The Syndicate

Alright, Spreadsheets

Day 1 Votes:

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Day 2 Votes:

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Day 3 Votes:
(I added a line where the 24hr break was)

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Waterfall:

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EOD Wagons:

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Marmot wrote: ↑Wed Jul 06, 2022 9:32 pm I shoulda done poll snapshots, that would've been useful.

There was a time yesterday when Alison was a primary candidate alongside Jay (and possibly Ender too at the time), and her wagon fell off in place of Ender's. I'm not sure if there's anything significant about that, but it's plausible given that Ender was probably always going to be easier to elim than Alison.

My spreadsheet stuff should be ready later this evening, so that'll help for things like this.

Is this suspicion that Alison was being saved?

Marmot wrote: ↑Wed Jul 06, 2022 9:24 pm
NateTheLesser wrote: ↑Wed Jul 06, 2022 9:17 pm [VOTE: Marmot] aubergine

I've lost a lot of confidence that my early game focus was good, and this is where my gut reassessment is telling me to start. Haven't had much time to re-read overnight, so I'll attach actual reasoning as I go back and check my gut against actual posts.
I would like you to explain more when you can. I'll be honest, this looks like an excuse to conf-bias yourself into voting me.

I will. Whatever this is it's not conf-bias, it's explicitly a change of opinion.

[VOTE: Marmot] aubergine

I've lost a lot of confidence that my early game focus was good, and this is where my gut reassessment is telling me to start. Haven't had much time to re-read overnight, so I'll attach actual reasoning as I go back and check my gut against actual posts.

If Ender fooled me again by bringing a totally different wolf game I'm gonna be pissed (and impressed).

Marmot wrote: ↑Tue Jul 05, 2022 8:46 pm This game has taken on a ridiculous pace and volume, even by Syndicate standards.

There's a new page every time I answer something.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Jul 05, 2022 8:44 pm
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Jul 05, 2022 8:36 pm
NateTheLesser wrote: ↑Tue Jul 05, 2022 8:34 pm I don't think the NK says anything about Creature either way. If creature's a wolf I think it would be more about his teammates than him.
That's kinda what I am getting at. As you've suspected Creature have you given mind to potential teammates?
I think this is an important question @NateTheLesser as it pertains to how much sense your reads make.

Thanks I think this got left on the last page.

I've said before that I thought Creature/Fingersplints had equity (they've seemed to pay more attention to each other than to other slots, especially for people that haven't been super engaged). But they've been sussing/voting each other today, and I'm less convinced that Fingersplints is scum to begin with, so. The problem with a low posting slot is they tend to leave a lot of potential pairings open.

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Tue Jul 05, 2022 8:42 pm If Ender is w, I'm pretty sure Nate is w too

oy

Creature wrote: ↑Tue Jul 05, 2022 8:37 pm I'm getting pussyfoot on the Ender lynch now because of that legacy

Never seen a wagon you've actually liked this game, have you?

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Tue Jul 05, 2022 8:35 pm
NateTheLesser wrote: ↑Tue Jul 05, 2022 8:34 pmI don't think the NK says anything about Creature either way. If creature's a wolf I think it would be more about his teammates than him.
Full thoughts on Ender?

Well, he's one of the people that's compatible with the NK, since Sean voted for him both days. I don't remember offhand if that's a push that it sounded like Sean was likely to come back to if Wilgy was green.

He's been just outside my POE pretty much all game. Hasn't been at all like his scum meta from our qualifier, but also hasn't been projecting town either (which, ironically, was his scum meta). Fits the profile of people who helped along both the Falcon and Wilgy mischops. I haven't seen his content from the last few hours.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Jul 05, 2022 8:27 pm
NateTheLesser wrote: ↑Sun Jul 03, 2022 4:35 pm
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sun Jul 03, 2022 4:14 pm @NateTheLesser I still owe Creature a full reassessment, but my initial perception on Day 3 is that a Seanzie kill may point to a town Creature. Seanzie protected him pretty staunchly, while people like myself and a few others that have been anti-Creature much of the game are still here. I wonder if that represents an invitation for us to kill him without the same resistance.
I think it's more likely that the NK will aimed at direct threats, rather than removing protection for a mischop. Not that it couldn't serve both purposes.
Recalling this, Nate, but with a different question: if the NK is driven primarily by threats, then why does a Creature team kill Seanzie?

I don't think the NK says anything about Creature either way. If creature's a wolf I think it would be more about his teammates than him.

Which sounds about average to be fair.

Marmot wrote: ↑Tue Jul 05, 2022 8:24 pm
NateTheLesser wrote: ↑Tue Jul 05, 2022 8:21 pm
Marmot wrote: ↑Tue Jul 05, 2022 8:16 pm
NateTheLesser wrote: ↑Tue Jul 05, 2022 8:15 pm I think for Marmot it was that Creature didn't know Sean was townreading him? From a skim.

Yes
Why is that significant for you? Seems like something that a disengaged wolf could easily miss.

I'd imagine a disengaged wolf would have teammates that would talk about and notice these things. Sure the wolf team could be Creature/fingersplints/???, but even any other player listed here would pick up on things like that.

I'm not locking in a townread for it, but I think it's more townie than not.

But Marmot, if both Finger and Creature are giving town pings, that means my reads have been garbage.

For the record I'd vote Ender over Jay if it came down to it.

Alison you think Creature's town, or just not a priority for today?

Marmot wrote: ↑Tue Jul 05, 2022 8:16 pm
NateTheLesser wrote: ↑Tue Jul 05, 2022 8:15 pm I think for Marmot it was that Creature didn't know Sean was townreading him? From a skim.

Yes

Why is that significant for you? Seems like something that a disengaged wolf could easily miss.

Creature wrote: ↑Tue Jul 05, 2022 8:15 pm I'm not buying that no wolf would vote me. I know that as wolf I always needed to have a good reason to be voting someone and what better than everyone's punching bag?

For me it was that you came in yesterday asking why fingersplints was a wagon but didn't actually seem interested in anybody's case. And then made two (2) posts in the first half of this day phase. I'm still catching up on the rest.

I think for Marmot it was that Creature didn't know Sean was townreading him? From a skim.

Boquise wrote: ↑Tue Jul 05, 2022 8:09 pm
Alison wrote: ↑Tue Jul 05, 2022 8:08 pm All I know is that Creature sure as fuck shouldn't be top wagon.
i agree tbh

Can one of you summarize the why of this?

Alison wrote: ↑Tue Jul 05, 2022 8:06 pm
Boquise wrote: ↑Tue Jul 05, 2022 8:01 pm
NateTheLesser wrote: ↑Tue Jul 05, 2022 7:59 pm
Boquise wrote: ↑Tue Jul 05, 2022 5:38 pm
NateTheLesser wrote: ↑Tue Jul 05, 2022 3:59 pm @Boquise, where are you at on Fingersplints?
I think by thread state and profiling, she is town. But I am not sure because this is a slot that is hard to read.

NateTheLesser wrote: ↑Tue Jul 05, 2022 4:00 pm And what makes you think she's being grouped together with you?
Because Dizzy and JJJ have grouped her together with me tbh

What is your take on Fingers?
You probably found it in your catchup but I lost some confidence in a Fingers yeet because I think if w!Fingers, Alison is most likely dead last night, or if not Fingers would at least have an opinion on them.
i think this is a good take
I dunno if I agree that w!fingers always kills me. I took quite a bit of heat yesterday, and w!fingers will have teammates who want to make kills befitting them too.

Maybe not. But the second part was that I think she'd at least be aware that you were a threat yesterday and have some sort of opinion on you.

Boquise wrote: ↑Tue Jul 05, 2022 8:01 pm
NateTheLesser wrote: ↑Tue Jul 05, 2022 7:59 pm
Boquise wrote: ↑Tue Jul 05, 2022 5:38 pm
NateTheLesser wrote: ↑Tue Jul 05, 2022 3:59 pm @Boquise, where are you at on Fingersplints?
I think by thread state and profiling, she is town. But I am not sure because this is a slot that is hard to read.

NateTheLesser wrote: ↑Tue Jul 05, 2022 4:00 pm And what makes you think she's being grouped together with you?
Because Dizzy and JJJ have grouped her together with me tbh

What is your take on Fingers?
You probably found it in your catchup but I lost some confidence in a Fingers yeet because I think if w!Fingers, Alison is most likely dead last night, or if not Fingers would at least have an opinion on them.
i think this is a good take

You were prodding her pretty aggressively in the first part of the day, what did you get out of that?

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Jul 05, 2022 7:37 pm
Creature wrote: ↑Tue Jul 05, 2022 7:36 pm
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Jul 05, 2022 7:34 pm
Creature wrote: ↑Tue Jul 05, 2022 7:32 pm [VOTE: NateTheLesser] aubergine
why
He's wrongly voting me + barely receiving any attention
@NateTheLesser

Time is of the essence, Creature, so you should do something with this

I see he's moved to fingersplints since.

Boquise wrote: ↑Tue Jul 05, 2022 5:38 pm
NateTheLesser wrote: ↑Tue Jul 05, 2022 3:59 pm @Boquise, where are you at on Fingersplints?
I think by thread state and profiling, she is town. But I am not sure because this is a slot that is hard to read.

NateTheLesser wrote: ↑Tue Jul 05, 2022 4:00 pm And what makes you think she's being grouped together with you?
Because Dizzy and JJJ have grouped her together with me tbh

What is your take on Fingers?

You probably found it in your catchup but I lost some confidence in a Fingers yeet because I think if w!Fingers, Alison is most likely dead last night, or if not Fingers would at least have an opinion on them.

I'm back and catching up, I'll check my pings first.

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Tue Jul 05, 2022 5:16 pm Who will be able to be here at EoD?

If there's any town left in this game, we need to consolidate votes at a point. I'll be around.

I'm done with work in a couple hours, after that I'll be around for the remainder.

Creature wrote: ↑Tue Jul 05, 2022 4:39 pm
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Jul 05, 2022 4:26 pm
Creature wrote: ↑Tue Jul 05, 2022 4:25 pm lucy is one I went through

Dyslexicon feels like another
Are you able to point to or just recall any particular posts that gave you that impression
The posts in the previous page

These?

lucy wrote: ↑Tue Jul 05, 2022 2:31 pm only got 4h of sleep last night lol

lucy wrote: ↑Tue Jul 05, 2022 2:32 pm interesting alison vote

lucy wrote: ↑Tue Jul 05, 2022 2:32 pm @Alison yodelayheehoo

Creature wrote: ↑Tue Jul 05, 2022 4:24 pm
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Jul 05, 2022 4:21 pm
Creature wrote: ↑Tue Jul 05, 2022 4:20 pm This thread feels like wolves' party
what does that mean
idk

I'm looking at a lot of posts and keep thinking "this could be a wolf with high WIM" especially after we already mislynched twice.

Name names.

Creature, have you read anything?

And what makes you think she's being grouped together with you?

@Boquise, where are you at on Fingersplints?

Marmot wrote: ↑Tue Jul 05, 2022 3:37 pm
Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Mon Jul 04, 2022 11:20 pm
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Fri Jul 01, 2022 1:57 pm
Boquise wrote: ↑Fri Jul 01, 2022 1:35 pm
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Fri Jul 01, 2022 11:52 am
Boquise wrote: ↑Fri Jul 01, 2022 9:46 am Let's have an exercise
If you had an alignment check, who would be your first pick to check and why?
Wilgy

I think that sort would potentially break the game open
Huh hm
In your analysis of interactions, he is in the least amount of worlds though? Wouldn't it be better to pick someone who has equity with plenty of people?
That's a low bar in this game, unfortunately (least amount of worlds). To know that DrWilgy is town would secure me more in my process and give me important insights about a number of folks that have interacted with his slot throughout the game, including those who've town read him. A mafia Wilgy might represent a narrow POE.

In any event, ain't no checks
I think this whole line is pretty damning for Jimmay.

Recall that he did an interaction analysis who showed that Wilgy was not compatible with a lot of people, and had a town lean on Wilgy. The answer of wanting a cop check on Wilgy doesn't make sense, especially with people like me and Alison in the game. I don't understand how it would break the game open, and if it did - THE GAME IS OPEN NOW @JaggedJimmyJay

When confronted about this, I'm not at all satisfied with his answer. Now he is undermining his own interaction analysis, saying it's a low bar to in this game. And he ends the discussion with saying there are no checks, which reads very "no checks anyway, so nothing to worry about".

I don't like this at all.

Plenty of things I don't like about Jimmay. He hasn't asked why Sean died or got into NKA with that, like he did with Mac.
I don't buy his Ender push either.

He's also being weird around Marmot's town case of Fingers.

I don't expect to make a great case on Jimmay here, but I'm pretty positive he's mafia here. So I hope I'm right, cause I'm unlikely to change my vote.

I do agree with you on several of these points tbh.

Although can you talk more about his "being weird on my town case of fingers"? I can think of a few reasons why Jay might act weird around that, but I'm curious why you say that.

But in particular, I agree that Jay undermining his own work seems kinda sus. Why go to all that work if it doesn't provide useful ouput or information to work with?

I know Jay didn't support a Wilgy yeet. He wasn't very vocal about it, but I do know he didn't support it at least.

How was he undermining his own work? I haven't really understood that argument. Seemed like he was saying he'd alignment check the player with the most unpairings, because it would do the most to either validate his work or tell him to throw it out.

Marmot wrote: ↑Tue Jul 05, 2022 3:22 pm
NateTheLesser wrote: ↑Tue Jul 05, 2022 3:20 pm
Marmot wrote: ↑Tue Jul 05, 2022 3:10 pm
NateTheLesser wrote: ↑Tue Jul 05, 2022 2:46 pm
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Jul 05, 2022 2:22 pm
NateTheLesser wrote: ↑Tue Jul 05, 2022 2:16 pm I think NKA can be really telling in mountainous, and I'm trying not to hand-wave away Mac's death as solely "well he was dying N1 no matter what" in case there's something there. More specifically, if I'm the wolves, and I see that Mac's kill list is all misses, do I leave him alive? A forceful townie that you know is wrong can be pretty helpful. In other words, does Mac's death make it more likely that he was right about at least one of Dizzy/Creature/Marmot?
I would say, in a vacuum, yes. I'm just not sure how much "more" likely -- much more, or just "statistically" more. If we look at night kills alone then Marmot is the standout (perhaps Dizzy). Creature is, in my view, less likely to kill Seanzie.

Have you talked about my thoughts on Marmot? I don't mean to keep plugging these walls, but they summarize my posture on things and serve as a starting point for dialogues.
I read it but I haven't talked about it. We're in the same wheelhouse on Marmot, town but with a few rough spots. I don't think he answered the specific questions in your wall, though I saw he responded to it in general.
Can I ask what you mean by rough spots?
Maybe "things that concern me" is a better way to put it. Like, you look the worst from taking the NKA at face value. And you were an important vote for both mischops (though I think your vote switching around them is overall towny).

My vote for Ender was important?

You were on Falcon prior to that, that's the vote I mean.

Marmot wrote: ↑Tue Jul 05, 2022 3:10 pm
NateTheLesser wrote: ↑Tue Jul 05, 2022 2:46 pm
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Jul 05, 2022 2:22 pm
NateTheLesser wrote: ↑Tue Jul 05, 2022 2:16 pm I think NKA can be really telling in mountainous, and I'm trying not to hand-wave away Mac's death as solely "well he was dying N1 no matter what" in case there's something there. More specifically, if I'm the wolves, and I see that Mac's kill list is all misses, do I leave him alive? A forceful townie that you know is wrong can be pretty helpful. In other words, does Mac's death make it more likely that he was right about at least one of Dizzy/Creature/Marmot?
I would say, in a vacuum, yes. I'm just not sure how much "more" likely -- much more, or just "statistically" more. If we look at night kills alone then Marmot is the standout (perhaps Dizzy). Creature is, in my view, less likely to kill Seanzie.

Have you talked about my thoughts on Marmot? I don't mean to keep plugging these walls, but they summarize my posture on things and serve as a starting point for dialogues.
I read it but I haven't talked about it. We're in the same wheelhouse on Marmot, town but with a few rough spots. I don't think he answered the specific questions in your wall, though I saw he responded to it in general.
Can I ask what you mean by rough spots?

Maybe "things that concern me" is a better way to put it. Like, you look the worst from taking the NKA at face value. And you were an important vote for both mischops (though I think your vote switching around them is overall towny).

NateTheLesser wrote: ↑Tue Jul 05, 2022 3:01 pm
Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Tue Jul 05, 2022 2:43 pm @NateTheLesser You seem to suspect both Creature and Fingers. What do you think of my reasoning for them being anti-teamed, with Fingers jumping on Creature near EoD2 instead of the competing wagon, Marmot?
Well, I don't think Fingers could reasonably vote Marmot there because she was townreading him (and he was shielding her). I think it's mildly unpairing that she voted Creature instead of Wilgy though, and that she's brought up Creature suspicion again today. I don't think that vote can't be partnered, especially since trying to seem unpaired is a good thing to do when you think you could be the chop.

My confidence in Fingers being a hit has waned somewhat today, however. Mainly for posts like this:
fingersplints wrote: ↑Tue Jul 05, 2022 11:00 am
Marmot wrote: ↑Tue Jul 05, 2022 10:55 am
fingersplints wrote: ↑Tue Jul 05, 2022 10:52 am
Marmot wrote: ↑Tue Jul 05, 2022 10:48 am
Marmot wrote: ↑Tue Jul 05, 2022 10:47 am Why are the names Alison/Boq/JJJ often being tossed around together? I think I get it, in that they were unanimously townread early on, but I think Jay has had a much more significant impact on the game than either of the other two. Also Rondo and Nate have been more fairly consensus town I think than any of those three.
I have seen luc, Dizzy, and fingersplints all do this btw
I didn’t create the grouping. I’m just making a concerted effort to talk about what the group is discussing that isn’t just about me, and since I was asked about jay and boq it seemed relevant to talk about them as a trio since I heard that group mentioned
Have you stated an opinion on Alison? If not, do you have one?
I do think I’ve mentioned her, but tbh I have no idea what my stance was on her anymore. She’s gone off my radar for the most part.
She feels a bit off but in a way that is probably NAI so tough to read
This does give me town vibes for a couple reasons. #1, if Fingers is a wolf and Alison is town, I think there's a good chance of Alison being the NK last night, or at least in the running. #2, Alison's was the strongest push on Fingers yesterday. So I would expect a w!Fingers to have an opinion of some kind on Alison today, most likely more negative than "feels a bit off." That said, I'm hoping she does some actually towny things.

Still good with killing Creature though.

I do still think they've mentioned each other at odd times, though. Fingers wanted specifically Falcon over Creature when she voted D1. Creature gave her an early townread before she'd really posted much D1 and then hedged it when he was asked about it. D2 Creature entered the thread at one point asking why there was a wagon on Fingers, and then didn't interact at all with the case (which I think is scummy of Creature regardless of Fingers' alignment).

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Tue Jul 05, 2022 2:43 pm @NateTheLesser You seem to suspect both Creature and Fingers. What do you think of my reasoning for them being anti-teamed, with Fingers jumping on Creature near EoD2 instead of the competing wagon, Marmot?

Well, I don't think Fingers could reasonably vote Marmot there because she was townreading him (and he was shielding her). I think it's mildly unpairing that she voted Creature instead of Wilgy though, and that she's brought up Creature suspicion again today. I don't think that vote can't be partnered, especially since trying to seem unpaired is a good thing to do when you think you could be the chop.

My confidence in Fingers being a hit has waned somewhat today, however. Mainly for posts like this:

fingersplints wrote: ↑Tue Jul 05, 2022 11:00 am
Marmot wrote: ↑Tue Jul 05, 2022 10:55 am
fingersplints wrote: ↑Tue Jul 05, 2022 10:52 am
Marmot wrote: ↑Tue Jul 05, 2022 10:48 am
Marmot wrote: ↑Tue Jul 05, 2022 10:47 am Why are the names Alison/Boq/JJJ often being tossed around together? I think I get it, in that they were unanimously townread early on, but I think Jay has had a much more significant impact on the game than either of the other two. Also Rondo and Nate have been more fairly consensus town I think than any of those three.
I have seen luc, Dizzy, and fingersplints all do this btw
I didn’t create the grouping. I’m just making a concerted effort to talk about what the group is discussing that isn’t just about me, and since I was asked about jay and boq it seemed relevant to talk about them as a trio since I heard that group mentioned
Have you stated an opinion on Alison? If not, do you have one?
I do think I’ve mentioned her, but tbh I have no idea what my stance was on her anymore. She’s gone off my radar for the most part.
She feels a bit off but in a way that is probably NAI so tough to read

This does give me town vibes for a couple reasons. #1, if Fingers is a wolf and Alison is town, I think there's a good chance of Alison being the NK last night, or at least in the running. #2, Alison's was the strongest push on Fingers yesterday. So I would expect a w!Fingers to have an opinion of some kind on Alison today, most likely more negative than "feels a bit off." That said, I'm hoping she does some actually towny things.

Still good with killing Creature though.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Jul 05, 2022 2:22 pm
NateTheLesser wrote: ↑Tue Jul 05, 2022 2:16 pm I think NKA can be really telling in mountainous, and I'm trying not to hand-wave away Mac's death as solely "well he was dying N1 no matter what" in case there's something there. More specifically, if I'm the wolves, and I see that Mac's kill list is all misses, do I leave him alive? A forceful townie that you know is wrong can be pretty helpful. In other words, does Mac's death make it more likely that he was right about at least one of Dizzy/Creature/Marmot?
I would say, in a vacuum, yes. I'm just not sure how much "more" likely -- much more, or just "statistically" more. If we look at night kills alone then Marmot is the standout (perhaps Dizzy). Creature is, in my view, less likely to kill Seanzie.

Have you talked about my thoughts on Marmot? I don't mean to keep plugging these walls, but they summarize my posture on things and serve as a starting point for dialogues.

I read it but I haven't talked about it. We're in the same wheelhouse on Marmot, town but with a few rough spots. I don't think he answered the specific questions in your wall, though I saw he responded to it in general.

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Tue Jul 05, 2022 2:23 pm
NateTheLesser wrote: ↑Tue Jul 05, 2022 2:21 pm
NateTheLesser wrote: ↑Tue Jul 05, 2022 2:16 pm
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Jul 05, 2022 2:05 pm
NateTheLesser wrote: ↑Tue Jul 05, 2022 2:03 pm I think only Dizzy gave me a perspective on this:

NateTheLesser wrote: ↑Tue Jul 05, 2022 3:00 am Those who know Mac better, a hypothetical: on D1 he had a kill list of Dizzy/Creature/Falcon/Wilgy + Marmot. I imagine he generally expects to die N1. If he finds himself still alive D2 in this game, does he assume he's only alive because his list was wrong and start over? Or is someone on there dying?

That's really hard to say. Mac's views of games can change severely and suddenly. Perhaps he starts there, but his solving method is chaotic and may not end there. What do you have in mind on this front?
I think NKA can be really telling in mountainous, and I'm trying not to hand-wave away Mac's death as solely "well he was dying N1 no matter what" in case there's something there. More specifically, if I'm the wolves, and I see that Mac's kill list is all misses, do I leave him alive? A forceful townie that you know is wrong can be pretty helpful. In other words, does Mac's death make it more likely that he was right about at least one of Dizzy/Creature/Marmot?
Also Dizzy seems stuck on "why would Seanzie be killed if he was loud and wrong", but not "why would Mac be killed if he was loud and wrong".
I don’t think I am. You seem much more stuck on that than me.

I saw you bring it up with Fingersplints and JJJ, it seemed important to your view of the gamestate.

NateTheLesser wrote: ↑Tue Jul 05, 2022 2:16 pm
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Jul 05, 2022 2:05 pm
NateTheLesser wrote: ↑Tue Jul 05, 2022 2:03 pm I think only Dizzy gave me a perspective on this:

NateTheLesser wrote: ↑Tue Jul 05, 2022 3:00 am Those who know Mac better, a hypothetical: on D1 he had a kill list of Dizzy/Creature/Falcon/Wilgy + Marmot. I imagine he generally expects to die N1. If he finds himself still alive D2 in this game, does he assume he's only alive because his list was wrong and start over? Or is someone on there dying?

That's really hard to say. Mac's views of games can change severely and suddenly. Perhaps he starts there, but his solving method is chaotic and may not end there. What do you have in mind on this front?
I think NKA can be really telling in mountainous, and I'm trying not to hand-wave away Mac's death as solely "well he was dying N1 no matter what" in case there's something there. More specifically, if I'm the wolves, and I see that Mac's kill list is all misses, do I leave him alive? A forceful townie that you know is wrong can be pretty helpful. In other words, does Mac's death make it more likely that he was right about at least one of Dizzy/Creature/Marmot?

Also Dizzy seems stuck on "why would Seanzie be killed if he was loud and wrong", but not "why would Mac be killed if he was loud and wrong".

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Jul 05, 2022 2:05 pm
NateTheLesser wrote: ↑Tue Jul 05, 2022 2:03 pm I think only Dizzy gave me a perspective on this:

NateTheLesser wrote: ↑Tue Jul 05, 2022 3:00 am Those who know Mac better, a hypothetical: on D1 he had a kill list of Dizzy/Creature/Falcon/Wilgy + Marmot. I imagine he generally expects to die N1. If he finds himself still alive D2 in this game, does he assume he's only alive because his list was wrong and start over? Or is someone on there dying?

That's really hard to say. Mac's views of games can change severely and suddenly. Perhaps he starts there, but his solving method is chaotic and may not end there. What do you have in mind on this front?

I think NKA can be really telling in mountainous, and I'm trying not to hand-wave away Mac's death as solely "well he was dying N1 no matter what" in case there's something there. More specifically, if I'm the wolves, and I see that Mac's kill list is all misses, do I leave him alive? A forceful townie that you know is wrong can be pretty helpful. In other words, does Mac's death make it more likely that he was right about at least one of Dizzy/Creature/Marmot?

I think only Dizzy gave me a perspective on this:

NateTheLesser wrote: ↑Tue Jul 05, 2022 3:00 am Those who know Mac better, a hypothetical: on D1 he had a kill list of Dizzy/Creature/Falcon/Wilgy + Marmot. I imagine he generally expects to die N1. If he finds himself still alive D2 in this game, does he assume he's only alive because his list was wrong and start over? Or is someone on there dying?

Marmot wrote: ↑Tue Jul 05, 2022 10:53 am
RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Tue Jul 05, 2022 10:49 am
Marmot wrote: ↑Tue Jul 05, 2022 10:48 am
Marmot wrote: ↑Tue Jul 05, 2022 10:47 am Why are the names Alison/Boq/JJJ often being tossed around together? I think I get it, in that they were unanimously townread early on, but I think Jay has had a much more significant impact on the game than either of the other two. Also Rondo and Nate have been more fairly consensus town I think than any of those three.
I have seen luc, Dizzy, and fingersplints all do this btw
So where should we be looking?
My initial thought is that yes there is a wolf in that group, but that group is being discussed together in an attempt to distract from who the actual wolf is and increase the likelihood of missing if we decide to elim in that group.

JJJ is receiving far more heat from the rest of the game than the other two, and my gut feeling is that means that JJJ is a miss.

I think it was a result of Jay's D1 question about who ppl's top 4 town was, there was a lot of consensus around Alison/Boq/JJJ/Lucy so I think the grouping has mostly stuck.

I have the same gut concern as you, mostly that getting a mischop in that group would be much more valuable than someone who has less thread pull.

fingersplints wrote: ↑Tue Jul 05, 2022 12:47 pm
NateTheLesser wrote: ↑Tue Jul 05, 2022 12:20 pm
fingersplints wrote: ↑Tue Jul 05, 2022 10:57 am
Marmot wrote: ↑Tue Jul 05, 2022 10:53 am
RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Tue Jul 05, 2022 10:49 am
Marmot wrote: ↑Tue Jul 05, 2022 10:48 am
Marmot wrote: ↑Tue Jul 05, 2022 10:47 am Why are the names Alison/Boq/JJJ often being tossed around together? I think I get it, in that they were unanimously townread early on, but I think Jay has had a much more significant impact on the game than either of the other two. Also Rondo and Nate have been more fairly consensus town I think than any of those three.
I have seen luc, Dizzy, and fingersplints all do this btw
So where should we be looking?
My initial thought is that yes there is a wolf in that group, but that group is being discussed together in an attempt to distract from who the actual wolf is and increase the likelihood of missing if we decide to elim in that group.

JJJ is receiving far more heat from the rest of the game than the other two, and my gut feeling is that means that JJJ is a miss.
Who is most likely to be the wolf in these groups?
Alison/Ender/Marmot
Dizzy/JJJ/Rondo
Boq/Creature/Nate
fingersplints/Lucy
Where did these groupings come from?

fingersplints wrote: ↑Tue Jul 05, 2022 11:03 am
Marmot wrote: ↑Tue Jul 05, 2022 11:00 am
fingersplints wrote: ↑Tue Jul 05, 2022 10:57 am
Marmot wrote: ↑Tue Jul 05, 2022 10:53 am
RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Tue Jul 05, 2022 10:49 am
Marmot wrote: ↑Tue Jul 05, 2022 10:48 am

I have seen luc, Dizzy, and fingersplints all do this btw
So where should we be looking?
My initial thought is that yes there is a wolf in that group, but that group is being discussed together in an attempt to distract from who the actual wolf is and increase the likelihood of missing if we decide to elim in that group.

JJJ is receiving far more heat from the rest of the game than the other two, and my gut feeling is that means that JJJ is a miss.
Who is most likely to be the wolf in these groups?
Alison/Ender/Marmot
Dizzy/JJJ/Rondo
Boq/Creature/Nate
fingersplints/Lucy
Ender (although my view of Alison is changing in this moment)
JJJ
Boq
lucy

Did you pick these groups for any particular reason?
Similar posting, playstyle, vibes or just by process of elimination they ended up in that group

Assorted reasons basically doesn’t mean much tbh

fingersplints wrote: ↑Tue Jul 05, 2022 11:03 am But also trying to avoid more common grouping like Alison/boq/jjj

Do you think the people in each group are unpartnered in some way? Like you wouldn't expect >1 wolf in any particular group?

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Jul 05, 2022 8:51 am Let's ISO fingersplints

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fingersplints wrote:
NateTheLesser wrote:
MacDougall wrote:
NateTheLesser wrote: I vibe with the discomfort, though. It seems pretty common on MU to offer early reads on the whole player list, which is foreign to me.
Speaking for myself, I like making day 1 reads because:

1. It causes people to do shit
2. My ability to make reads doesn't require heaps of content and tbh sometimes it's hindered by it... I would say in the main my reads have an arc curve in terms of accuracy. They start off good, get worse during mid game, and then get good at endgame lol.
Yeah. I guess I'm pro-"day 1 reads", anti-"day 1 reads for the sake of having a read". It can be difficult to tell the difference between a read that feels fake because a wolf is trying to appear uninformed, and a read that feels fake because a townie felt like they should have an opinion and came up with something.
I consistently fall into the category of townie feeling forced to post day 1 despite not having solid suspicions. I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again, but I really admire all of you who are able to come up with this stuff right away for sake of discussion. Takes me days to get into a game.

For what it's worth, this is generally a true account of the fingersplints experience.

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fingersplints wrote: Town falcon pretty much always talks about/suspects me early. Him noticing and commenting on a vote of me isn’t at all surprising to me if he were town

fingersplints wrote:
Marmot wrote: I also don't think a team of DrWilgy and falcon would both attempt to simultaneously scumread a town!Mac (in this gamestate).
I’ve been burned by this kind of logic before

fingersplints wrote:
MacDougall wrote:
falcon45ca wrote:
Alison wrote: falcon, what's your Mac read exactly? You've been picking apart his posts, but you don't seem like you're gearing up for a push. I struggle to see what you're getting at.
67% town, I don't think scum Mac would push my ML so hard. I'd say his gut feel is real, it's just wrong.
yeah but like, as town I'm never wrong on you so you shouldn't think I'm town lol
Can anyone vouch for Mac never being wrong as town about falcon?

Gth I’d say I’m townleaning mac, and scumleaning falcon so considering following that vote but I have reservations as I always think falcon is scum and have been wrong

fingersplints wrote:
NateTheLesser wrote:
fingersplints wrote:
NateTheLesser wrote:
fingersplints wrote:
MacDougall wrote:

yeah but like, as town I'm never wrong on you so you shouldn't think I'm town lol
Can anyone vouch for Mac never being wrong as town about falcon?

Gth I’d say I’m townleaning mac, and scumleaning falcon so considering following that vote but I have reservations as I always think falcon is scum and have been wrong
Have you played with scum!Falcon?
Yes
👍

Are you scumleaning Falcon due to that past experience, or what's feeding that scumlean?
Just a vibe based on past experiences and general tone in posts in this game.

It’s not great and completely vague, so I apologise to everyone and falcon. I wish I had more to go off of, but day 1 is rough

fingersplints wrote: [VOTE: falcon] aubergine

I put fingersplints' full progression on falcon up to her vote into a single spoiler for clarity. This moment is very important for interpreting fingersplints and demands a careful assessment. Follow the color coding.

Orange - if we are precise with splints' language, then this comment need not be interpreted as a town read of falcon. Instead, it's something tangential, a base assertion of "town-compatibility" -- e.g., falcon talking about splints doesn't preclude him from being town. This isn't necessarily "better" or "worse", but the interpretation is necessary to assess the progression.

Green - this is, in a sense, a sort of inverse of the orange thing. "Town falcon always suspects me" vs. "I always suspect town falcon". While that hedge is ugly at face value, I think I am more interested in splints' appeal to Mac's read. This alleviates some of the burden of blame given the doubts splints has expressed. It's not my favorite couple of sentences in the game.

Red - mafia actively apologizing to the town member they're suspecting isn't the most typical thing. It's hard to take confidence in such a thing, but it's at least unusual.

We should also note the timestamps. These posts are generally separated by hours, so the progression, if we assume there to be one, primarily exists outside the game thread -- hypothetically in splints' head as she periodically visits the game and reviews. This all transpires within the space of splints' 5th and 19th posts in the thread, so there isn't a lot else going on in her ISO through this period.

The falcon vote made the poll tally 3-3-2, falcon-Creature-Dizzy, with a little over four hours remaining in the day. In that sense it is moderately important.

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fingersplints wrote: Well I wasn’t wrong that when I think he is scum, he is town. :p It was a weak day 1 vote based off of general vibes and tone, so I can see why my vote should be looked at because I think it was a pretty lame and vague vote but just because it’s a bad vote it doesn’t come from a bad/scum place. As I expressed in the post you linked, I didn’t want it to be a tie and no result. While this obviously wasn’t the desired result, at least we have something to work with.

Early in Day 2, Nate took issue with splints' progression above and voted for her. This was splints' response. Her reference to wanting to avoid a tie can be seen here (click). That's a bit curious since her vote made it a tie, and it was still a tie here. I won't scream about that too much since there were four hours to resolve it. Otherwise this defense is exactly ~okay. It's about the only thing there is to say regardless of splints' alignment, and it doesn't make me feel better or worse.

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fingersplints wrote:
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: I'm about to lose the rest of this evening to work, so I hope folks get engaged here. The game is kind of dead apart from my analysis and Sean hating it. :meany:
I like your guys little back and forth there :meany:

fingersplints wrote:
Seanzie wrote:
fingersplints wrote:
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: I'm about to lose the rest of this evening to work, so I hope folks get engaged here. The game is kind of dead apart from my analysis and Sean hating it. :meany:
I like your guys little back and forth there :meany:
Do you have any thoughts on our alignments based on our little back and forth?
T/T

It’s important to not get to comfortable with town consensus, so while I don’t agree with your assessment of Jay but I really like where it’s coming from

This related to Seanzie's interrogation of me. splints liked the back-and-forth, and when prompted called it T/T. I'm wary of that as a naked read. T/T combat is not something to celebrate generally, and I think there's room for TMI here. I asked splints about it later, and she replied here (click). I think the answer is mostly fine. It didn't change her view of me, and it gave her a good impression for Seanzie.

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fingersplints wrote:
Boquise wrote:
fingersplints wrote: Also back to this post

Boquise wrote:
JaggedJimmyJay wrote:
Marmot wrote: Sure
You are appreciated.

The last thing I was hoping to achieve is the classical night kill analysis. Many people balk at the very idea of trying this, and I think they're wrong. Wifom is wifom blah blah, but we're remiss if we don't at least take a look. Moreover, in a mountainous game, at least one of the layers of wifom does not exist -- there are no doctor dodges. So it'd behoove us to review Mac and see where he sat. What we do with that I don't know right now, but we honor his memory enough to give him a voice.

If that's something that tickles you, I'd love to see what you come up with.
I kinda expected to be the kill because I was during D1 consensus town read with no on-going conflicts with other players. Whereas Mac, also highly town read, had a thing with Wilgy that could be exploited and easier to tinfoil because of Falcon and of site history*.

*What I mean with site history is that I am an unknown variable whilst Mac is a tried gun.

This tells me that Mac's reads can have threatened the woofs tbh
Was Boquise “consensus town read”? I don’t have a read on them yet so to me this reads a lot like saying you are town to try and seem townier, but I don’t recall ever playing with Boquise or paying that much attention yet to others mentions of them
I base it off other players' read lists tbh. You didnt read those posts?
Nah I read them. I don’t remember every single mention of you though and my recollection of you was more as null over consensus town, so that’s why I’m asking others.

fingersplints wrote:
Boquise wrote:
Marmot wrote: To anyone who is voting for fingersplints, here's a couple links to recent wolf games from her.

Fargo Mafia - ok this was from a year ago. This is one of fs's most active games I've seen, she spent a lot of time early on talking about pretty much anything but reads, and even her reads were not very strong at the start.
Mafia Syndicate Normal Game - this is from a few months ago, fs barely posted, and her posts were all very short, and she does seem stilted in this one.

I'm not seeing either of these things from her. Yes fingersplints doesn't post a lot, but that is normal for her (and really it's that the rest of us just post way too much). What I have seen here is an almost immediate attempt to generate reads, explain them, and she's also considering how the game will play out based on flips and looking ahead, an approach which appears to be lacking in her scum meta.

I'd call her town right now.
Does Finger tend to use aggressive phrasing as town when questioned?
Have I used aggressive phrasing?

fingersplints wrote: Also thanks to those who answered my question about Boq. The wording is less weird since they do seem to be considered town, however it does still ping me a little when anyone talks about them myself in terms of being so town.
They are still null for me I guess

This is a unique stretch of posts for splints. She may have been, at this stage of the game, the only person challenging Boquise in some capacity. I find myself torn between to seemingly incompatible interpretations:

1) It's good for fingersplints to challenge a player who is broadly town read. That indicates a degree of courage, and a willingness to solve on her own accord without regard for the consensus.

2) She didn't seem to be aware of the consensus, so I'm not sure #1 is applicable. Instead, I have to ask myself to what extent she has read the thread -- less ideal.

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fingersplints wrote:
Dyslexicon wrote: Celebrating my 10000 posts anniversary by mentioning I'm happy to be a part of this community,
and to be floating around in the larger mafia community multiverse.

I still remember how welcoming everyone was when I played my first games here at Cindy Kate! :hug:

Hopefully, we can continue to have fun with this silly or deep game!

Maybe the real wolves were the friends we made along the way.

:cloud9:
Congrats :yay:

A vote for you to celebrate

[VOTE: Dizzy] aubergine

:p

That's a hell of a way to celebrate someone's love for the community. :goofp:

This vote placed Dizzy in the poll lead at 3-2 (over splints herself). This was still early in Day 2, and the vote is presented like a joke (click here), but it should still be acknowledged for the dynamics that make it relevant.

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fingersplints wrote: 4 votes lol
Honestly couldn’t have picked a worse day to take the vote lead
I almost want to lament the real life reasons behind my absence just to annoy Rondo :p
I’ll see what I can do

This is a jovial reception of suspicion. I appreciate you splints regardless of alignment. Keep vibing.

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fingersplints wrote: I also hate that it’s tied me and Marmot. I don’t want to be forced to vote practically my only defender but I definitely won’t make it awake til EOD today

I can understand the sentiment. I'm not sure if this qualifies as a town read of Marmot rather than an observation "that he's defending me". Just making a note for progression.

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fingersplints wrote:
Dyslexicon wrote:
fingersplints wrote: I also hate that it’s tied me and Marmot. I don’t want to be forced to vote practically my only defender but I definitely won’t make it awake til EOD today
Who do you want to vote?
If my vote wasn’t going to end up self pres, I’d probably
Pick creature or maybe Ender due to I felt (and I wasn’t around for the end of day so maybe I’m wrong with this as it’s to the best of my recollection) but I felt like the falcon wagon caught most steam when creature was a nominee yesterday. And less mention of someone in the hot spot always makes me kind of wary. Like where did that suspicion go.

Ender I thought was sounding ok, but my opinion there has reversed. He sounds less confident than I remember town Ender to be and I would expect stronger town lead. Idk he would also be my answer to the question someone posed to everyone who would they check.
When reading his posts yesterday my initial thought was also him and rondo weren’t paired, because they are friends but interacting way too much in the thread. I don’t think partners even friends would be that blatant. But then I keep going back to one post of his in my head where I felt he was almost annoyed rondo kept mentioning him, so it’s made me question that thought as well.
Sorry again cause I don’t plan on going back to find those posts, but at least if I don’t make it today there’s some food for thought for you guys lol

This is a unique perspective of Ender that I am not sure I have seen from someone else in the game -- specifically that he is less confident or less leader-like that his standard town form (I cannot speak to this, as I don't know his play well at all). If splints is town, then this read may reflect a standard example of "POE town-aligned suspect views the game from a unique perspective since they don't have to solve themself", which might also relate to her doubts about Boquise. That'd be a decent thing.

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fingersplints wrote: Switched to [VOTE: creature] aubergine

This vote brought Creature to 2 votes, tied with Wilgy and behind Marmot and fingersplints herself (3 each). She held true to her desire to avoid self-pres voting for her defender. Her vote remained on Creature for the rest of Day 2. She didn't prioritize self-preservation, granted she was away for the final 3-4 hours of the phase.

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fingersplints wrote: @Boquise i wasn’t planning on bringing it up because it’s about me, subjective, and not really something proveable but I don’t buy Alison here:

Alison wrote: The only point of hesitation for me is the fact that she looked weirdly uninformed about the Boquise thing. But I don't think it's clearing - maybe scum chat is dead, maybe she checks scum chat as infrequently as she checks the main thread (which would make sense if she's busy IRL), maybe she's just savvy enough to fake a derp clear. She did fool us all in Fargo.

It's not enough to make me pull back from voting her.
Kinda wishy washy

And I don’t believe I fooled anyone in Fargo. My team was all killed pretty early, I struggled then was pretty much unanimously voted for as I trolled everyone on my way out since it was so obvious? I don’t recall it all which is why I tried to look it up but meh hard to prove. Just seems like the “hesitation” she mentions is forced and preemptive for when I come back as town

fingersplints wrote:
Boquise wrote: (this answers my which and why game question from before)
Why is it wishy-washy, or rather, scummy wishy-washiness?
I don’t know if wishy washy is the right word I was looking for tbh but it’s like she took what someone used to “clear” or “townread” me and discredited it some but with a lot of maybes and references a game in which as I said was absolutely not a strong one for me

Note to self to look back at Fargo to make more sense of this dialogue.

Conclusion

There are some moments here that I think demand further discussion, particularly from folks that view fingersplints as a premier elimination option on this Day 3. Take a look at her treatment of Boquise, and her final voting actions on Day 2, and provide a mafia account for them. I am not saying there isn't an account -- but it's something I want to see folks take a stab at. I'd also like to see folks town reading splints to examine her posts through a lens other than meta. This is a read that we need to develop more effectively as a group. I have some nickle-and-dime concerns around this ISO and would not remove splints from the POE pool. Also, a separate concern not addressed by the above content: splints has only acknowledged Wilgy's existence once in this game, and it was to shrug. She's known him as long as anyone, so that strikes me as off.

Treatment of Boq: by this you mean not realizing he was widely townread? She hasn't had time to keep up with the thread, which is NAI. So the question is whether she would have known about his thread position from wolf chat, and I don't think that's a guarantee. I agree that it's a point in her favor, but it's also possible that Boq just wasn't a topic of conversation.

EOD2: the scumread on this is a wolf who won't be around for the rest of the day and thinks there's at least a decent chance they get chopped, doesn't say much concrete that would point to partners or town clear anyone, and puts down a vote and hopes for the best.

fingersplints wrote: ↑Tue Jul 05, 2022 11:21 am
NateTheLesser wrote: ↑Sat Jun 25, 2022 10:09 pm
falcon45ca wrote: ↑Sat Jun 25, 2022 10:04 pm
NateTheLesser wrote: ↑Sat Jun 25, 2022 10:02 pm Hey falcon.
Nate, let's vote Ender.

For revenge
;)
What has Nate/Ender interactions been like?

Mutual suspicion, mostly. (me/Ender/Falcon were in the same qualifier and Ender won as a wolf, so that's what that quoted exchange was in reference to)

fingersplints wrote: ↑Tue Jul 05, 2022 11:00 am
Marmot wrote: ↑Tue Jul 05, 2022 10:55 am
fingersplints wrote: ↑Tue Jul 05, 2022 10:52 am
Marmot wrote: ↑Tue Jul 05, 2022 10:48 am
Marmot wrote: ↑Tue Jul 05, 2022 10:47 am Why are the names Alison/Boq/JJJ often being tossed around together? I think I get it, in that they were unanimously townread early on, but I think Jay has had a much more significant impact on the game than either of the other two. Also Rondo and Nate have been more fairly consensus town I think than any of those three.
I have seen luc, Dizzy, and fingersplints all do this btw
I didn’t create the grouping. I’m just making a concerted effort to talk about what the group is discussing that isn’t just about me, and since I was asked about jay and boq it seemed relevant to talk about them as a trio since I heard that group mentioned
Have you stated an opinion on Alison? If not, do you have one?
I do think I’ve mentioned her, but tbh I have no idea what my stance was on her anymore. She’s gone off my radar for the most part.
She feels a bit off but in a way that is probably NAI so tough to read

Who do you have the strongest read on right now?

fingersplints wrote: ↑Tue Jul 05, 2022 10:57 am
Marmot wrote: ↑Tue Jul 05, 2022 10:53 am
RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Tue Jul 05, 2022 10:49 am
Marmot wrote: ↑Tue Jul 05, 2022 10:48 am
Marmot wrote: ↑Tue Jul 05, 2022 10:47 am Why are the names Alison/Boq/JJJ often being tossed around together? I think I get it, in that they were unanimously townread early on, but I think Jay has had a much more significant impact on the game than either of the other two. Also Rondo and Nate have been more fairly consensus town I think than any of those three.
I have seen luc, Dizzy, and fingersplints all do this btw
So where should we be looking?
My initial thought is that yes there is a wolf in that group, but that group is being discussed together in an attempt to distract from who the actual wolf is and increase the likelihood of missing if we decide to elim in that group.

JJJ is receiving far more heat from the rest of the game than the other two, and my gut feeling is that means that JJJ is a miss.
Who is most likely to be the wolf in these groups?
Alison/Ender/Marmot
Dizzy/JJJ/Rondo
Boq/Creature/Nate
fingersplints/Lucy

Where did these groupings come from?

RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Tue Jul 05, 2022 8:00 am
NateTheLesser wrote: ↑Sun Jul 03, 2022 4:09 pm Putting this vote down for now:
[VOTE: Creature] aubergine

My top suspect is still Fingersplints for the same reasons as yesterday, with the additional point that Seanzie was pushing her for a time yesterday and is now dead. But I also want some more heat on Creature. I know a few people have voiced a townread, so I'm interested in hearing more about whether it's because he's playing to his town meta or something more than that.
>votes creature
>Top suspect is fingersplints

Distancing but also ready to claim cred if I manage to push her over?

No, I just wanted both my top suspects to be on the board. And as of this post I'm replying to, I've only seen 2 new posts from Fingersplints and 0 from Creature, so nothing's rally shifted in my view there. I see from the poll that you moved to Boq, I'll find that as I'm catching up.

Those who know Mac better, a hypothetical: on D1 he had a kill list of Dizzy/Creature/Falcon/Wilgy + Marmot. I imagine he generally expects to die N1. If he finds himself still alive D2 in this game, does he assume he's only alive because his list was wrong and start over? Or is someone on there dying?

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Mon Jul 04, 2022 11:21 pm Here are some anti-teamings I plotted down while reading. Ask if they are weird

Finger/Alison
Finger/Creature
Boq/Alison
Ender/Jimmay
Marmot/Finger ?
Creature/Ender EoD1?

Why are Finger/Creature unpaired?

EnderWiggin wrote: ↑Mon Jul 04, 2022 10:59 pm
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Mon Jul 04, 2022 10:37 pm
EnderWiggin wrote: ↑Mon Jul 04, 2022 10:25 pm Nate is also super sus for the fact that he has no solid decisiveness about his reads.

He provides those lovely scalding hot lists and then is like "But I'm not sure".

I'm ngl I'm trying to remember if he did that in Quals, need to check.
I posted a lengthy take on Nate. You should tell me what you make of it.
I think it's a decent ISO. I do agree that Nate is logically consistent, which I don't think is entirely town of him but I do like it.

I think that the major thing that sticks to me is how he doesn't have a strong case for anyone. I certainly remember from our qualifier that it felt like he had more conviction.

That being said, there is a certain listlessness about this state of game that I empathise with.

I had more conviction in our qualifier because I was hopelessly tunneled. It does tend to focus one's energies, but I'm trying to avoid that here.

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