The Syndicate

tutuu wrote: ↑Tue Mar 07, 2023 7:15 am i think sheep is pretty similar to how he was while hydraing with me but i dont know him at all as scum

bereft said they're familiar. if bereft had a townread on sheep - it might be safe to townread sheep

Jaiden Underwood wrote: ↑Tue Mar 14, 2023 6:39 pm would you prefer sheep die or me? choose and ill see what i can do for you

Jaiden Underwood wrote: ↑Tue Mar 14, 2023 6:44 pm unvoting. i like where the votes are

Jaiden Underwood wrote: ↑Tue Mar 14, 2023 6:46 pm why am i being peer pressured into voting myself. what is happening

Jaiden Underwood wrote: ↑Tue Mar 14, 2023 6:48 pm @pyxxy vote me. im sure someone will follow
i believe in you

Jaiden Underwood wrote: ↑Tue Mar 14, 2023 6:49 pm i think if i tell pyxxy to vote myself enough eventually they will just cease to function and townclear me somehow

Jaiden Underwood wrote: ↑Tue Mar 14, 2023 6:50 pm

Syn wrote: ↑Tue Mar 14, 2023 6:49 pm

pyxxy wrote: ↑Tue Mar 14, 2023 6:47 pm

pyxxy wrote: ↑Tue Mar 14, 2023 6:46 pm @ literally everyone:

How is it scummy of me to tag the person that I am voting for, who would then have a vested interest in voting for me, even for just self-preservation reasons?

Like why would I do that? Why did I tag Sheep?

Only thing I can think of is if we're paired but like. Then why would I have stuck on Sheep instead of continuing to float around.

It's not like he's gonna exit the POE with my flip, regardless of my alignment.

Although now I'm realizing that maybe it was anti-town to tag Sheep because I'm town and me dying is worse than Sheep dying. But like, then if I flip mafia, it was a good play? But since I'm town it's a bad play?

@Syn help me I'm lost again.

sure thing buddy

[VOTE: pyxxy] aubergine

can you revote closer to eod im getting somewhere

Jaiden Underwood wrote: ↑Tue Mar 14, 2023 6:52 pm pyxxy casually un-deepwolfing syn. i do not believe this i just think its funny

Jaiden Underwood wrote: ↑Tue Mar 14, 2023 6:36 pm

pyxxy wrote: ↑Tue Mar 14, 2023 6:36 pm

Jaiden Underwood wrote: ↑Tue Mar 14, 2023 6:34 pm

pyxxy wrote: ↑Tue Mar 14, 2023 6:31 pm @Jaiden Underwood I will happily vote you today because falcon has once again abdicated his duty of giving a shit.

Doing so would fulfill my contractual obligations, stated here:

Jaiden Underwood wrote: ↑Tue Mar 14, 2023 2:46 pm

pyxxy wrote: ↑Tue Mar 14, 2023 2:46 pm

Jaiden Underwood wrote: ↑Tue Mar 14, 2023 2:45 pm @pyxxy wanna murder me itd be funny

I do but I'm waiting for falcon to show up before making any more moves

..thanks for the warning?

yw

I just can't move there first because then I would probably die, given we have Syn lurking on Unvote and Sheep as a complete unknown possibly last minute appearance.

coward

like

Sheep wrote: ↑Thu Mar 16, 2023 12:27 am

Cape90 wrote: ↑Thu Mar 16, 2023 12:25 am

Sheep wrote: ↑Thu Mar 16, 2023 12:22 am

Cape90 wrote: ↑Thu Mar 16, 2023 12:21 am i might be at jaiden just because i think it's only one of falcon/sheep based on what they have said today

I don't think it's jaiden tbh?

im trying to figure out if I should be scumreading the way they came in today, it seems so easy for mafia to do that.

Then again mafia would be concerned for survival so i am drawing a blank, also having you/falcon/lucy as mafia is eeeeeh

I was kind of hoping she'd come back tbh
weird as either alingment tho

Sheep wrote: ↑Thu Mar 16, 2023 12:22 am

Cape90 wrote: ↑Thu Mar 16, 2023 12:21 am i might be at jaiden just because i think it's only one of falcon/sheep based on what they have said today

I don't think it's jaiden tbh?

Sheep wrote: ↑Thu Mar 16, 2023 12:21 am

Cape90 wrote: ↑Thu Mar 16, 2023 12:17 am

Sheep wrote: ↑Wed Mar 15, 2023 11:59 pm

Sheep wrote: ↑Wed Mar 15, 2023 11:57 pm I think considering her death as an option further means it's not falcon/jaiden

which means there's (at least) one in cape/lucy

that's not fun

both bc like
falcon's not going to save her
and
falcon's not going to win the game
I get mishanged probs
then F-3 of pyxxy, cape, falcon
I sincerely doubt falcon wins and jaiden probably knows that

?????????????????????????????????????????????

oh i'm sad i din't notice you bolded something
and i thought i had to re-explain the whole post

wait did i
yes i did something weird
i'm confused now
F-7
no i didn't smh
lucy/sheep/cape/jaiden/pyxxy/Syn/falcon
If jaiden dies
Syn still gets the nk
then worst case scenario i get yeeted
lucy dies i think
or what idk pyxxy/lucy/falcon
falcon still loses

Jaiden Underwood wrote: ↑Wed Mar 15, 2023 7:03 pm thats so awesome i dont care. see you tomorrow

lucy wrote: ↑Thu Mar 16, 2023 12:15 am

Cape90 wrote: ↑Thu Mar 16, 2023 12:14 am

lucy wrote: ↑Wed Mar 15, 2023 11:09 pm my interpretation of town falcon is hero voting me/cape

gdi r u wolf?

i wish, this was a miserable town game by me, but i blame rondo/syn for destroying my influence and ability to solve

Sheep wrote: ↑Wed Mar 15, 2023 11:59 pm

Sheep wrote: ↑Wed Mar 15, 2023 11:57 pm I think considering her death as an option further means it's not falcon/jaiden

which means there's (at least) one in cape/lucy

that's not fun

both bc like
falcon's not going to save her
and
falcon's not going to win the game
I get mishanged probs
then F-3 of pyxxy, cape, falcon
I sincerely doubt falcon wins and jaiden probably knows that

lucy wrote: ↑Wed Mar 15, 2023 11:09 pm my interpretation of town falcon is hero voting me/cape

Sheep wrote: ↑Tue Mar 14, 2023 6:48 pm

pyxxy wrote: ↑Tue Mar 14, 2023 6:46 pm @ literally everyone:

How is it scummy of me to tag the person that I am voting for, who would then have a vested interest in voting for me, even for just self-preservation reasons?

Like why would I do that? Why did I tag Sheep?

I mean
I don't actually think it's wolfy

but mayybe it's like trying to look towny
me showing up is independent of if you ping me

pyxxy wrote: ↑Tue Mar 14, 2023 6:30 pm Cape, no sweat. We got 30 minutes.

You can understand that I've been tunneled by lucy for the last hour and so I'm a little excited. Sorry.

pyxxy wrote: ↑Tue Mar 14, 2023 6:25 pm

pyxxy wrote: ↑Tue Mar 14, 2023 6:23 pm

lucy wrote: ↑Tue Mar 14, 2023 6:12 pm

pyxxy wrote: ↑Tue Mar 14, 2023 6:10 pm lucy I'll pay you $10 to spend 10 minutes ISOing Sean like you promised

then you can come back and tunnel me again

(for legal reasons this is a scam and I won't pay up)

spew loses games, i've iso'ed you to make a read on you

if you believe there's anything in seanzie's iso that clears you then go ahead and post it

however just a priori logic says there's dick

Earlier today I quoted some Seanzie posts that show that he was trying to pocket me D1, then set me up for a miskill D3 if he could get the Neon wagon over.

He was positioning me and Neon as a difference check, which was part of why I found Sean odd! He doesn't normally do that, in my experience with town Sean! It felt like a weird motivation!

And Sean was so convinced about it, that helped me find him. I think Sean thought I really was pocketed.

Okay, it's in here where I ISOed Seanzie. Unlike you, nerd

Spoiler: show

pyxxy wrote: ↑Tue Mar 14, 2023 12:18 am Seanzie

D1:
- doesn't complete his town streak post, idk how we all missed this, clearly scum /s
- cape, tutuu, lucy, sheep
- case on bereft involves B scumreading lucy and sheep, + a little Cape
- Falcon town
- dislike Syn ISO
- null read this whole list basically: DrWilgy, pyxxy, Porscha, Syn, Le petit poussin

here's some D1 juice:

Seanzie wrote: ↑Sun Mar 05, 2023 3:18 pm Game something like this:

falcon45ca
Porscha [TOWN]


Sheep
lucy

pyxxy
RondoDimBuckle [TOWN]

tutuu
DrWilgy [TOWN]
Neon [TOWN]
Cape90

Syn

Le petit poussin [TOWN]

Bereft [TOWN]

Seanzie giving me some loving

Seanzie wrote: ↑Sun Mar 05, 2023 3:19 pm

Seanzie wrote: ↑Sun Mar 05, 2023 3:09 pm

pyxxy wrote: ↑Sun Mar 05, 2023 2:52 pm I feel drawn to syn le petit and bereft

Drawn in what way?

I just did a gth sort list and got exactly these three as my bottom 3, so assuming you're meaning "drawn to as suspects" (which makes sense with the Petit vote), I'mma say this is good.

@Syn you made a move towards sheep today, I approve of attempting to solve, does this D1 interaction in this spoiler make you feel anything either way?

Spoiler: show

Seanzie wrote: ↑Sun Mar 05, 2023 3:31 pm

Sheep wrote: ↑Sun Mar 05, 2023 3:24 pm

Seanzie wrote: ↑Sun Mar 05, 2023 7:01 am

tutuu wrote: ↑Sun Mar 05, 2023 12:59 am @Seanzie u are voting for one of my toe core and getting voted by another one of my toe cores

U are mafia and u will be chopped in about 19 hours

Toe cores sound painful.

Who was voting for me, and why is Bereft town?

Toe cores

anyhow
seanzie talk to me about your bereft read

They're outed mafia. They've done nothing but focus on weird irrelevant things and not take stances while lightly shading Lucy. They more-or-less tried to discredit Rondo, whom is a difficult person for scum to play around (this is assuming Rondo is town, which has at least like a 72.89% chance of being true), and they claimed to be townspewed even though I don't see it. The last game I played with them, I almost instantly got the feeling that they had a depth of understanding of the gamestate far beyond what some of their posts suggested, and I have not gotten that feeling at all here (they were town last game, so this is a pretty stark contrast from that). Besides, they're outed mafia.

@lucy do you remember this interaction with Seanzie at all? Did Seanzie's dismissal of your argument for town!Bereft make you suspect Sean at all?

Seanzie wrote: ↑Sun Mar 05, 2023 7:03 pm

lucy wrote: ↑Sun Mar 05, 2023 7:00 pm @Seanzie Bereft is being v towny, there’s a stark depth of thought and insightfulness/criticism that is absent from his wolf game

Can you link a wolf game of his so I can check this? I don't really dig meta reads I can't corroborate, and honestly this is a pretty stark 180 from my perspective (that the depth of thought and insightfulness that I quickly saw before is absent).

D2:

This is more interesting now.

Seanzie wrote: ↑Tue Mar 07, 2023 10:14 am

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Mon Mar 06, 2023 9:09 pm Seanzie needs a second assessment as the wagon being on Bereft instead of Lucy I think was mostly their doing.

I agree with all parts of this except the conclusion.

Pocketing me + setting me up after Neon will flip town

Seanzie wrote: ↑Tue Mar 07, 2023 10:31 am

Cape90 wrote: ↑Mon Mar 06, 2023 11:24 pm

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Mon Mar 06, 2023 9:09 pm Seanzie needs a second assessment as the wagon being on Bereft instead of Lucy I think was mostly their doing.

Yeah I wasn't sure about Seanzie on the wagon, and ofc pyxxy voted that wagon too but that was also a LATE vote

I think Pyxxy is probably clear from EoD wagonomics. The Pyxxy flash wagon was likely a save attempt to move away from Neon.

Openly disagreeing with Cape and calling Syn falcon himself and me town

Seanzie wrote: ↑Tue Mar 07, 2023 10:38 am

Cape90 wrote: ↑Tue Mar 07, 2023 12:10 am in terms of breaking up my reads

Porscha
Sheep
Rondo

tutuu
lucy
DrWigly

Neon
pyxxy
Seanzie

falcon45ca

Syn

Probably something like this

Assuming this is town->scum, I think your bottom 4 are all town, so please rethink.

- tunnels on Wilgy pretty intensely, solid wolfing imo?

syn/tutuujaiden not w/w?

Seanzie wrote: ↑Wed Mar 08, 2023 12:11 am Syn and Tutuu are voting with me, and I feel pretty meh about both of them, but I don't want to move.

hmm

Seanzie wrote: ↑Fri Mar 10, 2023 8:49 am

Porscha wrote: ↑Thu Mar 09, 2023 8:28 pm

lucy wrote: ↑Thu Mar 09, 2023 8:27 pm syn/pyxxy/seanzie

Certainly sean and pyxxy

No. Maybe Pyxxy.

D3

- Seanzie gets much much quieter, lots of talk about the double death but as Porscha (iirc? also lucy) noted, it's pretty clearly a distraction

I can't figure out what to make of this exchange, it should either clear or condemn sheep but I'm not smart enough to figure it out

Seanzie wrote: ↑Fri Mar 10, 2023 4:21 pm

Sheep wrote: ↑Fri Mar 10, 2023 3:53 pm

Seanzie wrote: ↑Fri Mar 10, 2023 9:24 am

Porscha wrote: ↑Fri Mar 10, 2023 3:00 am

Here is the deal I tutuu. If you truly believe tutuu was aware of neons softs, which I think is a good catch on your part, then the wolves would have directly killed neon last night. And if neon was for sure the doctor, there would have only been 1 kill no matter who neon went on. So I'm of the belief that you think the wolves did not know who wolf was and therefore tutuu is not a wolf, unless, and only unless, you are willing to consider rondo was the actual doctor who went on sean and neon was the standard nk. So let me know how you feel about that

Rondo explicitly said he wasn't going on me. You are full of agenda.

I am really starting to think it is either Rondo!Doc ->Porscha!wolf or Neon!Doc -> Porscha!clear as others have said, and yeah... this is really fustrating.

Do you have any read on porscha?

I am having a hard time reconsiling two opposivinf views on Porscha, which worries me.

- Seanzie starts putting my name in his mouth constantly while talking with Porscha/about Porscha
- Syn cases Seanzie like an entire day before the voting deadline, my gut says Syn is town, this feels like a bit early to bus even if the decision was already made?
- Seanzie OMGUS Syn + some Porscha shade with the Syn/Porscha w/w post

Seanzie wrote: ↑Fri Mar 10, 2023 8:18 pm

Cape90 wrote: ↑Fri Mar 10, 2023 8:05 pm Wolfy pop in to say Seanzie is town

Why?

Syn wrote: ↑Fri Mar 10, 2023 8:47 pm

Cape90 wrote: ↑Fri Mar 10, 2023 8:05 pm Wolfy pop in to say Seanzie is town

wrong

^ lmao

This is Sean still trying to get my vote off himself, imo

Spoiler: show

Seanzie wrote: ↑Sat Mar 11, 2023 2:00 pm

pyxxy wrote: ↑Sat Mar 11, 2023 1:32 pm

Porscha wrote: ↑Sat Mar 11, 2023 5:39 am

pyxxy wrote: ↑Sat Mar 11, 2023 5:01 am

@lucy gimme a second opinion, this post is D1 before any flips, it's not the only piece of evidence obviously I'm just tired and fixating and need to sleep soon

seanzie/syn are not w/w. I just don't see it as possible.

Why isnt it possible

Hmmm maybe I was just tired.

My thought was that there's no way Seanzie puts a scum teammate at 3rd most scummy in his reads list, DK is Bereft and then the NK is Le Petit, leaving Syn as Seanzie's obvious next push.

But I was tired and needed to sleep so I didn't re-read Seanzie again to see how he evolved on Syn. Which is why I'm maybe wrong here?

Sean goes from this D1:

Seanzie wrote: ↑Sun Mar 05, 2023 4:16 pm

Syn wrote: ↑Sun Mar 05, 2023 4:05 pm

i'm just vaguely discrediting you, homie

Can we chop this plz? tnx.

To this D2:

Seanzie wrote: ↑Tue Mar 07, 2023 10:35 am

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Tue Mar 07, 2023 12:01 am

Syn and Lucy are likely dif check still.

This is mostly due to alot of unresolved tension around Lucy's slot.

I'd sort between those two and go from there.

Syn/Lucy likely t/t. Bad post.

without much explanation for why.

Another cherrypicked quote:

Seanzie wrote: ↑Tue Mar 07, 2023 12:01 pm

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Tue Mar 07, 2023 11:54 am

kk, what's our gamestate if so and who am I wrong about being town?

Right now the gamestate looks like a sleepwalk into a bad Lucy vote. I'd prefer Neon or maybe Rondo, but could entertain other options.

You'll have to list your townreads if you want me to tell you you're wrong.

Hmmmmmmmmm okay.

I rescind Seanzie/Syn not w/w, but if they are w/w, they've been bussing each other today and I don't know why exactly they would do that?

My re-reading is far from perfect and that goes for my memory too, but I feel like Syn would just decide to go down today and submit to Seanzie tunneling him so that Sean would get a pelt and get townread.

Like I don't get what a scum team would gain by having lots of thread time and arguments between Syn and Sean which only draw more attention to both of them. Also why they wouldn't be relatively aligned on what to say to explain the doc death situation, or why 1 wouldn't lead with an explanation and the other just not comment at all.

Those two fighting specifically about the doc death and Syn specifically accusing Seanzie of trying to make things unclear by pushing every possibility rather than just the likely ones reads as....town catching scum.

That's why my vote is on Seanzie.

That cherrypicked D1 post was a gut reaction read - "Syn is being unhelpful so I want to chop this" those sorts of reads feel good in the moment, but the feeling faded rather quickly (being uncooperative is something that feels scummy, but town and scum both do it). Syn/Lucy felt very t/t butting heads, which is a stronger read, but then Syn's push on me felt wolfy today, and I had a hard time seeing a doc!Neon world since Neon didn't make a target clear in her posts, but that was because I hadn't connected the dots that there was a hammer so doc!Neon might have though she could have softed a target later.

"but then Syn's push on me felt wolfy today"
Does scum Sean say this about scum Syn in the middle of all these other statements? I don't know. And I'm not asking the audience >.>

- and that's about it for Sean, as he accepts his fate

Fin Seanzie.

TLDR:
I don't feel like I got much from re-reading Seanzie.
I mean, I got a lot, it's just stewing and I don't have any confident conclusions like I did when I voted Seanzie.

Hopefully the quote doesn't break. This is an excerpt from the post in the spoiler where I ISOed Seanzie earlier today:

D2:

This is more interesting now.

Seanzie wrote: ↑Tue Mar 07, 2023 10:14 am

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Mon Mar 06, 2023 9:09 pm Seanzie needs a second assessment as the wagon being on Bereft instead of Lucy I think was mostly their doing.

I agree with all parts of this except the conclusion.

Pocketing me + setting me up after Neon will flip town

Seanzie wrote: ↑Tue Mar 07, 2023 10:31 am

Cape90 wrote: ↑Mon Mar 06, 2023 11:24 pm

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Mon Mar 06, 2023 9:09 pm Seanzie needs a second assessment as the wagon being on Bereft instead of Lucy I think was mostly their doing.

Yeah I wasn't sure about Seanzie on the wagon, and ofc pyxxy voted that wagon too but that was also a LATE vote

I think Pyxxy is probably clear from EoD wagonomics. The Pyxxy flash wagon was likely a save attempt to move away from Neon.

Openly disagreeing with Cape and calling Syn falcon himself and me town

Seanzie wrote: ↑Tue Mar 07, 2023 10:38 am

Cape90 wrote: ↑Tue Mar 07, 2023 12:10 am in terms of breaking up my reads

Porscha
Sheep
Rondo

tutuu
lucy
DrWigly

Neon
pyxxy
Seanzie

falcon45ca

Syn

Probably something like this

Assuming this is town->scum, I think your bottom 4 are all town, so please rethink.

- tunnels on Wilgy pretty intensely, solid wolfing imo?

syn/tutuujaiden not w/w?

Seanzie wrote: ↑Wed Mar 08, 2023 12:11 am Syn and Tutuu are voting with me, and I feel pretty meh about both of them, but I don't want to move.

hmm

Seanzie wrote: ↑Fri Mar 10, 2023 8:49 am

Porscha wrote: ↑Thu Mar 09, 2023 8:28 pm

lucy wrote: ↑Thu Mar 09, 2023 8:27 pm syn/pyxxy/seanzie

Certainly sean and pyxxy

No. Maybe Pyxxy.

"I think Pyxxy is probably clear from EoD wagonomics. The Pyxxy flash wagon was likely a save attempt to move away from Neon."
Seanzie is so transparent here about his motivations.

He opened the game nullreading me, then quoting my posts and saying they were good, then townreading me....then this post?

Which just isn't true, since the flashwagon was Le petit (town), Wilgy (town, and he moved off), Neon (town), and lucy (unknowable elder god of mafia).

Sean was trying to start a narrative here to push once Neon flipped on D3+, to then go back to D1 and kill me because "there must have been 1 scum in those wagons".

This is also what I was jokingly tagging Sheep about but I do think that D1 VCA make me town. And then combined with Sean's posts here, I'm _really_ town

@Cape90 idk if you found the effort to read my Seanzie ISO but this is a better summary of it anyway

And I want you to see it.

pyxxy wrote: ↑Tue Mar 14, 2023 5:41 pm I agree that you are absolutely more dangerous than conf town Porscha.

The problem is, that makes it more weird that you're still alive. By your logic.

lucy wrote: ↑Tue Mar 14, 2023 5:39 pm

pyxxy wrote: ↑Tue Mar 14, 2023 5:37 pm

pyxxy wrote: ↑Tue Mar 14, 2023 5:36 pm

lucy wrote: ↑Tue Mar 14, 2023 5:32 pm

pyxxy wrote: ↑Tue Mar 14, 2023 5:30 pm Who else have you put this much effort into pushing today?

i believe you're scum and i haven't gotten a pelt yet this game, i think you're my first pelt

Then why weren't you the NK, lucy?

lucy wrote: ↑Tue Mar 14, 2023 4:41 pm

pyxxy wrote: ↑Tue Mar 14, 2023 4:23 pm

lucy wrote: ↑Fri Mar 10, 2023 2:48 am

Porscha wrote: ↑Fri Mar 10, 2023 2:47 am

I disagree. We off guaranteed wolf to give us breathing room and another day

then why are u voting pyxxy

@lucy did you really think that you were going to be the N3 NK or was this just a turn of phrase? If yes, why?

i thought i was

Explain to me from your perspective why you weren't the NK.

You thought you were, why did you think that?

Did you not have Porscha as mech cleared, since you knew Sean was outed town? So like, Porscha is always the NK there.

fucking christ. scum, outed scum

Lucy, if you were confident that Sean was outed scum because of mech, then you should have had Porscha as the mech clear.

And you didn't. So I want to understand why you didn't, and why you thought you were going to be the NK?

already responded

me being the d1 goc mafia day vig kinda supports my theory that i'm significantly more dangerous to maf than a conf town porscha

Jaiden Underwood wrote: ↑Tue Mar 14, 2023 5:37 pm eod is in an hour and a half right
im not good at time

lucy wrote: ↑Tue Mar 14, 2023 5:29 pm

pyxxy wrote: ↑Tue Mar 07, 2023 12:22 am

Cape90 wrote: ↑Tue Mar 07, 2023 12:02 am

pyxxy wrote: ↑Sun Mar 05, 2023 7:36 pm

Cape90 wrote: ↑Sun Mar 05, 2023 7:25 pm i am somewhat struggling to see pyxxy's come back as towny... kinda the notes thing is towny?

Why do I, pyxxy, as a wolf, want to come back to this EOD? Who tagged me in the wolf chat to come back, and what did they want me to do?

Neutral question. Just want you to think through this.

not really sure why this question was asked

also the notes thing was referring to

pyxxy wrote: ↑Sun Mar 05, 2023 3:27 pm

Seanzie wrote: ↑Sun Mar 05, 2023 3:09 pm

pyxxy wrote: ↑Sun Mar 05, 2023 2:52 pm I feel drawn to syn le petit and bereft

Drawn in what way?

lack of experience with them + lack of noting towny vibes during my reads

I'm experimenting with taking notes while playing mafia and tldr they're barely in my notes so far

feels like that might mean something. specifically mean something scummy. gtg soon tho

"i am somewhat struggling to see pyxxy's come back as towny"
I interpreted this as calling my return to the thread scummy. That's why I asked why you thought my return was scummy.

Did I interpret this wrong?

cape had it on d1 ugh

Seanzie wrote: ↑Tue Mar 07, 2023 1:08 pm

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Tue Mar 07, 2023 12:46 pm

Seanzie wrote: ↑Tue Mar 07, 2023 12:01 pm

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Tue Mar 07, 2023 11:54 am

Seanzie wrote: ↑Tue Mar 07, 2023 10:35 am

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Tue Mar 07, 2023 12:01 am

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Mon Mar 06, 2023 10:40 pm What's going on? I've not been paying attention, and I'll sheep through most reasonable gamestate explanation provided.




Cheers

Syn and Lucy are likely dif check still.

This is mostly due to alot of unresolved tension around Lucy's slot.

I'd sort between those two and go from there.

Syn/Lucy likely t/t. Bad post.

kk, what's our gamestate if so and who am I wrong about being town?

Right now the gamestate looks like a sleepwalk into a bad Lucy vote. I'd prefer Neon or maybe Rondo, but could entertain other options.

You'll have to list your townreads if you want me to tell you you're wrong.

Define sleepwalk, because I'm seeing Lucy holding contention at 3 with only 1 ahead of Syn with scattered votes that have been voiced as real by the others? This doesn't feel like a sleepwalk at all and there continues to be tension on how we solve the Lucy/Syn bobobingus.

TRs
Falcon
Cape
Rondo
Porscha

Light town to null is:
Tutuu
Neon

Can see wolbes hiding in
Sheep
Pyxxy
Syn or Lucy but never both

I also don't see Neon/Lucy being a thing. I at least believe the behavior between the two early d1 was not w/w.
I don't think Tutuu/Syn could be a thing as if it was a thing I don't think Tutuu would be as pro Lucy.
I don't think Seanzie/Syn could be a thing as I don't think you'd be so pro Lucy.
Neon/Pyxxy aren't a thing per the votes d1.
Sheep/Neon Lucy/Neon are also not a things per the votes d1.

If it's Neon, Sheep and Lucy are both town which would add alot of W equity to Syn.

If it's Lucy, Syn and Rondo are both town which would add alot of W equity to Tutuu/You/Sheep

If it's Pyxxy, Neon is town which further adds alot of W equity to Lucy/Sheep/You

Where am I wrong in drawing these lines?

So you're woofin', right?

Seanzie wrote: ↑Tue Mar 07, 2023 12:01 pm

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Tue Mar 07, 2023 11:54 am

Seanzie wrote: ↑Tue Mar 07, 2023 10:35 am

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Tue Mar 07, 2023 12:01 am

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Mon Mar 06, 2023 10:40 pm What's going on? I've not been paying attention, and I'll sheep through most reasonable gamestate explanation provided.




Cheers

Syn and Lucy are likely dif check still.

This is mostly due to alot of unresolved tension around Lucy's slot.

I'd sort between those two and go from there.

Syn/Lucy likely t/t. Bad post.

kk, what's our gamestate if so and who am I wrong about being town?

Right now the gamestate looks like a sleepwalk into a bad Lucy vote. I'd prefer Neon or maybe Rondo, but could entertain other options.

You'll have to list your townreads if you want me to tell you you're wrong.

lucy wrote: ↑Tue Mar 14, 2023 5:14 pm

Cape90 wrote: ↑Tue Mar 14, 2023 5:12 pm

Cape90 wrote: ↑Tue Mar 14, 2023 5:11 pm

lucy wrote: ↑Tue Mar 14, 2023 4:54 pm i think i'm somewhat easy to find as town but i think cape has been obv town entire game, i am however curious because it's accurate cape hasn't been pushed yet however i still tr him and i chalk that up to the t/t violence of me/rondo/syn

sometimes i dont get pushed in games

on the syndicate i do

sometimes i just dont

lucy was anyone pushing me in that one game that you were AlphaZero? Like seriously pushing me?

i just checked all 3 games appearing under alphazero's account and can't find in any that u played

pyxxy wrote: ↑Tue Mar 14, 2023 3:58 pm

Jaiden Underwood wrote: ↑Tue Mar 14, 2023 2:46 pm

pyxxy wrote: ↑Tue Mar 14, 2023 2:46 pm

Jaiden Underwood wrote: ↑Tue Mar 14, 2023 2:45 pm @pyxxy wanna murder me itd be funny

I do but I'm waiting for falcon to show up before making any more moves

whys that you silly old goose

oh sorry didn't realize this was a serious question

because of what I said before:

pyxxy wrote: ↑Tue Mar 14, 2023 6:16 am

Cape90 wrote: ↑Tue Mar 14, 2023 6:10 am unfortunately I am sleeping soon

I still have the heeby jeebies about how often Seanzie was specifically talking to falcon when falcon was not posting so well, but hey Porscha was 80% sure they were town so who am I to suspect someone who feels obvious.

But maybe killing outside of falcon is optimal because I think if we get the other mafia, it's easy to find out if the last mafia is even paying attention or not, that would feel maybe easy to gauge tbh. My guess is even if falcon is mafia, he probably isn't paying that much attention anyways and if he is not then he is town, I would assume if we kill a mafia and the next night kill makes sense, falcon is town

so i just talked myself out of voting falcon just now wow im so cool and tired

my very tired 3am gut read is that if we miss today, town falcon will appear in MILO, and if not, we kill him and it's his fault

if he doesn't show at all, implied in this is that he then would not be voting today, then I'm gonna majorly scumread him for it because that's beyond regular scummy falcon

as we saw yesterday, falcon was willing to leave his vote on Sean and then afk

Syn had that as a townread on falcon, I do too, but if falcon doesn't repeat the same behavior today _when there is much less certainty about how is a wolf_, that's scummy

Jaiden Underwood wrote: ↑Tue Mar 14, 2023 5:12 pm

Cape90 wrote: ↑Tue Mar 14, 2023 4:58 pm i will keep in mind jaiden has pocketed me when they were scum before

i did??? that was like my first scumgame in 2 years and i exploded after i realised i had to claim a limited use ti. which i hate

Cape90 wrote: ↑Tue Mar 14, 2023 5:11 pm

lucy wrote: ↑Tue Mar 14, 2023 4:54 pm i think i'm somewhat easy to find as town but i think cape has been obv town entire game, i am however curious because it's accurate cape hasn't been pushed yet however i still tr him and i chalk that up to the t/t violence of me/rondo/syn

sometimes i dont get pushed in games

on the syndicate i do

sometimes i just dont

lucy wrote: ↑Tue Mar 14, 2023 4:54 pm i think i'm somewhat easy to find as town but i think cape has been obv town entire game, i am however curious because it's accurate cape hasn't been pushed yet however i still tr him and i chalk that up to the t/t violence of me/rondo/syn

pyxxy wrote: ↑Tue Mar 14, 2023 5:00 pm

pyxxy wrote: ↑Tue Mar 14, 2023 4:57 pm D1 VCA:
DrWilgy (1): Porscha
Neon (4): falcon, Bereft, Syn, Sheep
Bereft (5): Seanzie, pyxxy, DrWilgy, Cape, Rondo
pyxxy (3): Le petit, lucy, Neon
Unvote (1): tutuu/Jaiden

N1 NK: Le petit

D2 VCA:
DrWilgy (7): Cape, Syn, Porscha, Seanzie, Rondo, Neon, tutuu/Jaiden
Syn (3): falcon, DrWilgy, lucy
did not vote (1): pyxxy

N2 NKs: Rondo and Neon

D3 VCA:
Syn (1): Seanzie
Seanzie (4): Porscha, pyxxy, falcon, Syn
falcon (2): Sheep, Cape
did not vote (1): tutuu/Jaiden

N3 NK: Porscha

@Cape90 fuck it, does VCA just townclear you? Can't believe crayons help me see things so much clearer. There's no reason for scum to have two on the Bereft wagon.

(that last sentence is the logical inverse of a perspective slip)

lucy wrote: ↑Tue Mar 14, 2023 5:00 pm my gut is still screaming at me that pyxxy is a wolf

pyxxy wrote: ↑Tue Mar 14, 2023 4:49 pm like this post didn't sell me in the moment

and the fact that cape has continued to make the most effort pushing me and sheep, who were the two people he wrote the most about here (besides townlock Porscha)

big meh from me on Cape

lucy wrote: ↑Tue Mar 14, 2023 4:53 pm regardless i think jaiden town now and i want the chop to be on pyxxy/sheep, believe there's a wolf in there but i'm still leaning towards pyxxy

pyxxy wrote: ↑Fri Mar 10, 2023 10:17 pm

Porscha wrote: ↑Fri Mar 10, 2023 3:37 am Like you even see in those posts sean and pyxxy defending each other. I'm 100% confbiased on this, good luck convincing me otherwise

Honestly I still townread Seanzie but all of this thread conversation is making me reconsider it. Once I'm caught up I'll re-read Sean and compare him to when I've played with scum Sean, pretty sure I did before and that's why I feel okay making a meta read on him up until this point. But now we're past when meta reads can suffice, I think.

Jaiden Underwood wrote: ↑Tue Mar 14, 2023 9:43 am its snowing. the snow is so pretty
i dont like cape very much their read feels forced
syn and Lucy are probably fine
i have nothing specific on sheep they just dont react towny
can i take a nap now im sleepy