The Syndicate

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sat Feb 18, 2023 7:56 pm

Party Crasher wrote: ↑Sat Feb 18, 2023 7:55 pm [VOTE: cape] aubergine

sorry mac im afraid if u'll shoot me i dont wanna die

probably outing

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sat Feb 18, 2023 7:40 pm

Seanzie wrote: ↑Sat Feb 18, 2023 7:38 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sat Feb 18, 2023 7:37 pm [VOTE: cape90] aubergine

Ehh... if you have time, actually peruse Cape's ISO vs IAWY's ISO.

I don't have time

Also I had cape as town and iawy as mafia before but I haven't really been following closely enough to defer to my own read here and the game is too big. I trust this Marmot, Nut, Urist thing so I'm there. Sorry if I'm wrong.

Party Crasher wrote: ↑Sat Feb 18, 2023 7:43 pm

Cape90 wrote: ↑Sat Feb 18, 2023 7:41 pm Here's a philosophy.

I think town get too afraid of pushing LHF so they try and fail to push some louder people. Resulting in losing the game due to the rule of ignorance is bliss

[VOTE: cape] aubergine

Cape90 wrote: ↑Sat Feb 18, 2023 7:41 pm Here's a philosophy.

I think town get too afraid of pushing LHF so they try and fail to push some louder people. Resulting in losing the game due to the rule of ignorance is bliss

Cape90 wrote: ↑Sat Feb 18, 2023 7:38 pm 1. I'm pretty sure both Dennis and IAWY are town

2. I heard claim PR

Party Crasher wrote: ↑Sat Feb 18, 2023 5:23 pm

Cape90 wrote: ↑Sat Feb 18, 2023 5:07 pm The lack of real scumcases on Sabi could mean Sabi is mafia.

That's a tinfoil but

I can name several things ppl have said about me

Sabi?

They AtE I guess.

It could have been that I haven't been paying attention but I don't see as many arguments regarding them despite them being in POE

I dont get this and i find sabi scummy cape

- dz

Urist wrote: ↑Sat Feb 18, 2023 5:12 pm

Cape90 wrote: ↑Sat Feb 18, 2023 5:07 pm The lack of real scumcases on Sabi could mean Sabi is mafia.

That's a tinfoil but

I can name several things ppl have said about me

Sabi?

They AtE I guess.

It could have been that I haven't been paying attention but I don't see as many arguments regarding them despite them being in POE

Vote for Sabi then. If she doesn't get more votes soon I'm switching back to you

Michelle wrote: ↑Sat Feb 18, 2023 5:00 pm

Cape90 wrote: ↑Sat Feb 18, 2023 4:57 pm People who have played the most games with me are not voting me and have been townreading me. With random exceptions

But creature has been fairly mixed in reading me. Michelle has always been terrible at that (I'm sorry), and then the rest of my detractors. Hardly have played with them. They don't know me

I have Dizzy very villagery from the posts i read, and i remember you had a read on him as being 3rd.
A townie is focusing on wolves not 3ds so here is a problem who makes me think you have a wolf mindset

Kate wrote: ↑Sat Feb 18, 2023 4:31 pm @Cape90 do you plan to move y9ur vote to Dennis or iawy for self pres? Or you sticking where you are?

Urist wrote: ↑Sat Feb 18, 2023 4:44 pm

Cape90 wrote: ↑Sat Feb 18, 2023 12:41 pm instead of elliming me while im on vacation

maybe get someone who is actively wolfy like petit who has been burying me like wolf anyways

or urist who has been literally trolling me

or like half of creature, also for some reason, the link in the beginning with Creature's ISO is MEGA BROKEN

or more obvious people like ilario

i think Master Radishes is a pet wolf read and reading more of his stuff, yeah sure

DrWigly is just POE fodder there is that

Trolling? That's a bit oversimplified I think

S~V~S wrote: ↑Sat Feb 18, 2023 2:27 pm

Spoiler: show

Cape90 wrote: ↑Sat Feb 18, 2023 1:33 pm

S~V~S wrote: ↑Sat Feb 18, 2023 1:21 pm

Cape90 wrote: ↑Sat Feb 18, 2023 1:14 pm

ilario wrote: ↑Sat Feb 18, 2023 1:07 pm how many hours from now is eod?

6 hours, i might not be here, going to downtown disney ^.^

Also S~V~S procrastinating ISO on me is a big SMH moment

Okey Dokey, I have been sitting here refreshing becasue i didn't want to dump this while you were currently flailing in the thread, so here you go.
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OK, Cape, our current wagon leader.

I am not always sure what I'm looking at here, since I definitely agree with Cape on this,

Cape90 wrote: ↑Fri Feb 17, 2023 1:22 pm with ISOing you just miss context

There is a lot of discussion of IAWY and Scotty that, being honest, I didn't totally understand. I am going to try to reread it in context.

He made a townread of me, with the caveat that the post I made to try to get Kate to look at me looked Wolfy to him (fair enough, it had a specific purpose, and was aimed at a specific person). He also liked my post on 112, and later said he thought 112 was town.

As I read along, I found myself agreeing with several of his reads. Had no idea why he hit anyones radar (unless it was for reasons related to meta w/people I am not familiar with), until he started backpedaling himself a bit answering Rondos questions. Also, he spent alot of time early commenting on a discussion between IAWY and Scotty, but then he townread both of them towards the end of his ISO? Although he was fairly waffly on each. He and Scotty voted for each other at one point, though I guess that didn't last.

As Cape would say, Scotty is trending down for me.

Cape90 wrote: ↑Sat Feb 18, 2023 1:32 am Urist is one of those slots where I don''t really know but I lean scum on them. But I also think it could be a playstyle thing with him. The sort of confident kind of snark coming off urist this game is something all right.

I don't disagree with Cape here, but that little caveat there ... I am glass houses and all re waffling, I tend to try to see both sides. Is this a normal thing for Cape?

Cape90 wrote: ↑Sat Feb 18, 2023 12:23 pm

Le petit poussin wrote: ↑Sat Feb 18, 2023 4:27 am

Cape90 wrote: ↑Fri Feb 17, 2023 8:12 pm Le petit is think I read page by page it's ducking dumb

?

my pb with you isn't that you aren't reading. It's that you aren't reading but pretending you are and faking reads. See my post about Alisons.

Another example:

Cape90 wrote: ↑Fri Feb 17, 2023 7:51 pm I like SVS's post on 112.

I am not catching up

This post from SVS is clearly about HK. So I dunno what you liked since you didn't even start to process it.

U are just a wolf buddy. Sucky rand in a mash but such is life.

It's called, I am trying to be helpful in this stupid game with no time to be that helpful in this stupid game.

I am just confused here, I have made no posts/opinions about HK, and my post was clearly about 112. Which has no reflection on Cape, he isn't the one who said the confusing thing, I am just confuzzled by it

And Cape doesn't seem to be disagreeing with that, though. Which makes the most recent posts between him and L'il Fishy (new to me, and somehow I doubt they like "PP"; maybe LPP? It looks to be Petit, but I do wish it was L'il Fishy) feel a bit performative to me.

This is a developing situation. But I came out of this ISO leaning bad on Cape, Scotty, and maybe Petit. Not enough to vote on anyone over it yet, but most def in the red part of the rainbow. Plus IAYW is voting Ender, who is one of Capes biggest accusers. Not sure if this is a bunch of Mafia friends being insular, or some woofs whose efforts at distancing got too intertwined or what. This whole situation reads like a big giant clusterfuck, lol.

And now I feel bad dropping an alphabetical ISO into a current situation, but meh.

okay

I have changed my mind recently looking back at that 112 post. It's pretty NAI, but defending HK then leaving does somewhat seem not wolfy to me so there is that.

I waffle all the time though I guess it isn't my place to say.

Oh yeah petit did say that post about 112 was about HK which was strange.

I also get performative a lot (but I may have been deliberate on that).

Besides that point, I don't really know why I look bad from what you have said besides the whole my push on Petit being performative. I would say my push on baudib1 from "insert only mafia game that I linked earlier that is not loading for me" does beat the performativity of the read on Petit. It is a method I will use to RT people.

I had to go back and read that post to understand why you/Petit were talking about HK; the part I liked had nothing to do with the people 112 was quoting. It had to do with the thought 112 expressed, that getting rashy with someone in thread, snapping out, it less likely to come from a wolf place then a town place. So I am tending to read that one post, HK telling Guillotine to fuck off, as townie. But mainly i was talking about 112s take on it, rather than the post itself.

And I tend to look for thread interaction as a wolf tell, I know there must be masons here, but they don't generally have any need to distance. That whole business with Scotty, it just felt like distancing to me. It didn't feel like you *really* suspected each other. Like if you were laying it out so if one of you get elim on day 4, the other could clear themselves from being a partner based on this interaction. It's a lean, and I'm not voting on it or telling anyone else to either. It felt a bit like manufactured suspicions.

But I don't know you or your meta, or anyone involved in any of this, really, except Scotty. And I know he doesn't start Supatowning until after an elim. It all just felt "faux" to me.

You voted for him, then moved your vote. Why? Which thing did he say that made you change your mind?

Party Crasher wrote: ↑Sat Feb 18, 2023 3:09 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sat Feb 18, 2023 3:06 pm I don’t feel like voting for Dennis.

sloonei are u wolfing again

Golden wrote: ↑Sat Feb 18, 2023 4:08 pm

Cape90 wrote: ↑Sat Feb 18, 2023 1:46 pm I think the tinfoil that Golden is only townreading Kate because it is a contradictory read is silly.

Is someone saying that? It wasn’t even contradicting anyone. No one was on Kate at that point as far as I know or knew anyway, I just went and isoed her to get a read because I literally always start with getting my bearings about Kate.

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Fri Feb 17, 2023 4:13 pm

Golden wrote: ↑Fri Feb 17, 2023 4:09 pm

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Fri Feb 17, 2023 4:04 pm Kate's opening this game is much looser than in Carto...she got engaged right away in that game

100%

And to be clear, I didn't even play Carto or know how she entered that game. When you asked my to show my working I literally just went and found her most recent wolf game.

Now, Kate *can* enter more loosely as wolf than she did in Carto, but I've never seen wolf Kate enter a game as loosely as in this one.

Alrighty, fair play. I'm inclined to sheep your TR on Kate for now

Master Radishes wrote: ↑Sat Feb 18, 2023 2:17 pm

Cape90 wrote: ↑Sat Feb 18, 2023 1:01 pm

Master Radishes wrote: ↑Sat Feb 18, 2023 6:21 am

EnderWiggin wrote: ↑Sat Feb 18, 2023 6:13 am [VOTE: Cape90] aubergine

Dennis is still a wolf.

But this needs speedyeeting.

Cape's posts have kind of floated past my eyes, but also when I played with him previously I thought he was a wolf and he wasn't.

If we are sure town are pushing my wagon, I feel pretty good about this being a scum comment

if not

I feel good about it being a scum comment anyways?

[VOTE: Master Radishes] aubergine

See I'm such an easy target for you to push because I'm only waving at your wagon and am slanking, so a wolf who's being pushed and wants to push back will find me easier to bite down on then one of the more active/forceful wagon pushers. I've done this exact thing myself.

But also I just can't help but feel you and I have done this dance before. I don't remember if we've played once or twice (not more I don't think) but I distinctly recall this exact scenario where I find you scummy because your posts feel blendy to me, and you find me scummy because I hedge a lot and slank a lot, and I'm pretty certain we've both been wrong each time it has happened.

So here's me hedging yet again on how to actually feel about you.

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Sat Feb 18, 2023 9:32 am

EnderWiggin wrote: ↑Sat Feb 18, 2023 9:29 amGimme Dennis and Cape thoughts then.

I can accept that Scotty/Marmot could be town and I'm just being self-conscious, but hit me with ya thoughts.

I have literally no Dennis thoughts. I've seen people proclaim him mafia and town. The mafia reads seems to come from meta, so he might be mafia. Maybe I'll iso him and see if I get an actual read.
Cape could be mafia. I've found them very towny when I've played with them as town, and they don't give the same feeling here. So yeah.

ilario wrote: ↑Sat Feb 18, 2023 1:57 pm

Cape90 wrote: ↑Sat Feb 18, 2023 1:36 pm

ilario wrote: ↑Sat Feb 18, 2023 1:35 pm

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Fri Feb 17, 2023 5:59 pm Urist, Nut, Marmot, Michelle towncore. Anyone disagree?

unsure on nut, yes on the rest

explain Urist from your POV

mostly a tonal read

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Fri Feb 17, 2023 6:15 pm

Alison wrote: ↑Fri Feb 17, 2023 6:10 pmI saw your town core post. nut and mich are fine candidates. Urist's insistence that Rondo is Rask's partner if Rask flips scum didn't vibe with me but the rest of his posting has been fine - I historically have scumread Urist's posting regardless of alignment so it's probably a good sign that I've found him unobjectionable apart from that since it means he's townier than usual.

I would add lucy to the town core. Rask is fine but not towncore worthy. Cape is kinda sus but only a couple people seem interested at all in looking at him so I might vote there in a bit.

I think Party Crasher has been townie on play but I kinda think their role is more likely to be mafia given the context. I am awful at hostreading though so they're probably just town

I'm fine with Lucy too, or not too worried.

Do you have thoughts on any of Ender or IAWY?

I think Golden is town. Him reacting negatively to your pushing and voting you basically out of annoyance is town rather than wolf for him imo. And I think his read on Kate is just a strong read based on familiarity. Just my opinion

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Sat Feb 18, 2023 9:32 am

EnderWiggin wrote: ↑Sat Feb 18, 2023 9:29 amGimme Dennis and Cape thoughts then.

I can accept that Scotty/Marmot could be town and I'm just being self-conscious, but hit me with ya thoughts.

I have literally no Dennis thoughts. I've seen people proclaim him mafia and town. The mafia reads seems to come from meta, so he might be mafia. Maybe I'll iso him and see if I get an actual read.
Cape could be mafia. I've found them very towny when I've played with them as town, and they don't give the same feeling here. So yeah.

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Fri Feb 17, 2023 6:07 pm

Le petit poussin wrote: ↑Fri Feb 17, 2023 6:02 pm

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Fri Feb 17, 2023 5:57 pm

Le petit poussin wrote: ↑Fri Feb 17, 2023 5:53 pm

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Fri Feb 17, 2023 5:51 pm

Guillotine wrote: ↑Fri Feb 17, 2023 5:50 pm Im 14 pages behind. How about TLDR?

Anyone?

People wrote posts. They had reads, but rarely explained them. Somehow it will all work out in the end anyway, or not. One thing is for certain: We will all die a horrible death.

Speaking of (hi!), would you explain your read on Cape pls.

Looking forward dying tbh. I hope there will be radishes.

I can't really explain my read on Cape other than vaguely thinking they seem ok. I've played with them before, they've been town and seemed similar to me. But I didn't write any notes on them and I don't have a strong opinion. Do you have grievances?

tx and yes. His readlist was bad and fake (look the read on Alison).

Checked, and kind of agree. Cape town lean revoked.

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Fri Feb 17, 2023 5:24 pm Attempting to sort players:

Town: Guillo, Marmot, Nut, Kate, Michelle, Sean
Also town, less reasoning: Scotty, Cape, pyxxy, Lily, Neon, Lucy
Should probably be town as well, but different tier: Golden, Radish

People I have sexy thoughts about: Ender, Rondo, IAWY, Sloonei

Everyone else I may have conflicted thoughts or no thoughts on. I may or may not have reasoning for any of these reads. Please compare notes.

Golden wrote: ↑Fri Feb 17, 2023 4:35 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Fri Feb 17, 2023 4:31 pm

Golden wrote: ↑Fri Feb 17, 2023 4:29 pm My thoughts on game state are thus:

There's a lot of weakarse wolf-reading going on, often for reasons that are trope 'that's wolfy' on stuff thats NAI. It's been hard to sort real suspicion from day one shitposting suspicion/reaction fishing for me.

There's been two things that I think are genuinely suspicion in a 'wolves there' way. The first is the suspicion on Kate, which is clearly not based in the thread at all and is entirely manufactured and hasn't gone away. The other is the number of people who are in the 'too many players, I'll wait to solve until later'. Michelle and Dennis I remember on that front, but there's more I need to check back on to remember exactly who. It's being used as a justification for why reads are hedgy/aren't good. Those are the two areas I'm currently focused on in wolf-hunting as most likely to be fruitful.

While I think the wolfhunting is weak, I've seen what I feel like is some genuinely good effort towards town-hunting. I have good vibes on at least neon, cape, nut, scotty, seanzie, lily from it, probably more that I would remember if I looked at the playerlist.

Also, from my perspective the most relevant solvey point I have to make is:

Golden wrote: ↑Fri Feb 17, 2023 1:08 am So I just read the rules and the rules expressly provide for BSG-style mafia.

My posts about having no evidence of TMI was thinking of two mafia sets but that seems unlikely based on rules as drafted. Reads as one mafia with a search mechanic. Still, though, I’d be hesitant at considering anyones townread as coming from TMI… the mafia appear to have as much interest in establishing honest town and wolfreads as anyone else, which means imo we need to rate ‘false read’ perspectives as less likely to be correct than they would usually be.

who are pursuing Kate?

The list of people who have either voted kate or pushed back on/indicated scepticism in town reads of Kate is:

Scotty
Seanzie
Urist
Alison
Creature
Lucy
Falcon
Guillotine

And possibly more that I've missed.

Of that set, I have got reasons for town vibes on Scotty, Seanzie, Falcon and Guillotine so I'm really looking at the middle four as most likely.

Dennis wrote: ↑Sat Feb 18, 2023 1:50 pm I don't like the amount of people who are now changing their mind on me as we get close to EoD

Golden wrote: ↑Fri Feb 17, 2023 3:59 pm

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Fri Feb 17, 2023 3:54 pm

Golden wrote: ↑Fri Feb 17, 2023 3:39 pm

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Fri Feb 17, 2023 3:35 pm

Golden wrote: ↑Fri Feb 17, 2023 3:30 pm

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Fri Feb 17, 2023 3:26 pm Kate & Dennis have a decent chance of being wolves together IMO

No because Kate is town

Why?

Go read her first four posts in cartomancy and her first four here and spot the difference.

OK, I'll do that. Are you saying that the difference is very noticeable? And, following that, is Kate incapable of learning from past mistakes?

Yes, I think you’ll notice a significant difference in approach to entering the thread.

Kate is sneaky and quite capable of mixing it up but I wouldn’t say that would im describing is a mistake to begin with. It’s just personality. In carto you’re seeing a Kate that is endeavouring to appear townie. In this game she didn’t gaf.

Golden wrote: ↑Fri Feb 17, 2023 12:03 am What is the mafia jusrifucation in Kate awkwardly claiming vanilla?

Cape90 wrote: ↑Sat Feb 18, 2023 12:55 pm Okay well I found that Creature is the town on my wagon

ilario wrote: ↑Sat Feb 18, 2023 1:24 pm

Cape90 wrote: ↑Sat Feb 18, 2023 1:17 pm

ilario wrote: ↑Sat Feb 18, 2023 1:15 pm

Cape90 wrote: ↑Sat Feb 18, 2023 1:14 pm

ilario wrote: ↑Sat Feb 18, 2023 1:07 pm how many hours from now is eod?

6 hours, i might not be here, going to downtown disney ^.^

Also S~V~S procrastinating ISO on me is a big SMH moment

can i come

i mean

ur a little far

/vote cape

ilario wrote: ↑Sat Feb 18, 2023 1:35 pm

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Fri Feb 17, 2023 5:59 pm Urist, Nut, Marmot, Michelle towncore. Anyone disagree?

unsure on nut, yes on the rest

nutella wrote: ↑Sat Feb 18, 2023 1:29 pm Oh we wagoning cape now that's pretty cool actually I think I'm down but gonna read

S~V~S wrote: ↑Sat Feb 18, 2023 1:21 pm

Cape90 wrote: ↑Sat Feb 18, 2023 1:14 pm

ilario wrote: ↑Sat Feb 18, 2023 1:07 pm how many hours from now is eod?

6 hours, i might not be here, going to downtown disney ^.^

Also S~V~S procrastinating ISO on me is a big SMH moment

Okey Dokey, I have been sitting here refreshing becasue i didn't want to dump this while you were currently flailing in the thread, so here you go.
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OK, Cape, our current wagon leader.

I am not always sure what I'm looking at here, since I definitely agree with Cape on this,

Cape90 wrote: ↑Fri Feb 17, 2023 1:22 pm with ISOing you just miss context

There is a lot of discussion of IAWY and Scotty that, being honest, I didn't totally understand. I am going to try to reread it in context.

He made a townread of me, with the caveat that the post I made to try to get Kate to look at me looked Wolfy to him (fair enough, it had a specific purpose, and was aimed at a specific person). He also liked my post on 112, and later said he thought 112 was town.

As I read along, I found myself agreeing with several of his reads. Had no idea why he hit anyones radar (unless it was for reasons related to meta w/people I am not familiar with), until he started backpedaling himself a bit answering Rondos questions. Also, he spent alot of time early commenting on a discussion between IAWY and Scotty, but then he townread both of them towards the end of his ISO? Although he was fairly waffly on each. He and Scotty voted for each other at one point, though I guess that didn't last.

As Cape would say, Scotty is trending down for me.

Cape90 wrote: ↑Sat Feb 18, 2023 1:32 am Urist is one of those slots where I don''t really know but I lean scum on them. But I also think it could be a playstyle thing with him. The sort of confident kind of snark coming off urist this game is something all right.

I don't disagree with Cape here, but that little caveat there ... I am glass houses and all re waffling, I tend to try to see both sides. Is this a normal thing for Cape?

Cape90 wrote: ↑Sat Feb 18, 2023 12:23 pm

Le petit poussin wrote: ↑Sat Feb 18, 2023 4:27 am

Cape90 wrote: ↑Fri Feb 17, 2023 8:12 pm Le petit is think I read page by page it's ducking dumb

?

my pb with you isn't that you aren't reading. It's that you aren't reading but pretending you are and faking reads. See my post about Alisons.

Another example:

Cape90 wrote: ↑Fri Feb 17, 2023 7:51 pm I like SVS's post on 112.

I am not catching up

This post from SVS is clearly about HK. So I dunno what you liked since you didn't even start to process it.

U are just a wolf buddy. Sucky rand in a mash but such is life.

It's called, I am trying to be helpful in this stupid game with no time to be that helpful in this stupid game.

I am just confused here, I have made no posts/opinions about HK, and my post was clearly about 112. Which has no reflection on Cape, he isn't the one who said the confusing thing, I am just confuzzled by it

And Cape doesn't seem to be disagreeing with that, though. Which makes the most recent posts between him and L'il Fishy (new to me, and somehow I doubt they like "PP"; maybe LPP? It looks to be Petit, but I do wish it was L'il Fishy) feel a bit performative to me.

This is a developing situation. But I came out of this ISO leaning bad on Cape, Scotty, and maybe Petit. Not enough to vote on anyone over it yet, but most def in the red part of the rainbow. Plus IAYW is voting Ender, who is one of Capes biggest accusers. Not sure if this is a bunch of Mafia friends being insular, or some woofs whose efforts at distancing got too intertwined or what. This whole situation reads like a big giant clusterfuck, lol.

And now I feel bad dropping an alphabetical ISO into a current situation, but meh.