just not made any sense to me this entire game, furthermore they've been exactly opposite to mine and i expect rondo to have a worldview and reads that are fairly similar to my own

i think pyxxy's pr claim is either outing and self sacrifice on d2 or rondo is just scum, and i lean towards the latter because my view is that scum pyxxy would give some effort at all. or he would decide to fake reads and stances and all that jazz and phone in a worldview. but he just hasn't

i am pretty confident that leetic and mac are town, they're my top tr's, and they feel like the only people actually deciding to move the game forward

i was extremely busy and a drunkard but i'm here now

[VOTE: Rondo] aubergine

MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Dec 27, 2023 7:32 am I'm confused how Leetic is so convinced I'm mafia if I'm obvious enough town for Abi and Tutuu to be townreading me still.

I think y'all should talk about it.

Same with you @Porscha and @robyn.

i don't think you were particularly obvious expect for those who know you well, you should be near obvious now

MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Dec 27, 2023 7:19 am
☆Princess Abigail☆ wrote: ↑Wed Dec 27, 2023 5:39 am
MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Dec 27, 2023 2:32 am @RondoDimBuckle if you have your vote on me by EOD today and I die the responsibility of solving the game becomes squarely yours.
I think Rondo is a wolf do you not?
If Pyxxy is town yes.

mmmm

pyxxy wrote: ↑Tue Dec 26, 2023 11:28 pm scotty town
Long Con town
DM town

some other names

@Serhal do you like mech?

@tutuu what's your favorite flavour of jam?

@RondoDimBuckle I accidentally left scumchat can you let me back in? Mac is method acting our distancing and won't do it

mmmmmmmmmm

mac, how confident are you in rondo town, cause he did the exact same shit to me in severance as wolf, as in not defend me even though he could find me as town instantly, as town

leetic wrote: ↑Tue Dec 26, 2023 7:53 pm
Long Con wrote: ↑Tue Dec 26, 2023 7:48 pm I think Abbi did it, and I think it has a fine chance of being a Town ability, knowing these Hosts.
Honestly, if Abby really did it then she deserves to die for using such an anti-town ability. Could she not idle? If what she's saying is true, the action isn't forced to go through

this just feels insanely towny

leetic wrote: ↑Tue Dec 26, 2023 6:07 pm If falcon was really killed due to his reads, it would have to be because they were closer than anyone else's. It may be useful to see where falcon's reads differed from people who otherwise had similar reads. Still, I'd probably have to reread the game for that.

incorrect assumption, one correct scum read>accuracy

+ scotty just distanced tf out of thunal and svs in ted lasso

MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Dec 27, 2023 9:45 pm
robyn wrote: ↑Wed Dec 27, 2023 9:44 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Dec 27, 2023 9:42 pm I'm down to give Robyn the keys now.
uwu

scotty/rondo/lc world?
Scotty/LC interacted a lot d1. Do you think it wasn't clearing?

nowadays scum rarely distance from one another, they go and powerwolf and chop towns as a team, you have said this

consider though, these two are ancient players where distancing is actually scum meta

leetic wrote: ↑Tue Dec 26, 2023 6:04 pm Let's look into the standard reasons why townies are nightkilled and see if any of them explain falcon's death:

He was just too towny: Probably not. I mean, nobody seems to have strongly suspected him, but that's largely because nobody was really talking about him in the first place. I don't think wolves reach this conclusion without even trying to pressure him.
He was too vocal/had high WIM: LOL.
His reads were good: Certainly a possibility, we've already gone over who that would indict.
Wolves wanted to throw town off: Also a possibility, as falcon had strong suspicions yet didn't really elaborate on them, which could allow the wolves to construct their own narrative here.
Wolves thought they saw a softclaim: I mean, I saw nothing, but it wouldn't be the first time that wolves saw a softclaim that didn't exist.
Wolves were worried about falcon based on him knowing the wolves well/his performance in previous games: Someone else would probably be a better judge over whether this is a possibility than me.

Another question is, if the falcon kill was unexpected than who would be the expected kill? Besides Mac getting Manti'd, I don't think anyone else has been suggested as a possibility, so a falcon kill at the end of the day might not be that much weirder than some of the other options

falcon is a kill that maintains the status quo, also odds are he had a correct sr

MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Dec 27, 2023 9:42 pm I'm down to give Robyn the keys now.

uwu

scotty/rondo/lc world?

Long Con wrote: ↑Tue Dec 26, 2023 5:36 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Dec 26, 2023 5:07 pm Felt like LC's somewhat hit the ground hard on day 2 pushing the Falcon kill solve in a sussy way.

The idea I should die n1 in all games is flawed. Especially after the day 1 I had.
I don't know how else I would have "pushed the kill solve". I looked at his posts and noted the names. I felt pretty objective about it, especially since I don't know if that's the right way to go. I don't think I was "sussy" about it.

I think we have 48 hours to do this, Mac. I don't think you're in the right frame of mind for Mafia right now. Let's circle back later.

oh, this is scummy tbh

leetic wrote: ↑Tue Dec 26, 2023 4:48 pm You're supposed to be this amazingly townie player, I'm seeing nothing amazingly townie right now.

judging by the posts on the page 20 do you think he's being towny?

Long Con wrote: ↑Tue Dec 26, 2023 1:21 pm
leetic wrote: ↑Tue Dec 26, 2023 1:20 pm Would wolf!Scotty really silence himself after saying he is the kind of player who would do so?
If that's the case, then his dedication to the ruse, by still posting at first, has fully tricked me.

scum points for scotty

leetic wrote: ↑Tue Dec 26, 2023 1:20 pm Would wolf!Scotty really silence himself after saying he is the kind of player who would do so?

i mean, i wouldn't put it past him

MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Dec 25, 2023 8:15 pm
leetic wrote: ↑Sun Dec 24, 2023 11:51 pm Anyway, I do think the way robyn has approached my slot was towny. Wolves likely targeted me with the post restriction to shut me up, and robyn was the only one who seemingly tried to put effort into deciphering what I was saying and allowing me to participate. They weren't great at it, but props for trying!
nah ur mafia

he's town imo

Scotty wrote: ↑Mon Dec 25, 2023 1:21 am
leetic wrote: ↑Mon Dec 25, 2023 1:03 am
Scotty wrote: ↑Mon Dec 25, 2023 12:40 am
leetic wrote: ↑Sun Dec 24, 2023 11:49 pm So anyway, about that post restriction. It was not a part of my role, and it was something that was given to me at the start of D1. It's not like it was something like "if you keep this up you get a cool power you can use", I had to keep it up or I would lose my vote. Given that, it's almost certainly a wolf power and I should be basically lock town for having been targeted by this. (As an aside, this was one of the things that weirded me out about RDB — they said nobody should read anything alignment indicative about my posting, when the very fact that I was targeted by said power should be alignment indicative.) Now it's time to determine who used this power, and it's probably someone who has experience with me being a vocal town leader and wanted to shut me up before that could happen (or maybe it's Abby who did it just to piss me off).

So this was either a one-use power of the wolves, something they can do again, or they can give townies other post restrictions. Regardless, it might be wise to come up with a cypher so that if someone gets targeted by this again they can communicate more effectively. I tried my best, but there were obvious limits.
For probably obvious reasons if you followed Ted Lasso, I would never clear someone for being bamboozified.
In this case, I think i town read you with the takes you were making. I think
Who would willingly put themselves through such crap though?
Did…did you read Ted Lasso at all?

I insanified myself for shits and as soon as I started doing it I immediately regretted it due to the painstaking editing I had to do in each post. And I didn’t just want to post a few times and dip. I had to be believable.

In any case, you were most definitely stuck singing as per the host post, so an ability was most definitely used on you.

And I jived with you on reads. So

this is literally the exact shitty read that scotty gave for falcon that refuted my reasoning, it's stealing credit and just changing the narrative which is strange

okay so, currently i'm here

robyn
mac
leetic
long con
porscha
pyxxy
abbie

scotty
rondo

leetic wrote: ↑Sun Dec 24, 2023 11:51 pm Anyway, I do think the way robyn has approached my slot was towny. Wolves likely targeted me with the post restriction to shut me up, and robyn was the only one who seemingly tried to put effort into deciphering what I was saying and allowing me to participate. They weren't great at it, but props for trying!

kinky

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Dec 24, 2023 5:44 pm
robyn wrote: ↑Sun Dec 24, 2023 5:26 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Dec 24, 2023 5:20 pm Wow that was a terrible chop. I actually had no idea eod was going to be like 2am Xmas morning but my vote on Sig was not intentional.

@falcon45ca how in gods green Earth is a post describing the merits of common POE play "abhorrent" and worthy of being voted? That's astonishing to me.
full disclosure but i only voted sig because you were voting him
If you read my posts you'd see I was townreading him.

i did, but as leetic points out you were on him for most of day so i thought your tr did a 180

robyn wrote: ↑Wed Dec 27, 2023 9:27 pm
falcon45ca wrote: ↑Sun Dec 24, 2023 9:29 am If Mac is a wolf, Rondo and leetic are easy teammates

Why is town Mac going so hard to get MKd N1?
mmmmmm

so mac/rondo/leetic just is not pure

falcon reads this as the team and rondo/leetic currently suspect mac

i'm also fairly sure that mac is town as well as leetic (for his angry posts towards abbie ( trust me i've made many many many angry posts towards abbie))

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Sun Dec 24, 2023 9:29 am If Mac is a wolf, Rondo and leetic are easy teammates

Why is town Mac going so hard to get MKd N1?

mmmmmm

Long Con wrote: ↑Sun Dec 24, 2023 12:53 am @Porscha I would love for this ridiculous argument to be over, but I honestly can't until you understand.

YOU are the one who accused ME of overreacting. I didn't bring up the idea.

You literally said that I overreacted to Rondo's post. Please read the spoilered response I gave to falcon, and then read it again even more slowly, because I can't handle this.

probs town

Porscha wrote: ↑Sat Dec 23, 2023 11:59 pm
falcon45ca wrote: ↑Sat Dec 23, 2023 11:40 pm
Long Con wrote: ↑Sat Dec 23, 2023 10:38 pm
falcon45ca wrote: ↑Sat Dec 23, 2023 9:57 pm Does anyone else see what LCs been saying about porscha?

Feels like a mountain of a molehill, but perhaps I'm missing something
There's some confusion, and some frustration involved. My initial vote... Porscha said everyone except DM and maybe Mac, had "howled". I asked Porscha how I had howled, and I considered the answer "you generally just sound performative to me, but it was also more of a comment on the general threadstate" to be handwavy and weak, and felt wolfy.

As for "what I've been saying", here's my perspective on what I'm dealing with:

Spoiler: show
There are two points that I'm frustrated with.

The first is this progression:

Porscha wrote: ↑Fri Dec 22, 2023 10:56 pmif I dont wifom rondo back then that's no fun lol, I'm surprised you took it as a legitimate answer to his illegitimate comment

Long Con wrote: ↑Fri Dec 22, 2023 11:13 pmDon't be surprised, because I didn't, and it's weird that you'd frame the conversation that way. You said I overreacted to Rondo's post, when your reaction was WHA and mine was considerably less "over" and quite less reactionary. This is the reason these answers are being discussed, you are the first one to bring up the idea of either of us taking Rondo seriously. What's going on here?

Porscha wrote: ↑Fri Dec 22, 2023 11:19 pmI didn't take rondo's post seriously, I didn't respond seriously, it's weird that you took his and my posts seriously (guess we can't all have the same sense of humor but rondo is clearly just shit posting)
...so that frustrates me, because Porscha obviously didn't read my post. It diminishes my likelihood of putting effort into further interaction.

The other thing is this:

Porscha wrote: ↑Fri Dec 22, 2023 8:51 pm
Long Con wrote: ↑Fri Dec 22, 2023 8:47 pm
Porscha wrote: ↑Fri Dec 22, 2023 8:47 pm
Long Con wrote: ↑Fri Dec 22, 2023 8:46 pm

Sounds fake.

[VOTE: porscha] aubergine
lmao I see what you did there
Yes, I voted you, and you saw it.
no, with the whole "people wanting you dead thing"

it's like an over reaction hidden behind a joke
Porscha corrects me when I thought the "I see what you did there" was about my vote, and tells me that they were talking about the "people wanting you dead" thing, which is about the reactions to Rondo's post involving us. So that's why my posts following have that perspective.

Then Porscha posts this:

Porscha wrote: ↑Fri Dec 22, 2023 11:19 pmmy accusation that you over reacted was that you over reacted *to me* and *my read* ... had nothing to do with rondo
So yeah... frustrating.
I hope this helps you understand.

Hmmmmmm

[VOTE: porscha] aubergine
Read long cons iso and come tell me he cares about anyone other than me, to which he is still pushing my read as "fake" when it clearly isnt, and even after he kept pushing me on the rondo remark (when it was never about the rondo remark), he doesnt make a case about me. Just casually asks pointless questions every 6 hours until he sees someone ask a question about me, then he throws his weight into trying to make me look bad off of his own made up reason ... almost all of his content is based around me... if I wasnt trying to give him the benefit of the doubt repeatedly, I'd say he is just hyperfocusing on me cuz he is having a hard time engaging with the thread and found some weak argument to latch on to

mmmm towny (also acknowledging the post mac made where if i am town then porscha likely to be a wolf)

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Sat Dec 23, 2023 9:46 pm Mac appears towny

Scotty appears pockety

oh woweeeeee, my pov

aaaaaaa scotty is my main sr and he was silenced

annoying

Long Con wrote: ↑Wed Dec 27, 2023 9:09 pm I think Mac is probably bad, Rondo is probably Town, Scotty is maybe Town, Abi is a scumlean

so far we have exactly opposite reads

tutuu wrote: ↑Sat Dec 23, 2023 9:05 pm last town game robyn (jay's severance game) it was low wim and got its ass mischopped.

what the fuck, i was one of the most fucking wim-y players and i was leading the post count until town went and fucking jumped me and went straight into a miserable fucking loss because they killed one of the strongest towns in the entire 26 player list d1

tutuu wrote: ↑Sat Dec 23, 2023 8:59 pm robyn is probably town, this is the most i've seen it care about the game since forever. robyn redemption arc? izzit a christmas miracle?

lol? i wasn't caring about the game

Scotty wrote: ↑Sat Dec 23, 2023 8:49 pm
robyn wrote: ↑Sat Dec 23, 2023 8:24 pm scotty can you give me some reads

i don't like know your worldview
It’s quite myopic, to be fair to views everywhere

Ok hmm. Gonna go down the poll.

Robyn: I remember you’ve posted- perhaps a tad laced with agenda? But it hasn’t really pushed me in any particular direction

Falcon: town right now for having similar reads RE rondo.

LC: might be fine for reasons. But that all depends on if I were blocked or not.

Rondo: could be a jester. Actually tho. Could also be a role that wants to die, and could be any alignment as far as I’m concerned. I will NOT town read him. Would shoot.

sig: perfectly fine as D1 chop as is tradition.

pyxxy: when he pops in, it’s like Adam Sandler with fluorescent shirt, baggy pants and backwards hat, and then leaves as soon as he pops in. I don’t associate that with town pyxxy.

Serhal: rookie, would let him try on ice skates before buying new ones

Tutuu: literally don’t remember anything tutuu has said. Probably not a good sign? Or could be my early onset Alzheimer’s. Scumlean.

Leetic: is a good singer. Would keep the bard around. Townlean for vibes

Mac: since initially finding his suspicion of me opportunistic, I think his takes are unabashedly honest. Not as chaotic as I expect from wolf mac. Townread. Would not kill today. Maybe by day 3 tho I’ll change my tune.

Abbi: I don’t have a lot of town things to say here. Not inquisitive and doesn’t feel comfortable in thread. Still don’t know what bad Abbi looks like. Scumlean.

Porscha: town lean. Not meme posting. Using what remember from a recent champs game where she was yeeted Day 1 for far less to inform my decision here.

DM: don’t remember posting. Not damning, but not exciting.

this lacks the seriousness which i would otherwise expect from town!scotty trying to solve the game. he ends up scumreading the entire poe and hedging the rest

also concerning what's not there, independent thoughts and reads that he'd die for

robyn wrote: ↑Sat Dec 23, 2023 8:24 pm scotty can you give me some reads

i don't like know your worldview

oh right, i was suspecting him before being busy

anyway scotty might be a tired wolf after ted lasso, where he described the game as "a grind", thus the lack of effort and worldview. and my "scotty not giving a read might be a towntell" was lacking context

Long Con wrote: ↑Wed Dec 27, 2023 8:55 pm Rondo is giving his reads, just in an envelope of "they're my mafia partners".

Simplified, the partners are his suspects. Less simplified, just read his posts without the self-referential jokes, and you get his reads.

as i stated, incomprehensible, and as mac said "encouraging people to not play"

what reads do you have, LC?

Porscha wrote: ↑Wed Dec 27, 2023 8:52 pm
robyn wrote: ↑Wed Dec 27, 2023 8:43 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Sat Dec 23, 2023 7:58 pm I believe its more likely he would forget this as a result of being mafia and it not being a real read but more of a temporary opportunistic vote.
so porscha/scotty unaligned, nice
huh? what was the context of this?

mac's expositon on you/scotty's argument and i actually bothered to look at it, i hated scotty's reaction to mac pointing out that scotty was responding to porscha

just feels unaligned to me

mac town

scotty is a wolfread aorn

Scotty wrote: ↑Sat Dec 23, 2023 8:06 pm Holy shit you’re right.

Also props to you for not outright voting me for that. I legit forgot I responded to Porscha.

Mac probably town

this does not feel like enough justification to tr mac, scotty should know better, what mac pointed out a taiwanese 3rd grader could also point out

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