The Syndicate

Seanzie wrote: ↑Mon Jun 27, 2022 8:51 pm
Seanzie wrote: ↑Mon Jun 27, 2022 8:48 pm
NateTheLesser wrote: ↑Mon Jun 27, 2022 8:42 pm

I'm around and catching up, I see some pings so I'll start there.

A few miscellaneous marbles that have been rolling around in my head in the meantime (these are just from memory, I can go back and find actual postnums if needed):

@JaggedJimmyJay - In your early post about things we should keep in mind for town success, was that just drawn from spectating this season or have you also played mountainous setups before?
Also I noticed that your "town leader" thread presence seemed to dip after Mac showed up (in my perception, anyway). Was that intentional, or am I just reading something into the vagaries of like, when people can be active in thread?

If Lucy's a wolf, I think she could be with Mac (but I don't think Lucy's a wolf). If Lucy's not a wolf, it's interesting to me that Seanzie picked her to focus on in Mac's list of town leans. @Seanzie - what was your thought process behind making sure Mac knew that Lucy had extensive discord mafia experience? (I also think it's interesting that Rondo +1'd Seanzie's fear that Lucy was being cleared too easily).

@lucy - Pretty early in Mac's thread entry, he said something in reply to you about your wolf partners, implying that you're a wolf. It seemed possibly like a reaction test to me, but there was no reaction. Did you see it at the time? He went on to townread you pretty soon after that so maybe it wasn't relevant anymore.

@MacDougall - How much have you played with Falcon? You seemed to vibe with my unease there, just wondering how much that's based on.
I had thought Lucy was new to mafia for a good part of the early game. Something Mac did made me think that maybe he had misread in the same way as me, so I let him know. I don't think I feared Lucy being cleared to easily; I think she is fine thus far. Instead, I think it is important for everyone to be playing with correct information so they can make the best decisions they can and to avoid misunderstandings that arise from misinformation.
Oh, I misread part of your initial post which made me not respond to something I should have.

As far as why I asked Mac about Lucy specifically was because Mac said something like "Everyone here has done something that I'd expect of them if they were town", and listed a bunch of people that I know Mac knows well, and then Lucy, which I thought it was very likely that Mac had never played with Lucy since I kinda doubt Mac plays discord games and I don't think he was in Champs. So Mac saying Lucy had done something he'd expect Lucy to do as if he had meta on Lucy raised a red flag in my brain.

Yeah, it's a good thought (what expectations would he have for someone he doesn't know).

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Mon Jun 27, 2022 10:38 am
NateTheLesser wrote: ↑Mon Jun 27, 2022 1:40 am Doing this for now
[VOTE: falcon] aubergine

Maybe a weird read. But the one game I have with him he was more pure shitpost-y and difficult for me to get a read either way on. Here it's "shitpost-y" interspersed with like actual reads, which is throwing me off.
This is def a weird read, given you're using meta when I've played exactly 1 game with you

It's the thin gruel of day 1, yes.

I'm around and catching up, I see some pings so I'll start there.

A few miscellaneous marbles that have been rolling around in my head in the meantime (these are just from memory, I can go back and find actual postnums if needed):

@JaggedJimmyJay - In your early post about things we should keep in mind for town success, was that just drawn from spectating this season or have you also played mountainous setups before?
Also I noticed that your "town leader" thread presence seemed to dip after Mac showed up (in my perception, anyway). Was that intentional, or am I just reading something into the vagaries of like, when people can be active in thread?

If Lucy's a wolf, I think she could be with Mac (but I don't think Lucy's a wolf). If Lucy's not a wolf, it's interesting to me that Seanzie picked her to focus on in Mac's list of town leans. @Seanzie - what was your thought process behind making sure Mac knew that Lucy had extensive discord mafia experience? (I also think it's interesting that Rondo +1'd Seanzie's fear that Lucy was being cleared too easily).

@lucy - Pretty early in Mac's thread entry, he said something in reply to you about your wolf partners, implying that you're a wolf. It seemed possibly like a reaction test to me, but there was no reaction. Did you see it at the time? He went on to townread you pretty soon after that so maybe it wasn't relevant anymore.

@MacDougall - How much have you played with Falcon? You seemed to vibe with my unease there, just wondering how much that's based on.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Jun 27, 2022 2:57 am
NateTheLesser wrote: ↑Mon Jun 27, 2022 2:50 am I vibe with the discomfort, though. It seems pretty common on MU to offer early reads on the whole player list, which is foreign to me.
Speaking for myself, I like making day 1 reads because:

1. It causes people to do shit
2. My ability to make reads doesn't require heaps of content and tbh sometimes it's hindered by it... I would say in the main my reads have an arc curve in terms of accuracy. They start off good, get worse during mid game, and then get good at endgame lol.

Yeah. I guess I'm pro-"day 1 reads", anti-"day 1 reads for the sake of having a read". It can be difficult to tell the difference between a read that feels fake because a wolf is trying to appear uninformed, and a read that feels fake because a townie felt like they should have an opinion and came up with something.

lucy wrote: ↑Mon Jun 27, 2022 2:49 am
NateTheLesser wrote: ↑Mon Jun 27, 2022 2:47 am
lucy wrote: ↑Mon Jun 27, 2022 2:31 am
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Mon Jun 27, 2022 2:24 am I will grant that lucy could stand to take more stances on alignment
in the champs game I felt super uncomfortable giving 4 very forced reads d1, and my top townread there was mafia. not too interested in giving reads that i legitimately don't have
Being correct is only one part of it (though of course it's nice if your gut reads end up being correct). You can see how the people you name react to being town/wolf read. You can see how other people react to your reads. And it also helps the rest of us get a sense of where your head is at, which is important for deciding whether to trust you or not.
so ur saying d1 reads are almost purely bait?

Not really bait, just information. And it can be useful to look back at later once we have flips.

I vibe with the discomfort, though. It seems pretty common on MU to offer early reads on the whole player list, which is foreign to me.

lucy wrote: ↑Mon Jun 27, 2022 2:31 am
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Mon Jun 27, 2022 2:24 am I will grant that lucy could stand to take more stances on alignment
in the champs game I felt super uncomfortable giving 4 very forced reads d1, and my top townread there was mafia. not too interested in giving reads that i legitimately don't have

Being correct is only one part of it (though of course it's nice if your gut reads end up being correct). You can see how the people you name react to being town/wolf read. You can see how other people react to your reads. And it also helps the rest of us get a sense of where your head is at, which is important for deciding whether to trust you or not.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Jun 27, 2022 2:25 am
lucy wrote: ↑Mon Jun 27, 2022 2:20 am
NateTheLesser wrote: ↑Mon Jun 27, 2022 2:19 am
RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Sun Jun 26, 2022 11:06 pm
lucy wrote: ↑Sun Jun 26, 2022 11:04 pm america, california

RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Sun Jun 26, 2022 11:03 pm
lucy wrote: ↑Sun Jun 26, 2022 11:01 pm
lucy wrote: ↑Sat Jun 25, 2022 9:19 pm

the best of them are similar-ish to forum mafia except people aren’t reading the actual actions of other players, lots of PR’s and very little reads that aren’t based off NK’s and other deaths/failed tunnels/cop investigations. it’s live chat but also 24/24 where people are talking (not usually about the actual game though) and eventually some reads do occur out of live chatting and they’re voted on until they claim/fake claim, clusterfucks. most people make themselves available to talk for a bit more than once a day, there are breaks in actions. and at the end of the game all the active players are dead and it’s basically a coin toss of who wins because the alive players haven’t played the game closely at all, since they’re alive
@RondoDimBuckle
While I appreciate the link, I meant actual physically. Like I am in Australia and Aussie culture is much different to American/European/Asian
Mmmnnyeah nope. Maybe I am tunneling. I need @EnderWiggin to sort me out
A couple Aussies showed up since this post, did you get the cultural translation you were hoping for?
he hasn’t, mac didn’t respond
what was i supposed to respond to?

He tagged Ender as a fellow Aussie to help see if he was misreading Lucy's tone..? I'm not entirely sure.

RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Mon Jun 27, 2022 2:23 am
NateTheLesser wrote: ↑Mon Jun 27, 2022 2:19 am
RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Sun Jun 26, 2022 11:06 pm
lucy wrote: ↑Sun Jun 26, 2022 11:04 pm america, california

RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Sun Jun 26, 2022 11:03 pm
lucy wrote: ↑Sun Jun 26, 2022 11:01 pm
lucy wrote: ↑Sat Jun 25, 2022 9:19 pm
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sat Jun 25, 2022 9:15 pm @lucy, in your Discord Mafia experience, could you describe just briefly how that feels? I have never played a chat Mafia game. Is it a continuously torrent pace? Are there breaks in the action? Do players come and go at their leisure, or do they hover over the chat game all day? Hell, how long is a typical day phase in that style?
the best of them are similar-ish to forum mafia except people aren’t reading the actual actions of other players, lots of PR’s and very little reads that aren’t based off NK’s and other deaths/failed tunnels/cop investigations. it’s live chat but also 24/24 where people are talking (not usually about the actual game though) and eventually some reads do occur out of live chatting and they’re voted on until they claim/fake claim, clusterfucks. most people make themselves available to talk for a bit more than once a day, there are breaks in actions. and at the end of the game all the active players are dead and it’s basically a coin toss of who wins because the alive players haven’t played the game closely at all, since they’re alive
@RondoDimBuckle
While I appreciate the link, I meant actual physically. Like I am in Australia and Aussie culture is much different to American/European/Asian
Mmmnnyeah nope. Maybe I am tunneling. I need @EnderWiggin to sort me out
A couple Aussies showed up since this post, did you get the cultural translation you were hoping for?
Negative, Mac told me to do what I want but also soft shields Lucy with his list so that is worth some thought

Is that why you're voting for him?

RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Sun Jun 26, 2022 11:06 pm
lucy wrote: ↑Sun Jun 26, 2022 11:04 pm america, california

RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Sun Jun 26, 2022 11:03 pm
lucy wrote: ↑Sun Jun 26, 2022 11:01 pm
lucy wrote: ↑Sat Jun 25, 2022 9:19 pm
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sat Jun 25, 2022 9:15 pm @lucy, in your Discord Mafia experience, could you describe just briefly how that feels? I have never played a chat Mafia game. Is it a continuously torrent pace? Are there breaks in the action? Do players come and go at their leisure, or do they hover over the chat game all day? Hell, how long is a typical day phase in that style?
the best of them are similar-ish to forum mafia except people aren’t reading the actual actions of other players, lots of PR’s and very little reads that aren’t based off NK’s and other deaths/failed tunnels/cop investigations. it’s live chat but also 24/24 where people are talking (not usually about the actual game though) and eventually some reads do occur out of live chatting and they’re voted on until they claim/fake claim, clusterfucks. most people make themselves available to talk for a bit more than once a day, there are breaks in actions. and at the end of the game all the active players are dead and it’s basically a coin toss of who wins because the alive players haven’t played the game closely at all, since they’re alive
@RondoDimBuckle
While I appreciate the link, I meant actual physically. Like I am in Australia and Aussie culture is much different to American/European/Asian
Mmmnnyeah nope. Maybe I am tunneling. I need @EnderWiggin to sort me out

A couple Aussies showed up since this post, did you get the cultural translation you were hoping for?

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Jun 26, 2022 11:38 pm Unfortunately I am immediately anti vibing with all of Falcon's content.

Mmm, I see why you're talking to me about Falcon.

RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Mon Jun 27, 2022 1:55 am
NateTheLesser wrote: ↑Mon Jun 27, 2022 1:53 am
MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Jun 27, 2022 1:07 am
NateTheLesser wrote: ↑Sat Jun 25, 2022 10:07 pm
lucy wrote: ↑Sat Jun 25, 2022 9:48 pm does pretty much everyone in this lobby know one another?
Ender and falcon I mentioned. Mac and I think alison (unless it's a different alison) were in the hydra game. A few others I just know from spectating this year.
What hydra name did you have?
"Mash The Lesser". You died N2 I believe.
You know what, you have a pretty spiffy profile picture. Does that indicate how you feel about Fingersplints?

Huh?

MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Jun 27, 2022 1:45 am
NateTheLesser wrote: ↑Mon Jun 27, 2022 1:40 am Doing this for now
[VOTE: falcon] aubergine

Maybe a weird read. But the one game I have with him he was more pure shitpost-y and difficult for me to get a read either way on. Here it's "shitpost-y" interspersed with like actual reads, which is throwing me off.
For someone who is new to Falcon I'd call this an obscenely insightful read and a perfect description of mafia Falcon.

Town Falcon and scum Falcon both shit post, but scum Falcon makes more of an effort to find optimal paths for himself whereas town Falcon is much more content just wandering the wilderness and landing his vote wherever it may.

"Oh good, I can just shitpost" vs "Oh no, I should shitpost"

MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Jun 27, 2022 1:07 am
NateTheLesser wrote: ↑Sat Jun 25, 2022 10:07 pm
lucy wrote: ↑Sat Jun 25, 2022 9:48 pm does pretty much everyone in this lobby know one another?
Ender and falcon I mentioned. Mac and I think alison (unless it's a different alison) were in the hydra game. A few others I just know from spectating this year.
What hydra name did you have?

"Mash The Lesser". You died N2 I believe.

Doing this for now
[VOTE: falcon] aubergine

Maybe a weird read. But the one game I have with him he was more pure shitpost-y and difficult for me to get a read either way on. Here it's "shitpost-y" interspersed with like actual reads, which is throwing me off.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sun Jun 26, 2022 10:55 pm @NateTheLesser any initial impressions

Feel good about: you, Boq, Lucy
Feel mostly good about: Alison, Seanzie, Ender
Confused neutral: Wilgy, Rondo
Confused negative: Falcon

Everyone else is straight null as of page 12, I'll see if anything shifts around as I catch up.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sun Jun 26, 2022 10:54 pm
lucy wrote: ↑Sun Jun 26, 2022 10:46 pm
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sun Jun 26, 2022 10:45 pm I’m a little concerned about the potential for toxicity. We should avoid using language like “X hates the way I play”. If you have that perception, @RondoDimBuckle, we can and should talk about it. Let’s just be mindful please and thank you
yeah this message is 100% ai indicative, if a stands for age
Lucy just savagely calling everyone old

I’m old

She also seems to equate "old" with "maturity" and "lack of toxicity", which shows she has much to learn :P

RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Sun Jun 26, 2022 10:20 pm
RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Sun Jun 26, 2022 10:19 pm
Alison wrote: ↑Sun Jun 26, 2022 10:18 pm
RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Sun Jun 26, 2022 10:15 pm
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sun Jun 26, 2022 10:11 pm @RondoDimBuckle, Alison has placed a vote on your head. Please talk about that and thanks
It is a thing she has done . I dont really care too much because I knew it was coming and it makes me happy
Why would someone attacking you make you happy?
Because I am a giant troll and love when I can elicit an emotional reaction from people. Ala, you entering thread and insta voting me. Its predictability is food for the soul. It just makes me happy
On top of that. Its just a game and while I take it seriously I am not going to OMOGUS unless I see a benefit and trying to push you back is the dumbest thing I can think of unless I have proof

Does Alison stand out in this playerlist as someone you'd be wary to push? (I see you've voted there since this post)

RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Sun Jun 26, 2022 9:38 pm Nate I dont want to call you out or anything.... But I am calling you out.

EnderWiggin wrote: ↑Sun Jun 26, 2022 8:06 pm What do you like about Boq or Lucy specifically? Is Seanzie slipping your radar or you just don't think his posts are AI?

Boq - I liked that he was reading the thread and replying to things before he made his introduction post. Didn't seem concerned with Making An Entrance.

Lucy - Seems a little less.. intense(?) than her qualifier, a little more comfortable. Trying to get a sense of the player list in an inquisitive way.

Seanzie the most notable thing for me so far was being included in JJJ's list. I'm not saying I disagree with him being in there, just that nothing stood out to me in particular.

EnderWiggin wrote: ↑Sun Jun 26, 2022 7:49 pm Hey Nate.

Can I get you to take a look at JJJ's three clears and gimme your opinion on them?

Sure. Is Seanzie the one you're balking at? Boq and Lucy I feel good about so far, Seanzie I don't have a lean on either way. So if you and JJJ are reading him differently that'll be interesting. (And if I'm wrong and it's not Seanzie you're thinking of, then we probably disagree on Boq or Lucy, which is interesting in a different way).

Boquise wrote: ↑Sun Jun 26, 2022 12:12 pm
lucy wrote: ↑Sat Jun 25, 2022 9:48 pm does pretty much everyone in this lobby know one another?
I am essentially playing with a large sum of players I am supposed to give my "expert" opinion on lmao

Is this the part where we try to get in your good graces? Because I've heard you're a scholar, a gentleman, and a fine judge of horses.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sat Jun 25, 2022 11:40 pm
NateTheLesser wrote: ↑Sat Jun 25, 2022 11:34 pm d0 also seems like a good time for noob questions. Once the game starts, do votes in the thread actually.. do anything? There'll be a poll up top for the official voting?
The poll votes are official. It’s generally good practice (and sometimes required) to also call your votes in the thread with the [ vote ]Name[ /vote ] tags, so anyone who wishes to is able to keep track of who and when.

I'm a vote spreadsheet person, so that's good to know. I'm assuming the poll doesn't have a vote history?

d0 also seems like a good time for noob questions. Once the game starts, do votes in the thread actually.. do anything? There'll be a poll up top for the official voting?

That wink emoji is hideous.

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Sat Jun 25, 2022 10:04 pm
NateTheLesser wrote: ↑Sat Jun 25, 2022 10:02 pm Hey falcon.
Nate, let's vote Ender.

For revenge

lucy wrote: ↑Sat Jun 25, 2022 9:48 pm does pretty much everyone in this lobby know one another?

Ender and falcon I mentioned. Mac and I think alison (unless it's a different alison) were in the hydra game. A few others I just know from spectating this year.

Hey falcon.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sat Jun 25, 2022 9:44 pm
NateTheLesser wrote: ↑Sat Jun 25, 2022 9:43 pm This is also my second forum game, @lucy . (Well, second solo game. I played a hydra game last year)
Please copypaste my question for lucy and ask yourself it, and then address your answer to me if you would be so kind.

Well, I'm not from chat mafia so it's a little different from what you asked lucy. We're the weirdos that play in threaded comment sections. We also roleplay (or most do). But setup-wise it's similar to forum, phases are roughly 36/12, typically open setups with a few power roles, often a SK. Much less post volume than what I've seen on MU, I don't know what's typical here.

This is also my second forum game, @lucy . (Well, second solo game. I played a hydra game last year)

lucy wrote: ↑Sat Jun 25, 2022 9:37 pm nate did you play a champs game?

I did, game 1. Ender(bladescape) and Falcon were also in that game, so it's kind of a reunion of 3 of our final-5.

Different font color for some reason.

RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Sat Jun 25, 2022 9:17 pm The name "Nate the lesser" implies a greater nate out there. Are you afraid of him? @NateTheLesser

There was already a "Nate the Great" on my homesite so I thought it'd be funny to riff on (like a "Pliny the Younger" situation).

Oh hello everyone.

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