The Syndicate

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Thu Jan 11, 2024 4:14 pm Do you think it's Nutella @Cape90?

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Wed Jan 10, 2024 4:40 pm wilgy can u explain to me why ur not voting nutella

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Wed Jan 10, 2024 4:46 pm if y'all want nutella to be eliminated today then it is strictly beneficial to make sure that i dont have enough votes to be put up for a performance, since im the only person here who can reliably tell what nutella's song will be (probably)

but doubt ppl are gonna move next in the next hour and a half

LoRab wrote: ↑Tue Jan 09, 2024 7:11 pm Hey, y'all!! Fell asleep yesterday right before the results, and then felt like crap when I woke up, so read up and then went back to bed.

I cannot believe I was wrong about Long Con. Seriously--my tinfoil says he's bad and has an evil secret power that he comes up as civ. But, I don't actually think that, but anyway. Sorry, y'all. I was truly convinced.

I'm fine with an LA Lynch, since I was starting to suspect her anyway. I, too, do not find sheep civ-like.

And can someone remind me why people were excited to send them to battle day 1? And expressed disappointment that he wasn't on the poll day 2. And why he's kind of fallen off of everyone's radar? I'm honestly asking--I don't have enough experience with them to judge their play, and since I wasn't here and read up the whole beginning of the game at once, I really don't remember.

Sheep wrote: ↑Fri Jan 05, 2024 12:39 am

Porscha wrote: ↑Thu Jan 04, 2024 5:31 am yeah long con is a wolf

i just realized robyn died lol that took too long to connect
why did that happen
ugh i feel like porscha's stock is dropping but i can't explain why

Sheep wrote: ↑Wed Jan 10, 2024 1:00 am very tenatively my gth reads are
wilgy
spf
tsp
lorab
cape
falcon
pyxxy
nutella

don't ask me about any of these thanks

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Tue Jan 09, 2024 9:29 pm

pyxxy wrote: ↑Tue Jan 09, 2024 9:24 pm wilgy wanting to chop me solely for the purpose of resolving counterwagons?

classic scum wilgy

May I remind you that you are PoE and still feel like wolf Pyx?

I'd be more impressed that I haven't voted you yet and are considering you against Sheep and Cape.

pyxxy wrote: ↑Sun Jan 07, 2024 12:19 am

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Sat Jan 06, 2024 9:23 pm to be clear im not ~that confident about nutella/LC being unaligned but the way nutella has kinda anchored herself into the game by constantly pushing on LC and calling him wolfy kinda reads to me as a wolf who is trying to get him miseliminated more than partners doing a distancing play

but see like

I don't like you hedging here

your world view is Nutella scum, Long Con town. own it

hedging like this just feels like what you're arguing Nutella is doing, setting up a Long Con mischop, except in your case it's after a Nutella mischop

I do agree that Nutella and Long Con seem weirdly committed to being the two wagons of the day, I would even interpret it in your world view, if I didn't think that you're helping create TvT wagons

I also never said "wolves are sitting back" and that whole bit, I explicitly said that you feel like you're setting up TvT wagons...and look, here are you hedging on TvT wagons

nutella wrote: ↑Mon Jan 08, 2024 5:36 pm

Cape90 wrote: ↑Mon Jan 08, 2024 5:34 pm

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Mon Jan 08, 2024 4:29 pm

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Mon Jan 08, 2024 4:23 pm looks like long con is dying though so gl gl

Ew.

I don't know if I like this post. This is going out of the way to enable wifom with a voice too sure of a result.

"Is it tmi, idk"
"Is it anti tmi, idk"

Feels like a breadcrumb a wolf would drop for use later.

Come back to this post later if needed.

with the context of SPF's immediate vote on nutella, I am skeptical of this just because it kind of feels... shruggy, like SPF just isn't caring about that

wait what explain

nutella wrote: ↑Mon Jan 08, 2024 5:35 pm

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Mon Jan 08, 2024 5:29 pm im gonna be honest though, the real argument for you being mafia is just the fact that your vibes are off lol

nutella is a great player but she is caught almost immediately whenever she's mafia. this is because she struggles to project towniness and solving in the same way that she does as town, and her general posts are stilted and uncomfortable

nutella is a popular n1 kill in most town games that she plays bcuz she's such a fierce solver and so good at projecting towniness

and here we are on d3 and she has done nothing but tunnel two villagers to death with shakey reasoning while making no attempt to meaningfully re-assess or shake up her wolrdview, while not towntelling

she's just outed mafia idk what to say lol

yeah there is no way you actually believe this lol

my perspectives have been clear throughout the thread

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Mon Jan 08, 2024 4:29 pm

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Mon Jan 08, 2024 4:23 pm looks like long con is dying though so gl gl

Ew.

I don't know if I like this post. This is going out of the way to enable wifom with a voice too sure of a result.

"Is it tmi, idk"
"Is it anti tmi, idk"

Feels like a breadcrumb a wolf would drop for use later.

Come back to this post later if needed.

pyxxy wrote: ↑Mon Jan 08, 2024 5:31 pm

Porscha wrote: ↑Mon Jan 08, 2024 4:08 pm I like to believe LC submitted the first song and nutella the latter

it turns out we were not on the same page

pyxxy wrote: ↑Sun Jan 07, 2024 4:25 pm

Cape90 wrote: ↑Sun Jan 07, 2024 1:17 pm

pyxxy wrote: ↑Sat Jan 06, 2024 3:15 am

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Fri Jan 05, 2024 9:57 pm

Long Con wrote: ↑Fri Jan 05, 2024 9:47 pm

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Fri Jan 05, 2024 9:45 pm kinda think that porscha's convicftion about robyn being mafia on page 4 was coming from a real place

What makes you think that? I think Porscha's town as well.

porscha's sentiment that she had secret reasons to scumread robyn that she didn't feel like posting because she knew they would be ignored and invalidated felt like a real perspective to me - i think that wolves usually like their pushes to come off as more clean and logical, and so her push being based on something secret and her digging her heels in when she got pressured made it feel like a real pov

spf apologies but I think you are scum for this post

but why?

it reads as extremely post-facto, which is a phrase I just made up

it's a read based entirely in the past and with little risk to the present

it looks like work, but with the thread somewhat leaving Porscha alone and thus spewing her as town, along with Porscha's obvious solving, this is a lot of words to make a read look more thoughtful and developed than it actually is

it's not solving to post "Porscha town and uhhhhh the wagons look gr8, better flip both of them to be super sure there's not a wolf in there"

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Sun Jan 07, 2024 2:06 pm

Cape90 wrote: ↑Sun Jan 07, 2024 1:31 pm

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Sat Jan 06, 2024 8:28 pm

Long Con wrote: ↑Sat Jan 06, 2024 7:24 pm Wilgy's posts on Abi and LoRab don't make sense to me.

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DrWilgy wrote: ↑Fri Jan 05, 2024 3:24 pm LoRab

LoRab wrote: ↑Fri Jan 05, 2024 12:13 pm

Long Con wrote: ↑Thu Jan 04, 2024 11:53 pm Good thoughts, LoRab! Welcome to the game.

What kind of strategy were you thinking? Someone suggested putting up one (town) player to try and boost their power, and one (wolf) player to eliminate... but that plan has an obvious downside, were we to pick the wrong song. Who suggested that? Suspicious.

I'm not sure. But I think it should be discussed. I don't remember who suggested that plan...but I'm not sure putting it out there to be discussed is a bad thing. I think we should all have a conversation about how to decide who to put up. I'm trying to think through a strategy that the baddies couldn't manipulate to their advantage.

I also don't remember who said that they'd probably be weird (not their word but I can't remember the word they used) and try to figure out who chose each video. I don't think that's weird at all. I mean, really--it's kind of how the game is set up. That's why we can't hint at our songs...and I can't see a strategy that doesn't involve figuring out whose music is whose once the battle begins.

Also adding, I would have likely voted for Robyn on Day 1--her reaction to being suspected, especially towards LA, was harsh--in a cornered animal kind of way. Also, she didn't seem happy in the game--in the way that many in this wave of players seem to not like being mafia (also, what's up with that?) My not being that way was one of the ways she suspected me in Ted Lasso. And her refusal to answer any suspicion really sat wrong with me. No idea where her allegiance is (or was), but my gut says not civvie.

Only real substantial post, but the timing of it is good in the fact that if Robyn flips town we can basically put LoRab down as townfirmed. Robyn is dead, we know Robyn is dead, we don't know alignment, but for LoRab to come in after the fact and be like "Robyn is Wolfy" where they could be wrong when it doesn't matter, is not something a wolf would make possible. It's not a necessary risk.

Now if Robyn is wolf, we'd need more from LoRab to see if this isn't just some sort of easy credit yoink.

(Also it was me, I brought up the discussion on who we should send to the battle to see what people advised, I'll pretty much remain going in my wolf reads though regardless)

It's not "risky" for a Wolf to say, after it's a done deal, that they would have voted for Robyn, and that she thought Robyn's play was wolfy. For you to "townfirm" LoRab over something that would basically be an easy throwaway post of "look I have no TMI" doesn't sit well at all.
Further, there's no credit to be had if LoRab was right, and Robyn had been a Wolf. LoRab didn't help find the Wolf, and trying to get credit being right while not voting for her is the thing that's more "risky", because that would expose some level of TMI.

That your presented logic is so backward makes me think that LoRab might actually be town, and you are less than subtly trying to pocket her.

Aye, so it is in fact risky for a wolf to say. Wolves, who are too wrong too often, inevitably run the course of 'why are they wrong so much? Oh, its because they are a wolf' by enabling being wrong, for seemingly no reward, all it does is add content to the thread that help us explore LoRab's headspace. I don't think a W actively needs to do that, so why would W LoRab do this?

There definitely is a sense of 'credit' when a flip hasn't happened yet. It goes back to the 'correct vs incorrect' at the very least, LoRab would've obtained the argument 'BUT I WAS CORRECT ABOUT W ROBYN' vote placed or not.

Pretty sure SPF saw the same thing and said specifically, if LoRab was a wolf, that the post is clever, and I agree with that completely. If LoRab is a wolf and made that post, it very effectively broke down a sense of TMI in town observers and also put them on the incorrect side of the flip, trading that cushion for a firm appearance as town. I really don't think wolves inherently do that, if W LoRab did it was in fact very lv3 wolf play, and thus it's just more likely a town play.

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DrWilgy wrote: ↑Fri Jan 05, 2024 3:11 pm Let's do some reads before EoN. This will be post ISO skims.

Abi - Feels pretty normal, where the wolf range and town range are blurred as Abi's ability to town read players comes across easily as tmi. I'd say the lean towards town Abi seems to lay in some of the questions/discussions they are making as there's more semblance of processing their tr's rather than utilizing them.

I will advise that there seems to be hesitation on the town reads that seems to be somewhat similar to the threads momentum and that's worth note:

☆Princess Abigail☆ wrote: ↑Thu Jan 04, 2024 2:37 pm Robyn is now doing the thing I thought wolf robyn would do like wut

Two players had voted Robyn prior to this one

☆Princess Abigail☆ wrote: ↑Thu Jan 04, 2024 5:10 am I maybe town cored Nutella to fast and I need to stop doing that but I'm not changing it now

This one is exception, there's not a momentum shift when this post happens.

☆Princess Abigail☆ wrote: ↑Fri Jan 05, 2024 10:45 am Also I agree with sheep that Wilgy feels weird

and this one follows multiple voices declaring the same.

From a town perspective, there's nothing wrong with reassessment on reads, and the "yeah I agree" does happen.

From a wolf perspective, Abi is responding to momentum to keep their PoE open.

I think the only way to tell with this one is through assoc and effort. Abi should be able to find a pelt assuming they are town. The TRs being tmi will inevitably show if Abi is wolf as long as we keep an eye open to it.

Abi holds a dichotomy with SPF and Porscha against Sheep.

Worth noting that Abi has not mentioned Pyx outside of hellos yet voted for the slot.

Why did you say we'd be able to tell that Abi is Wolf by judging her townreads. How would they "inevitably" show as TMI? Are you saying she never townreads a Wolf partner? If so, then surely you have noted who she didn't townread, if it's an inevitablity? How does this statement hold any credibility if you give it away this early in the game?? You're... not worried at all that she clearly has the ability to read, and could EXTREMELY EASILY confound this so-called inevitability?

Several statements about her here, but the only thing close to an attempt to read her is the sketchy and dubious statement that I criticized above.

Abi as a player makes very good town reads regardless of alignment. They either utilize TMI OR they are just good at town reading the correct players. When Abi is correct too often or incorrect too often, can you find the reason as to why they were incorrect? That's how you find Abi's alignment. If Abi gives an unearned tr that is incorrect, you probably found their partner. When Abi doesn't give a tr that should be more obvious, that's where you've found their push. It's very much a meta call on this behavior, but it's observable and I've seen it several times now. Abi is hard to read d1 and easier to read late game because of this and thus the read on Abi becomes 'inevitable.'

slightly bothered by this and the Abi segment in general

Why?

Long Con wrote: ↑Sun Jan 07, 2024 1:58 pm

Cape90 wrote: ↑Sun Jan 07, 2024 1:51 pm

Long Con wrote: ↑Sun Jan 07, 2024 1:03 am

pyxxy wrote: ↑Sun Jan 07, 2024 1:01 am

Porscha wrote: ↑Sun Jan 07, 2024 12:53 am

Long Con wrote: ↑Sun Jan 07, 2024 12:52 am

Porscha wrote: ↑Sun Jan 07, 2024 12:49 am

what about his read on you specifically makes you think it's tmi

The fact that he's right.

so you think you've been really wolfy in so that everybody should be scum reading you? lol

"people townreading me are sus, because I know I'm town, which if you follow the logic means that anyone who thinks I'm scum are not sus, and thus town, because they are trying to chop a town"

Jesus Christ, all I said was it could be TMI. I don't understand why that's so wrong to say.

hmm, I honestly haven't been wolfreading you as of late, but I have caught 2 wolves in a row for their usage of TMI and ever since then, i tinfoil that dang word

Then you should have several wolf reads off that tell already this game. Why single me out?

Long Con wrote: ↑Sun Jan 07, 2024 1:03 am

pyxxy wrote: ↑Sun Jan 07, 2024 1:01 am

Porscha wrote: ↑Sun Jan 07, 2024 12:53 am

Long Con wrote: ↑Sun Jan 07, 2024 12:52 am

Porscha wrote: ↑Sun Jan 07, 2024 12:49 am

Long Con wrote: ↑Sun Jan 07, 2024 12:46 am And pyxxy's confidence that I'm civ... is pyxxy the only one with that perspective? I thought there might have been one more player that at least gave me the benefit of the doubt. Maybe not.

Anyway, I'm saying that could be TMI from Wolf pyxxy. And it makes me a little sad to say it, because I love the things pyxxy says about me.

what about his read on you specifically makes you think it's tmi

The fact that he's right.

so you think you've been really wolfy in so that everybody should be scum reading you? lol

"people townreading me are sus, because I know I'm town, which if you follow the logic means that anyone who thinks I'm scum are not sus, and thus town, because they are trying to chop a town"

Jesus Christ, all I said was it could be TMI. I don't understand why that's so wrong to say.

Porscha wrote: ↑Sun Jan 07, 2024 12:51 am 13 player game... hard to say if 2 or 3 wolves

pyxxy wrote: ↑Sun Jan 07, 2024 12:33 am @Porscha I agree that there are two worlds here

game "easy", weird Nutella is scum, Long Con is town, you're town, SPF town, more solving to come

game "overthinking", weird Nutella is truly suffering from lack of content (note: who is Nutella using this argument with the most? need to re-read), Long Con is town, you're town, SPF is scum, and I want to kill Sheep just cuz

pyxxy wrote: ↑Sun Jan 07, 2024 12:19 am

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Sat Jan 06, 2024 9:23 pm to be clear im not ~that confident about nutella/LC being unaligned but the way nutella has kinda anchored herself into the game by constantly pushing on LC and calling him wolfy kinda reads to me as a wolf who is trying to get him miseliminated more than partners doing a distancing play

but see like

I don't like you hedging here

your world view is Nutella scum, Long Con town. own it

hedging like this just feels like what you're arguing Nutella is doing, setting up a Long Con mischop, except in your case it's after a Nutella mischop

I do agree that Nutella and Long Con seem weirdly committed to being the two wagons of the day, I would even interpret it in your world view, if I didn't think that you're helping create TvT wagons

I also never said "wolves are sitting back" and that whole bit, I explicitly said that you feel like you're setting up TvT wagons...and look, here are you hedging on TvT wagons

pyxxy wrote: ↑Sun Jan 07, 2024 12:20 am

nutella wrote: ↑Sat Jan 06, 2024 10:01 pm bleh i don't know sometimes LC is just inscrutable as town

this. this times a thousand, folks

Porscha wrote: ↑Sat Jan 06, 2024 11:26 pm God, it's like my brain's that tree,
and spf are those little cookie elves.

LoRab wrote: ↑Sat Jan 06, 2024 8:53 pm

pyxxy wrote: ↑Sat Jan 06, 2024 6:05 pm

nutella wrote: ↑Sat Jan 06, 2024 6:02 pm what is going on here lol

it's a repeat of Timelines Mafia

town is once again slacking

I have once again solved the game

Long Con is once again ignoring my solve

He's not ignoring it. He's bad.

nutella wrote: ↑Sat Jan 06, 2024 7:30 pm and yeah it does look like we'll be up against each other today so I do have to hope you're a hit but nothing you're doing is really causing any doubt

He's so clearly bad. He's spreading chaos. Like he does when he's evil. FEBbers gonna FEB.

He isn't even trying to pretend to seem civ at this point.

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Sat Jan 06, 2024 8:28 pm

Long Con wrote: ↑Sat Jan 06, 2024 7:24 pm Wilgy's posts on Abi and LoRab don't make sense to me.

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DrWilgy wrote: ↑Fri Jan 05, 2024 3:24 pm LoRab

LoRab wrote: ↑Fri Jan 05, 2024 12:13 pm

Long Con wrote: ↑Thu Jan 04, 2024 11:53 pm Good thoughts, LoRab! Welcome to the game.

What kind of strategy were you thinking? Someone suggested putting up one (town) player to try and boost their power, and one (wolf) player to eliminate... but that plan has an obvious downside, were we to pick the wrong song. Who suggested that? Suspicious.

I'm not sure. But I think it should be discussed. I don't remember who suggested that plan...but I'm not sure putting it out there to be discussed is a bad thing. I think we should all have a conversation about how to decide who to put up. I'm trying to think through a strategy that the baddies couldn't manipulate to their advantage.

I also don't remember who said that they'd probably be weird (not their word but I can't remember the word they used) and try to figure out who chose each video. I don't think that's weird at all. I mean, really--it's kind of how the game is set up. That's why we can't hint at our songs...and I can't see a strategy that doesn't involve figuring out whose music is whose once the battle begins.

Also adding, I would have likely voted for Robyn on Day 1--her reaction to being suspected, especially towards LA, was harsh--in a cornered animal kind of way. Also, she didn't seem happy in the game--in the way that many in this wave of players seem to not like being mafia (also, what's up with that?) My not being that way was one of the ways she suspected me in Ted Lasso. And her refusal to answer any suspicion really sat wrong with me. No idea where her allegiance is (or was), but my gut says not civvie.

Only real substantial post, but the timing of it is good in the fact that if Robyn flips town we can basically put LoRab down as townfirmed. Robyn is dead, we know Robyn is dead, we don't know alignment, but for LoRab to come in after the fact and be like "Robyn is Wolfy" where they could be wrong when it doesn't matter, is not something a wolf would make possible. It's not a necessary risk.

Now if Robyn is wolf, we'd need more from LoRab to see if this isn't just some sort of easy credit yoink.

(Also it was me, I brought up the discussion on who we should send to the battle to see what people advised, I'll pretty much remain going in my wolf reads though regardless)

It's not "risky" for a Wolf to say, after it's a done deal, that they would have voted for Robyn, and that she thought Robyn's play was wolfy. For you to "townfirm" LoRab over something that would basically be an easy throwaway post of "look I have no TMI" doesn't sit well at all.
Further, there's no credit to be had if LoRab was right, and Robyn had been a Wolf. LoRab didn't help find the Wolf, and trying to get credit being right while not voting for her is the thing that's more "risky", because that would expose some level of TMI.

That your presented logic is so backward makes me think that LoRab might actually be town, and you are less than subtly trying to pocket her.

Aye, so it is in fact risky for a wolf to say. Wolves, who are too wrong too often, inevitably run the course of 'why are they wrong so much? Oh, its because they are a wolf' by enabling being wrong, for seemingly no reward, all it does is add content to the thread that help us explore LoRab's headspace. I don't think a W actively needs to do that, so why would W LoRab do this?

There definitely is a sense of 'credit' when a flip hasn't happened yet. It goes back to the 'correct vs incorrect' at the very least, LoRab would've obtained the argument 'BUT I WAS CORRECT ABOUT W ROBYN' vote placed or not.

Pretty sure SPF saw the same thing and said specifically, if LoRab was a wolf, that the post is clever, and I agree with that completely. If LoRab is a wolf and made that post, it very effectively broke down a sense of TMI in town observers and also put them on the incorrect side of the flip, trading that cushion for a firm appearance as town. I really don't think wolves inherently do that, if W LoRab did it was in fact very lv3 wolf play, and thus it's just more likely a town play.

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DrWilgy wrote: ↑Fri Jan 05, 2024 3:11 pm Let's do some reads before EoN. This will be post ISO skims.

Abi - Feels pretty normal, where the wolf range and town range are blurred as Abi's ability to town read players comes across easily as tmi. I'd say the lean towards town Abi seems to lay in some of the questions/discussions they are making as there's more semblance of processing their tr's rather than utilizing them.

I will advise that there seems to be hesitation on the town reads that seems to be somewhat similar to the threads momentum and that's worth note:

☆Princess Abigail☆ wrote: ↑Thu Jan 04, 2024 2:37 pm Robyn is now doing the thing I thought wolf robyn would do like wut

Two players had voted Robyn prior to this one

☆Princess Abigail☆ wrote: ↑Thu Jan 04, 2024 5:10 am I maybe town cored Nutella to fast and I need to stop doing that but I'm not changing it now

This one is exception, there's not a momentum shift when this post happens.

☆Princess Abigail☆ wrote: ↑Fri Jan 05, 2024 10:45 am Also I agree with sheep that Wilgy feels weird

and this one follows multiple voices declaring the same.

From a town perspective, there's nothing wrong with reassessment on reads, and the "yeah I agree" does happen.

From a wolf perspective, Abi is responding to momentum to keep their PoE open.

I think the only way to tell with this one is through assoc and effort. Abi should be able to find a pelt assuming they are town. The TRs being tmi will inevitably show if Abi is wolf as long as we keep an eye open to it.

Abi holds a dichotomy with SPF and Porscha against Sheep.

Worth noting that Abi has not mentioned Pyx outside of hellos yet voted for the slot.

Why did you say we'd be able to tell that Abi is Wolf by judging her townreads. How would they "inevitably" show as TMI? Are you saying she never townreads a Wolf partner? If so, then surely you have noted who she didn't townread, if it's an inevitablity? How does this statement hold any credibility if you give it away this early in the game?? You're... not worried at all that she clearly has the ability to read, and could EXTREMELY EASILY confound this so-called inevitability?

Several statements about her here, but the only thing close to an attempt to read her is the sketchy and dubious statement that I criticized above.

Abi as a player makes very good town reads regardless of alignment. They either utilize TMI OR they are just good at town reading the correct players. When Abi is correct too often or incorrect too often, can you find the reason as to why they were incorrect? That's how you find Abi's alignment. If Abi gives an unearned tr that is incorrect, you probably found their partner. When Abi doesn't give a tr that should be more obvious, that's where you've found their push. It's very much a meta call on this behavior, but it's observable and I've seen it several times now. Abi is hard to read d1 and easier to read late game because of this and thus the read on Abi becomes 'inevitable.'

nutella wrote: ↑Sat Jan 06, 2024 7:27 pm man I'm trying to see a world where you really believe what you're saying but this just looks soooooo forced

LoRab wrote: ↑Sat Jan 06, 2024 4:29 pm

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Fri Jan 05, 2024 11:14 pm Allow me to add to my PoE conclusions, that Nutella/LC are the closest thing I've seen/felt to a dif check this game.

They aren't aligned and it's hard to think that there isn't a wolf in one of the players that kicked up the wagon on Robyn.

I'm not entirely convinced that they both could be bad. That said, I'm not seeing bad Nutella, personally, but I realize others are and I guess the reasons--especially as they are from people who have played with her more recently. However, one flipping bad doesn't mean that the other one isn't also bad.

Did that make any sense outside of my brain?

pyxxy wrote: ↑Sat Jan 06, 2024 2:47 pm

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Sat Jan 06, 2024 3:34 am can you tell me why u think nutella and long con are town?

yes and ty for letting me sleep I got a wonderful 9 hours

Nutella is acting strange and so I might be overthinking it. I'm even willing to call you two a personal difference check for how I'm reading the game. I think of Nutella as more active, more "towny" although that's not super helpful, and often getting N1'd for being obv town from the wolves' perspective. I don't see that here.

However, the general willingness from the thread to scumread Nutella feels less like town being correct and more conf bias + wolves being fine with chopping town Nutella. Enough that I'm think I'm willing to try to yank the wagons off Nutella and.....

Long Con! LC is just scumreading townies again. Doesn't feel like when I wolfed with him and he had awkward TMI problems.

This + the entire thread being happy with these two wagons tells me they are both town wagons.

pyxxy wrote: ↑Sat Jan 06, 2024 3:15 am

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Fri Jan 05, 2024 9:57 pm

Long Con wrote: ↑Fri Jan 05, 2024 9:47 pm

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Fri Jan 05, 2024 9:45 pm kinda think that porscha's convicftion about robyn being mafia on page 4 was coming from a real place

What makes you think that? I think Porscha's town as well.

porscha's sentiment that she had secret reasons to scumread robyn that she didn't feel like posting because she knew they would be ignored and invalidated felt like a real perspective to me - i think that wolves usually like their pushes to come off as more clean and logical, and so her push being based on something secret and her digging her heels in when she got pressured made it feel like a real pov

spf apologies but I think you are scum for this post

pyxxy wrote: ↑Sat Jan 06, 2024 3:11 am

Cape90 wrote: ↑Fri Jan 05, 2024 6:48 pm

pyxxy wrote: ↑Fri Jan 05, 2024 6:39 pm so what, we're working with

TonyStarkPrime
LoRab
Porscha
nutella
Sheep
Cape90
Long Con
staypositivefriend
falcon45ca
DrWilgy

+ me

TSP is milo problem. I could see him attempting to avoid meta via silence after getting caught quick in Severance. Occam's says he's just afk.
LoRab was summoned. skimmed game from 2015. seems to match fine. civvie
Porscha has whim and not accepting other people's worlds blindly. civvie
Nutella still making me feel odd
Sheep; sucks that Robyn died before explaining the Sheep obv details. will tunnel
Cape; I can't read Cape
Long Con; need to re-read
SPF; unsure
falcon can be town
Wilgy has an agenda and that makes me very suspicious

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Robyn voters were Long Con, nutella
pyxxy voters were robyn (town), DrWilgy, Cape90, ☆Princess Abigail☆ (town w/ untied shoes)

otoh maybe I just call Wilgy and Cape town and go from there

at this time my focus is on Nutella Sheep Cape LC

ttyl

You know you literally caught me as wolf in this game my guy.
https://www.mafiauniverse.com/forums/th ... ue-S2-M2G3

that was fluke OMGUS casing, no need to feed my ego

Long Con wrote: ↑Sun Jan 07, 2024 1:13 pm But do you find it "hard to think" we could both be town?

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Fri Jan 05, 2024 10:12 pm quick thought about mechanics: i think the optimal way to play this setup is to treat it like a normal mafia game, and simply do your best to figure out which person u want to vote out picked which song

this incentivizes t he wolfteam to choose songs that would be really hard to identify as coming from them, which is something im keeping in mind

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Fri Jan 05, 2024 11:14 pm Allow me to add to my PoE conclusions, that Nutella/LC are the closest thing I've seen/felt to a dif check this game.

They aren't aligned and it's hard to think that there isn't a wolf in one of the players that kicked up the wagon on Robyn.

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Fri Jan 05, 2024 10:03 pm

Cape90 wrote: ↑Thu Jan 04, 2024 4:07 pm

pyxxy wrote: ↑Thu Jan 04, 2024 2:20 pm @Cape90 what's with the Nutella read? Does she obv town on D1 often?

With most of nutella's posts I just find them... safe? You know? Like with the posts with content a lot of them wont have elaboration (with the exception of #221), also looking back there...

nutella wrote: ↑Wed Jan 03, 2024 4:07 pm

☆Princess Abigail☆ wrote: ↑Wed Jan 03, 2024 4:07 pm

nutella wrote: ↑Wed Jan 03, 2024 1:35 pm wilgy is townier than porscha i think

What if I said both are town

yeah probably

this convo kinda bothers me on nutella's end. Like if nutella believed both are town when she said "wilgy is townier then porscha i think" then it would kinda be a tad pointless to say, or at least say so without that clarification on the read that she thinks both are town though or whatever.

ok now we're talking cape is town too

Porscha wrote: ↑Fri Jan 05, 2024 6:39 am

Porscha wrote: ↑Fri Jan 05, 2024 1:38 am okay great sheep is also a wolf

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Fri Jan 05, 2024 2:24 am

Porscha wrote: ↑Fri Jan 05, 2024 1:38 am okay great sheep is also a wolf

Aye seems so.

I think it was Robyn that advised they were polarized. Unfortunate they wont be here to chime in.

If it's 3 wolves (4 misyeeter I think in a 13 man setup), could just be Pyxxy, Sheep and one of the more AFK players if not Nut or LC.

PoE and order feels like Pyxxy > Sheep > AFK slots > LC > Nut

☆Princess Abigail☆ wrote: ↑Fri Jan 05, 2024 3:15 am

Porscha wrote: ↑Fri Jan 05, 2024 1:38 am okay great sheep is also a wolf

I highly disagree

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Fri Jan 05, 2024 6:19 am oh sheep has been towny on this page too

this is a problem specifically

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Fri Jan 05, 2024 6:18 am i looked at the first few pages earlier and thought porscha and cape were both town but then i got distracted lol

ill get fully caught up tomorrow

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Fri Jan 05, 2024 10:27 pm alright i'm caught up now

porscha seems like an obvious villager

falcon seems towny

wilgy seems towny

lorab/cape both seem towny to varying extents but less confident there

tsp idk

long con idk i wanna say he's towny for pushing on nutella but i havent really individually found his posts towny

dont have any real reasons to townread pyxy they seem kinda deflated to me

i thought sheep was towny at first but dont really think so anymore, his posts are W/E

think nutella is wolfy