Mafia:JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Aug 02, 2022 12:25 am For Hall of Fame purposes, could anyone please let me know who all the mafia were (and independents if applicable)?
Hollowkatt
Alison
falcon45ca
dyachei
Cape90
Marmot
(no independents)
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Mafia:JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Aug 02, 2022 12:25 am For Hall of Fame purposes, could anyone please let me know who all the mafia were (and independents if applicable)?
I thought you 0 posted day 2 so that could be it but I could just not remember thingsSpacedaisy wrote: ↑Mon Aug 01, 2022 7:36 pm I just didn’t fully understand the purpose? Was it to allow someone who might be more active to play for a no show player like myself?
Apologies on this btw guys. I was traveling and I got sick, then when I got here I was swamped with trying to help my sister love for like a week straight. I was all over the place and I didn’t realize it would be this way when I signed up.
im sorry I was asleep at EOD and you are right and I realized that the night after in mafia chatSpacedaisy wrote: ↑Mon Aug 01, 2022 5:00 pm ::sigh:: I hate being in f3 so much. There was no reason not to vote me yesterday Cape, that just feels like torture.
I'm sorry Shen.
You lol.
thanksSpacedaisy wrote: ↑Mon Aug 01, 2022 4:33 pm So wilgy’s claim confirmed. That means either Cape is wolf or the wolf targeted Cape, which is what I really expected to happen. So yeah. Plus Cape could have moved the vote to me yesterday but they didn't. The only answer here is Shen is the last wolf.
[VOTE: Shen] aubergine
was hoping someone would answer this by now because I have no ideaShending_Help wrote: ↑Sat Jul 30, 2022 9:06 pm Question: is the wolf even allowed to no-kill? In IRL mafia that's never been allowed since then town and wolves could both get into a spot where making a kill (in day and night) would go against their wincon
To be honest, I really don't know, literally both of you have townpoints and things I would detract from you both. I think Shen has technically more townpoints, but voting you here instead of sleeping is not great to say the leastSpacedaisy wrote: ↑Sat Jul 30, 2022 7:11 pm Look at what I’m saying and doing here (take away you interpretation of “tone”) and look at what Shen is saying and doing. Which of us is acting like a civ in a F4 situation?
I agree it's anti-town yes, but that's not what you said, you said then Shen is absolutely the last wolf and that he almost convinced you it was Wigly. To me that second part looks like kinda hedgySpacedaisy wrote: ↑Sat Jul 30, 2022 7:02 pmOr what you are seeing there is sincere frustration and knee jerk reaction to a vote that looks extremely bad to this townie. And the fact that the numbers and possible scenario has been laid out and Shen didn’t change their vote to sleep looks just as bad to me. But if you read on, you can clearly see that even though this vote looks like a very anti-town move, I am still looking for info and want to be open to being wrong here. But if I’m frank, Shen has made me really feel like they are wolf.Cape90 wrote: ↑Sat Jul 30, 2022 6:53 pmTo me the bolded kinda reeks of this wolfy looking opportunismCape90 wrote: ↑Sat Jul 30, 2022 6:52 pmShending_Help wrote: ↑Sat Jul 30, 2022 8:34 am SD is talking like Bussing 1 teammate early in a game with 6 maf is something completely unreasonable, and trying to push that vote cred to the #Max, which is how Bussing wolves tend to act after bussing.If I had to choose a wolf here just based off these 2 messages in isolation, it would be Spacedaisy based on what they said in the boldedSpacedaisy wrote: ↑Sat Jul 30, 2022 2:30 pm You have not had plenty of townie things that out weigh the clearly bad stuff. And now you’re voting me instead of sleep? I don’t buy it. You are absolutely the last wolf here. The funny thing is you almost had me convinced of Wilgy being bad until this claim and now your vote.
I think we should see what Wilgy does here and judge from there, because that should tell us something as well.
To me the bolded kinda reeks of this wolfy looking opportunismCape90 wrote: ↑Sat Jul 30, 2022 6:52 pmShending_Help wrote: ↑Sat Jul 30, 2022 8:34 am SD is talking like Bussing 1 teammate early in a game with 6 maf is something completely unreasonable, and trying to push that vote cred to the #Max, which is how Bussing wolves tend to act after bussing.If I had to choose a wolf here just based off these 2 messages in isolation, it would be Spacedaisy based on what they said in the boldedSpacedaisy wrote: ↑Sat Jul 30, 2022 2:30 pm You have not had plenty of townie things that out weigh the clearly bad stuff. And now you’re voting me instead of sleep? I don’t buy it. You are absolutely the last wolf here. The funny thing is you almost had me convinced of Wilgy being bad until this claim and now your vote.
Shending_Help wrote: ↑Sat Jul 30, 2022 8:34 am SD is talking like Bussing 1 teammate early in a game with 6 maf is something completely unreasonable, and trying to push that vote cred to the #Max, which is how Bussing wolves tend to act after bussing.
If I had to choose a wolf here just based off these 2 messages in isolation, it would be Spacedaisy based on what they said in the boldedSpacedaisy wrote: ↑Sat Jul 30, 2022 2:30 pm You have not had plenty of townie things that out weigh the clearly bad stuff. And now you’re voting me instead of sleep? I don’t buy it. You are absolutely the last wolf here. The funny thing is you almost had me convinced of Wilgy being bad until this claim and now your vote.
Shen, if you are town, I need you to understand this is mechanically the wrong move, like we really should sleep here and go into final 3. Like we really can't rule Wigly out just like thatShending_Help wrote: ↑Sat Jul 30, 2022 8:42 am I'm rdy to vote.
You can still sleep if you want to (Wilgy/cape) but I'm not moving again, I'm confident this is the last wolf
[VOTE: SpaceDaisy] aubergine
Cool, so you are repeating what I have been saying.Spacedaisy wrote: ↑Sat Jul 30, 2022 1:26 am
Sleep allows us to see if Wilgy’s claim is true or bullshit, and see who might actually get killed. It gives us information and is 100% the right move today.
Yes I know wolves who do this, don't act like you don'tShending_Help wrote: ↑Fri Jul 29, 2022 11:23 pmIf I'm a wolf knowing I'd have targeted Cape I would've had to have known how this post would look when I decided to post it, yes?Cape90 wrote: ↑Fri Jul 29, 2022 8:41 pmsomething about this rubs me the wrong way if DrWigly's claim = trueShending_Help wrote: ↑Fri Jul 29, 2022 3:07 pm Wow ok.
I hope that's a doc saving someone else so we have 2 clears, and not just cape having a bulletproof vest or anything like that
Also woo hurray for it being JK and not a vest
Wigly, I will be honest I missed and or forgot about this entirely and judging by how Shending reacted, he forgot too so to us it's basically your first time. But I guess it isn't.
Shending_Help wrote: ↑Fri Jul 29, 2022 11:13 pm I don't have the brain cells to properly consider why the claim would be real or not, but first instinct is to just believe it and snap vote Daisy. Not gonna do thta tho. I'll try to find some time to catchup on this day (ingame) tomorrow (irl)
I kinda don't think this looks w/w to me with Shending and dyachei's convo over here.Shending_Help wrote: ↑Mon Jul 18, 2022 9:16 amI think it's concerning that your view doesn't give off a holistic feeling.dyachei wrote: ↑Mon Jul 18, 2022 9:09 amyou don't think it's weird she's attributing shit to me that I've never said? Like I didnt even have a read on marmot and my read on alison was I do better reading her laterShending_Help wrote: ↑Mon Jul 18, 2022 9:01 am Then i find it quite concerning you have wisdom as concerning tbh
They should be the most clear person in the game from interactions with Alison/HK almost never being w/w ontop of shooting Alison when there were a lot of shots that would've been more consensus at the time. And Wisdom's general tone/solving/WIM is also one of the highest in the game. But even ignoring that last point, I feel your focus this game has been kind of off
I also have troubles with your post yesterday basically saying "Both HK and Alison I wanna leave alive til later before i try reading them, since they get easier to read over time".
You can't understand why that's concerning fmpov?
Like, if person A has done a ton of things that should make them very town, and then that person does something that I find rand wolf, maybe I would call it out and question it and try to figure out if I could've been wrong there. But I wouldn't straight up call that person concerning without having the earlier things in mind.
It's different if a person I'm null on would say something that's rand wolf, THEN I might call that person straight up concerning.
It's different in my mind to call a *thing* as off, and what you did, "wisdom is really conerning me". That implies that person is higher on your suspect list and you want others to put focus there.
Which leads me to believe you're not trying to find a towncore but just looking for things to push on (preferably breaking up the current consensus towncore if it's correct), which is how wolves like to do things
your only responding to the first line though as I feel like I had brought up a valid point in the second thing anywaysSpacedaisy wrote: ↑Fri Jul 29, 2022 9:04 pmI corrected myself a post or two later, then Shen pointed it out to me as well and I said I had already said that myself.Cape90 wrote: ↑Fri Jul 29, 2022 8:57 pmI find this interesting since falcon was afk and wolf so this point might be void even though it almost has to be one of you 2 anyways FMPOVSpacedaisy wrote: ↑Wed Jul 27, 2022 6:42 pm The fact two wolves haven’t just come in and hammered me yet, should tell you that either myself or Shen is wolf. I know it’s not me, so Shen has to be wolf here. I am VT.
I had seen Seanzie talk about how falcon was lurking though so it also could have been onto something
Oh I seeSpacedaisy wrote: ↑Fri Jul 29, 2022 9:02 pm I believe marmot was afraid it would make me look too town and that’s why he kept saying I created a tie that I am 98% certain I didn’t.
Wow looking back on this this is the most blatantly confbias towny progression I have seen this gameShending_Help wrote: ↑Sat Jul 16, 2022 6:09 am 1) sabi: "shending's opening rly towny/natural"
2) sabi: “shending is very stiff and safe as a wolf, which is unlike here *shows example*" "he's comfortable, showing progression"
3) sabi: "I don't generally believe in townslips but this seems like a townslip."
4) lastly she takes away all earlier positive thoughts from a single jokey response to a post from Wisdom that she didn't even agree with (that I still read as more of a joke than anything else).
I find this interesting since falcon was afk and wolf so this point might be void even though it almost has to be one of you 2 anyways FMPOVSpacedaisy wrote: ↑Wed Jul 27, 2022 6:42 pm The fact two wolves haven’t just come in and hammered me yet, should tell you that either myself or Shen is wolf. I know it’s not me, so Shen has to be wolf here. I am VT.
oh never mind then, yeah a few people kinda just shifted before the end. Not really sure why you made a big point about it thoughSpacedaisy wrote: ↑Fri Jul 29, 2022 8:48 pm How does it not line up? You are looking final totals where Seanzie and Marmot both moved ther voted. I think Seanzie may have moved more than once after my vote even, though I’m not certain.
this whole sentence is kind of awkward to meSpacedaisy wrote: ↑Sun Jul 24, 2022 1:31 am I know Falcon being missing was somehow suspicious given some kind of activity, as mentioned by Dolby in our chat but I don’t really recall the details. That’s someone I’d consider. Shen I would like to look at more because i feel a bit blank there, but I also don’t know them. So I don’t have a read but I would like to because I think it’s help me.
spacedaisy's claim to tying the vote doesn't line up with this, or at least may just not matter because of thisNANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Sat Jul 16, 2022 7:03 pm hollowkatt ( 7 ) Marmot, Spacedaisy, Wisdom, Cape90, DrWilgy, Seanzie, Sabiplz
sabiplz ( 3 ) Shending_Help, NotAnAxehole, hollowkatt
falcon45ca ( 1 ) dyachei
Wisdom ( 1 ) Alison
Not Voting ( 3 ) dunya, falcon45ca, Jackofhearts2005
something about this rubs me the wrong way if DrWigly's claim = trueShending_Help wrote: ↑Fri Jul 29, 2022 3:07 pm Wow ok.
I hope that's a doc saving someone else so we have 2 clears, and not just cape having a bulletproof vest or anything like that
okay so at least 1 mafia was on sabiNANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Tue Jul 19, 2022 7:06 pm sabiplz ( 4 ) Seanzie, dyachei, Wisdom, Shending_Help
dyachei ( 2 ) Cape90, DrWilgy
falcon45ca ( 1 ) dunya
Not Voting ( 4 ) falcon45ca, sabiplz, spacedaisy, marmot
Who is DH?Spacedaisy wrote: ↑Sat Jul 16, 2022 6:54 pm I don’t have a read on almost anyone because I haven’t read up and I probably won’t. Sooo, I will say the little bits I have see. From DH and sabi I feel ok about. So I don’t want to vote them.
oh so that wouldnt matter.
Sleep (can be hammered)
Okay, that's a very strange concept for a role I have literally never seen. That would be interesting though. I feel like Dolby wasn't like, exactly playing like Jester if this is your implication.Spacedaisy wrote: ↑Wed Jul 27, 2022 6:55 pmI’m not saying there is an unkillable mafia role and it’s Dolby. I’m saying a mafia player in this game had the ability to create this sub in using Dolby in order to learn my role, act on my behalf and possibly make me look bad, and feed any info from me to the mafia or any bad info to me.Cape90 wrote: ↑Wed Jul 27, 2022 6:51 pmSpacedaisy wrote: ↑Tue Jul 26, 2022 10:31 pm Regarding Dolby, I don't have any idea what their role is or why they were subbed in for me. I only had chat with them while they replaced me until the new day started when I was returned to the game. I don't know if they were wolf or town even. All I know is they subbed for me, I wasn't allowed to post, they were told my role, and we had a private chat for that time.
Dolby suspected Shen and trusted Wilgy.
But I have no idea if Dolby was town and could be trusted. Given the fact I was never told Dolby's role or alignment, I can't go by just what they said because it could easily have been a baddie role or mechanic. But nothing in their limited interaction with me in the chat made me think they were bad. I was largely absent there as well.The flaw with thinking that Dolby is mafia here from your POV if you are town isSpacedaisy wrote: ↑Tue Jul 26, 2022 10:49 pm I apparently fucked up my multiquotes, but I just ISOed Marmot, and the reality is Marmot only gave me weak town read at best, and everytime he did he also pointed out reasons to suspect me. He made such a huge point to say I created the tie that I really don't believe I did, while he ignored the shadowvote from HK which probably actually created the tie that he then attempted to break in favor of Sabi. His last read of me outright said it was me and falcon as a team. That would be an insane read to leave if falcon and I are the remaining mafia. That's because I'm not mafia and he's just trying to shade me.
I'm done defending and now I'm going to look back at Shen and Wilgy.
If Dolby was mafia aligned, I believe it would make Wilgy bad, but my gut says Wilgy is town. We'll see if that changes after an ISO. And again, if Dolby is mafia aligned, then Shen is probably good. But the fact Shen just dropped a vote on me and left and is so focused on getting me eliminated does not look like a thinking townie. A townie should want to be certain, Shen is banking on convincing people quickly before I can defend against anything. I don't like the look. Especially because it doesn't make sense when examined next to my actual actions. The only problematic thing about me is that I had a soft town lean on dya Day 1.
How do we vote them out right now?
Why would there just be some unkillable mafia in this game as of right now?
Why would there be a civ reason to have a role that randomly subs someone in for you for one day for no reason?
Like I don't get that real implication from this post and the rest of Dolby's ISO is NAI and not really like, damning.Dolby wrote: ↑Wed Jul 20, 2022 7:20 pmImma be bluntShending_Help wrote: ↑Wed Jul 20, 2022 7:15 pm @Wisdom gg friend, was nice finding each other In a game for once. I had a feeling you weren't gonna be allowed to stick around
Sorry sabi
@Dolby heyo! Gonna be interesting to see if an outside perspective is gonna land in the same towncore as most of the ppl alrdy playing have
How much have you read?
I think your post surrounding HK up to about 150 (where I’ve read to) are wolfy.
Wilgy is probs town
I have a chat with Spacedaisy and she thinks that Dunya is a wolf and marmot is town and she kinda just dipped recently
1 min Before flip I called you/cape/Dunya the PoE
Does anybody like wolfing?Shending_Help wrote: ↑Wed Jul 27, 2022 6:17 am Just another unprompted selfmeta defense. I don't like wolfing. If I was wolfing I'm pretty sure I'd have put in what time was expected of me in the context of the game. I probably wouldn't toppost and put in this many hours into this game as I have, and if I did I would've used that thread presence to try to hardpush a bunch of villas, rather than just jump all over the place looking for a villa core and wobbling on stuff.
You can decide to believe or not believe this, but it's the truth
This is strange because if they were the same role as you, Dolby wouldn't need this info.
Spacedaisy wrote: ↑Tue Jul 26, 2022 10:31 pm Regarding Dolby, I don't have any idea what their role is or why they were subbed in for me. I only had chat with them while they replaced me until the new day started when I was returned to the game. I don't know if they were wolf or town even. All I know is they subbed for me, I wasn't allowed to post, they were told my role, and we had a private chat for that time.
Dolby suspected Shen and trusted Wilgy.
But I have no idea if Dolby was town and could be trusted. Given the fact I was never told Dolby's role or alignment, I can't go by just what they said because it could easily have been a baddie role or mechanic. But nothing in their limited interaction with me in the chat made me think they were bad. I was largely absent there as well.
The flaw with thinking that Dolby is mafia here from your POV if you are town isSpacedaisy wrote: ↑Tue Jul 26, 2022 10:49 pm I apparently fucked up my multiquotes, but I just ISOed Marmot, and the reality is Marmot only gave me weak town read at best, and everytime he did he also pointed out reasons to suspect me. He made such a huge point to say I created the tie that I really don't believe I did, while he ignored the shadowvote from HK which probably actually created the tie that he then attempted to break in favor of Sabi. His last read of me outright said it was me and falcon as a team. That would be an insane read to leave if falcon and I are the remaining mafia. That's because I'm not mafia and he's just trying to shade me.
I'm done defending and now I'm going to look back at Shen and Wilgy.
If Dolby was mafia aligned, I believe it would make Wilgy bad, but my gut says Wilgy is town. We'll see if that changes after an ISO. And again, if Dolby is mafia aligned, then Shen is probably good. But the fact Shen just dropped a vote on me and left and is so focused on getting me eliminated does not look like a thinking townie. A townie should want to be certain, Shen is banking on convincing people quickly before I can defend against anything. I don't like the look. Especially because it doesn't make sense when examined next to my actual actions. The only problematic thing about me is that I had a soft town lean on dya Day 1.
I missed this comment, where did Space say this?Shending_Help wrote: ↑Wed Jul 27, 2022 5:43 am your comments about Dolby sub in potentially being a wolfrole or something does give me slight pause
I kinda get w/v vibes from "I'm just putting her there because Shen asked me to." from interaction with Spacedaisy anyways. Like Marmot made this huge post on Spacedaisy only to end up coming up with this hedgy conclusion. Wolves would want to hedge on possible misvote targets, that makes sense to me regardless of how I interpreted your post since I did interpret it like that.Shending_Help wrote: ↑Wed Jul 27, 2022 6:42 pmI think ur reading my post wrong. I'm calling myself town for it lolCape90 wrote: ↑Wed Jul 27, 2022 6:39 pmYeah, that's possible, especially since I thought Spacedaisy's pop in was rand v todayShending_Help wrote: ↑Wed Jul 27, 2022 5:51 amWhile still on the topic of me, look at this post by Marmot. This Imo gives out more w/v vibes than probably any other post in the game minus HKs wisdom spew
"I'm just putting her there because Shen asked me to"
It could be falcon/DrWigly I suppose but Wigly looks good off votes so idk on that
Not daisy
you had a n0 action? If you put in in your defense post against Spacedaisy, I wanted to read everything else before I tackled reading that. I understand you didnt have much time, but quotes would have been helpfulShending_Help wrote: ↑Wed Jul 27, 2022 5:59 am Oh and as for why I picked Spacy as my N0:
While we haven't played mafia together before we did talk a bit before the game. And I remembered Daisy mentioning how ppl often misunderstand where they're coming from in games, and I didn't want them to be an early miss-yeet if they were V so I repped that n0
I also wanted to play with daisy
Yeah, that's possible, especially since I thought Spacedaisy's pop in was rand v todayShending_Help wrote: ↑Wed Jul 27, 2022 5:51 amWhile still on the topic of me, look at this post by Marmot. This Imo gives out more w/v vibes than probably any other post in the game minus HKs wisdom spew
"I'm just putting her there because Shen asked me to"