The Syndicate

well you have... most of my legacy, kept getting a bit sidetracked but eh

porscha/pyxxy/falcon are scary names to have on a vote

well 2 are

thanks sheep im going there silently and not announcing it too!

I think that's possible

I'm not sure DADV is a thing, it could be just considering scum are in a good place if Seanzie is town

Alright I am gonna try solving this, i'm in the zone, listening to unfamiliar albums and ima be in the zone.

Sheep - 2493 seems like an odd comment to make considering that Sheep is now all of the sudden turning on me. Just reads as a lazy read to me, but then Sheep reconsidered so idk what that means either lol. I don't think Sheep is in wolf meta, their ideas are communicated clearer here then the wolf game I linked, and I didn't even mention that mash they just played on MU. Tinfoil says they were just tired of randing wolf making their wolf equity go up here. Not feeling it but thats why it's a tinfoil . I'm not sure I buy the turn around on me just given you said 2465 about me being potentially townier then Porscha not too long ago (but it is put in a hedgy way in which you can retract such a statement easily).

Sheep wrote: ↑Fri Mar 10, 2023 10:04 pm seanzie's my top vote out of these wagons by default

but also i'm staying on pyxxy lol

Odd. Mostly because you are on that unvote button right now. I felt like the comments toward pyxxy's large post potentially making Sheep able to townread them was a weird/lazy/forced post (i cannot find this post that i have in my head, i saw this in real time).
Sheep's push on falcon feels NAI to me.
Sheep's recent posts are just strange and towny in this sort of mix.
Could be pocketing Porscha.
Sheep's back and forths with pyxxy have been just really ??? like I get they were pocketing Porscha and all that, but Sheep had posts like 2142 in pretty much the middle of their pyxxy push vote (**this could have been day 2 though I probs should have checked**)
IDK I still feel like Sheep is town though, that's the thing
but im dropping to townlean for confusing me as of recent.

Porscha - I still feel like Porscha is obviously town so I guess this is a good "sheep". Highlights include

Porscha wrote: ↑Fri Mar 10, 2023 8:13 pm

Cape90 wrote: ↑Fri Mar 10, 2023 6:19 pm I think one of the best supporting reasons why not to kill Rondo there as mafia was because he was literally hammered a vote on town a day early.

This is even if lucy is wolf

I think that's a good point. But maybe wolves wanted his strong presence gone? He was kind of the backbone to the threadstate lol. I dont recall off the top of my head if pyxxy was in his list of people to vote off to win (I think rondo said pyxxy's eod 1 was clearing? I dont know how tho), but sean was in that list. (And before sean says "YoU wErE iN tHe LiSt ToO", I know)

lack of TMI

Porscha wrote: ↑Fri Mar 10, 2023 3:35 am PLEASE OPEN THE SPOILER TO SEE MY COMMENTS ABOUT EVERY POST FROM PYXXY IN THIS LIST

Cape90 wrote: ↑Wed Mar 08, 2023 2:43 am

tutuu wrote: ↑Tue Mar 07, 2023 3:06 pm I think pyxxy has been pretty towny these last couple of posts

okay bet

Spoiler: show

pyxxy wrote: ↑Tue Mar 07, 2023 2:57 pm

RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Sun Mar 05, 2023 7:58 pm2.PNG

for anyone analyzing this Rondo screenshot in the future, yes the counts are wrong, what I believe has happened is that lucy had just switched from Neon to me, given this post

lucy wrote: ↑Sun Mar 05, 2023 7:58 pm joined in on the fun

>objective statement only

pyxxy wrote: ↑Tue Mar 07, 2023 2:52 pm

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Sun Mar 05, 2023 7:59 pm Damn I trust players on the Bereft wagon more than pyxxy

Wilgy when you said this, do you happen to remember who you saw on the pyxxy wagon? There were either 2 or 3 people besides yourself depending on when you refreshed the page.

>useless question that appears to be useful that has no opinions. Talking to talk. Passing the ball while touching the ball the least

pyxxy wrote: ↑Tue Mar 07, 2023 2:48 pm

lucy wrote: ↑Sun Mar 05, 2023 7:58 pm joined in on the fun

lucy wrote: ↑Mon Mar 06, 2023 8:05 pm why'd you kill bereft WHEN I SAID HE WAS TOWN AND I VOTED TO PROTECT HIM

hey @lucy, if you were voting to save Bereft, why did you switch off Neon onto me in the last few minutes?

>"hey contested person, why did you >gotcha question?<"

pyxxy wrote: ↑Tue Mar 07, 2023 2:22 pm

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Tue Mar 07, 2023 2:20 pm

pyxxy wrote: ↑Tue Mar 07, 2023 2:18 pm wilgy y u h8 me

I could never hate you Pyxxy. You are very fun to play with.

However I do think you are wolfing this game.

good sir I haven't randed scum yet on this site and I don't plan to start now

>Tonally wolf in tandem with pyxxy's other content

pyxxy wrote: ↑Tue Mar 07, 2023 2:20 pm @DrWilgy if I flip town, do you plan to go after Neon D3? Do you think one of the top D1 wagons must be scum?

>"hey guy who thinks I'm wolf, do you plan on going on vacation soon? Do you think Italy sounds like fun?" Might as well have been said. No opinions. Attempting to sound inquisitive and solving by using objective information again

pyxxy wrote: ↑Tue Mar 07, 2023 2:19 pm

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Tue Mar 07, 2023 2:17 pm Further he says the thread is boring and dips rather than actually trying to go into the mesh of it. I don't see how that's town sided.

this I do agree with, unfortunately that was after where I quoted from, seanzie still not showing town to me

>not showing town
>>aka kinda wolfy, in poe
>>>backhanded way of saying it when that was the point where sean looked the towniest, imo
>>>>I'd call it an awkward hedge on a partner in hindsight

pyxxy wrote: ↑Tue Mar 07, 2023 2:14 pm

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Tue Mar 07, 2023 1:11 pm

Seanzie wrote: ↑Tue Mar 07, 2023 1:08 pm

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Tue Mar 07, 2023 12:46 pm

Seanzie wrote: ↑Tue Mar 07, 2023 12:01 pm

Right now the gamestate looks like a sleepwalk into a bad Lucy vote. I'd prefer Neon or maybe Rondo, but could entertain other options.

You'll have to list your townreads if you want me to tell you you're wrong.

Define sleepwalk, because I'm seeing Lucy holding contention at 3 with only 1 ahead of Syn with scattered votes that have been voiced as real by the others? This doesn't feel like a sleepwalk at all and there continues to be tension on how we solve the Lucy/Syn bobobingus.

TRs
Falcon
Cape
Rondo
Porscha

Light town to null is:
Tutuu
Neon

Can see wolbes hiding in
Sheep
Pyxxy
Syn or Lucy but never both

I also don't see Neon/Lucy being a thing. I at least believe the behavior between the two early d1 was not w/w.
I don't think Tutuu/Syn could be a thing as if it was a thing I don't think Tutuu would be as pro Lucy.
I don't think Seanzie/Syn could be a thing as I don't think you'd be so pro Lucy.
Neon/Pyxxy aren't a thing per the votes d1.
Sheep/Neon Lucy/Neon are also not a things per the votes d1.

If it's Neon, Sheep and Lucy are both town which would add alot of W equity to Syn.

If it's Lucy, Syn and Rondo are both town which would add alot of W equity to Tutuu/You/Sheep

If it's Pyxxy, Neon is town which further adds alot of W equity to Lucy/Sheep/You

Where am I wrong in drawing these lines?

So you're woofin', right?

Provide a chain of thoughts based upon the associative thoughts

"So you're woofin', right?"

Alright Seanzie. You could at least try to interface with my thoughts here.

Wilgy, this feels like a very odd response from you. You know how Seanzie works. You know he just replies like this sometimes.

You seeming to be exasperated by this feels off.

>this was always a disgusting post cuz Sean's behavior always pisses off anyone he mindlessly tunnels. Especially town. "You know this person does this annoying thing! How could the annoying thing be annoying you??? Sounds kinda wolfy" LMAO OOKKURR actually so fucking funny

pyxxy wrote: ↑Tue Mar 07, 2023 2:13 pm

Seanzie wrote: ↑Tue Mar 07, 2023 10:15 am

RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Mon Mar 06, 2023 9:10 pm

lucy wrote: ↑Mon Mar 06, 2023 9:08 pm

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Mon Mar 06, 2023 9:06 pm We need to solve in you/Syn and we should have yesterday.

very reasonable

If its so reasonable why did you shit the bed yesterday going full ATE when I tried to push you over and resolve? More wolf evidence that Lucy is all over the place trying to justify herself

[VOTE: Rondo] aubergine

you feel like this rondo might be powerwolfing rondo? (sorry for back to back just posting all the quotes I picked)

>lol not even gonna grace this one with a response it just looks awful in hindsight. It's a loaded question with no opinion from pyxxy

pyxxy wrote: ↑Tue Mar 07, 2023 2:12 pm

Seanzie wrote: ↑Tue Mar 07, 2023 10:31 am

Cape90 wrote: ↑Mon Mar 06, 2023 11:24 pm

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Mon Mar 06, 2023 9:09 pm Seanzie needs a second assessment as the wagon being on Bereft instead of Lucy I think was mostly their doing.

Yeah I wasn't sure about Seanzie on the wagon, and ofc pyxxy voted that wagon too but that was also a LATE vote

I think Pyxxy is probably clear from EoD wagonomics. The Pyxxy flash wagon was likely a save attempt to move away from Neon.

thoughts on Wilgy's movement if you hold this world view?

Seanzie wrote: ↑Tue Mar 07, 2023 10:31 am

Cape90 wrote: ↑Mon Mar 06, 2023 11:24 pm

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Mon Mar 06, 2023 9:09 pm Seanzie needs a second assessment as the wagon being on Bereft instead of Lucy I think was mostly their doing.

Yeah I wasn't sure about Seanzie on the wagon, and ofc pyxxy voted that wagon too but that was also a LATE vote

I think Pyxxy is probably clear from EoD wagonomics. The Pyxxy flash wagon was likely a save attempt to move away from Neon.

I'm talking about my exchange here with Wilgy, where he doesn't bring up that Neon was also tied until I bring it up.

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Mon Mar 06, 2023 8:30 pm

pyxxy wrote: ↑Mon Mar 06, 2023 8:20 pm

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Mon Mar 06, 2023 8:17 pm

pyxxy wrote: ↑Mon Mar 06, 2023 8:13 pm

Extract:

"Le petit poussin, 4
Voters: pyxxy, tutuu, Cape90, Bereft"

everyone else gone by -40min from EOD


and then le petit _is the NK_ and flips town

this feels odd and/or I'm self-centered

also don't know what to make of Wilgy essentially saving me

It was effectively panic.

I still think you were a fine yeet option, but LPP being on that wagon along with Rondo and Cape being on Bereft made me swap last second.

Was Neon also having 4 votes a part of your panic calculations?

Si. Neon wouldn't have been a good yeet yesterday. There's still time yet for them to town spew.

Okay you are correct which at least makes me feel better about not going there. hopefully not a temporary sensation.

>Fights to ensure capes acknowledgement of Sean and pyxxy going onto bereft gets looked away from and let it rest on "whew yeah maybe neon is wolfing" which kinda just tmi'd wilgy town with the flips we have

Town (i know slightly scuffed and rushed).

pyxxy - Was looking at GOC day 1, I thought pyxxy's day 1 was a lot stronger there then it was here. 2560 I think has reasonable solving on Syn/Seanzie. I could see the logic. I think I would probably think the evidence there is stronger then pyxxy is giving off here tbh.

pyxxy wrote: ↑Sat Mar 11, 2023 4:36 am

Cape90 wrote: ↑Sat Mar 11, 2023 2:17 am In terms of Sheep, I always feel like they are a very straightforward read

when they are towny, they are town

when they are wolfy they are wolf

Sheep has given me town vibes all the way this game and it is of my opinion that they are really not that hard of a read once you know them

https://www.mafiauniverse.com/forums/threads/36135

Here im bad at explaining things. I feel like w!sheep here has relied on easy talking pieces and actually wasn't all that towny this game. Also they are harder to read the process of here then this game lol

skimmed sheep's iso and your iso from that game

It seems like sheep had to step up way out of their scum comfort zone in that game because of a newbie teammate outing on D1? Did I skim that correctly?

If so, does that change how you view sheep in this game at all?

I just compared the middle/end of that game to this game, even with the "stepping out of their scum comfort zone" in mind. They do have some odd jumps in logic like they have here, I still don't see too much the similarities beyond that, I still think Sheep was harder to read that game compared to here. So the answer is no. You have experience with scum sheep you would like to share?

Some of pyxxy is concerning to me, I didn't find thier long post particularly towny besides the work some of that took i guess. Tinfoil: they made this comment in part 1 of their long post, it goes as follows

So really just tutuu and Cape. I haven't really fleshed out this though, but if I had to suspect 1 of them, it would be Cape. I'll elaborate on this later.

This seems to be said with an already established mindset in mind when this isn't even in the middle of the post, it's one of the first points pyxxy makes. So in other words
1. they are establishing they are looking through a confbiased lens.
2. could point to there being an agenda.

Had some insight into the lucy thing

Because my read on lucy feels very WIFOM.

D1 scum lucy would have been some version of caught for the wrong reasons, which I could imagine being a factor in her decision to AtE as a defense. lucy has kept up the massive posting numbers and continues to lead the thread by a wide margin. I trust Neon to find town lucy amidst the AtE, but then Neon seems to stuck in the exact same mental spot as me:

I somewhat find the note on Neon to be a bit scummy. but eh okay.

I suppose the post has a decent amount of insight of where they were at.

I liked the note on lucy's 2212

Neon _does_ make no sense as the maf kill. Flips a D1 wagon that people didn't clear or town core D2. Does scum lucy just hand town this information after town managed to fucking _hammer_ Wilgy? I say no. The tinfoil stops here for me on lucy. Galaxy brain logic is never real. Town core lucy and if she's scum, well played. Or not. Idk. Town lucy.

I don't really get townpings from the rest of the post and the conclusions that are drawn from catching up, which feel relatively safe to me.

I don't like 2414 too much as this is right before their large post where they just say the same thing about Seanzie, that they need to revisit Seanzie.

There are points where it's like... maybe this is town? I kinda scumlean them though

Jaiden Underwood - Not sure what to think. I don't remember if I played with scum!Jaiden or town!Jaiden, I believe I thought they were town but thats where my memory fades on them. Not sure what to think of their turn around on me because I don't know how I posted towny content there lol.

lucy - lucy has been kinda fine today, dipped out of WIM city as soon as Rondo died. Obvious mafia

townlean

Seanzie - Feels like they are in their own world. Possible they could be scummy just based on them just casually moving on after DrWigly died. I think I could potentially see it despite liking some of their posts on glancing at them, not so much going any deeper really. Like the post about not wanting to move vote despite thinking tutuu and i think it was syn that was mediocre. something like that im running out of time.

scumlean

Syn - Im'a be frank, idk if i like their turn around on me just like that so idk i guess im fine with seeing this die. THOUGH, I sort of townread their posts moreso then other lurky lurkers?? Not like they are lurking at this point but it does at least today feel like they are weighing options i guess.

Null foir now as i rush this out

falcon45ca - Is really wolfy and I don't get why there is pushback against this slot. Only thing I can see is falcon turning around on their SR of me day 1. Otherwise, they seem a bit impossible for me to read as anything but a person who dont be doing stuff

scum

Syn wrote: ↑Sat Mar 11, 2023 7:28 pm make a big appeal and convince the lurkers to switch to me i guess

TRUE, lurkers like me

pyxxy wrote: ↑Sat Mar 11, 2023 4:22 am

Cape90 wrote: ↑Sat Mar 11, 2023 2:04 am

pyxxy wrote: ↑Fri Mar 10, 2023 10:50 pm I have some tinfoil spots on Cape that I wanted to mold into a cohesive case but I desperately need to eat dinner. The biggest thing that sticks out to me is that in all my other games with Cape, they were a D1 wagon (for very weak reasons in hindsight). In this game, Cape has _never_ been a wagon. That seems...odd? Why would scum not even bothering pushing what historically seems like a solid D1 miskill? D2....well D2 is a fucking mess.

I have found me not being wagoned odd as well just because yall like misvoting me and that hasn't even had a hint of happening this game. On one hand it's kind of refreshing. On the other I feel like my reads have been really bad this game lmao.

In GOC, there was town legit pushing for my demise and then mafia hopped on. I had good reads that game though (at least in terms of pushes towards EOD). This game? Not so much.

Day 2 was fine for me minus the early hammer.

Nice, glad you're observing the same thing as me.

Are there any players in your POE that you think would purposely leave you alive e.g. because they're not afraid of your town game?

Usually im left alive until end game so a resounding no is the answer to your question.

Seanzie wrote: ↑Fri Mar 10, 2023 9:37 am So yeah, I cannot find anything suggesting a soft from Neon (tbf, I was only willing to look at the first page of their ISO).

Rondo made 3 posts in a row that said
- I'll target Porscha
- No, I'll target Sean
- No, I won't target Sean, I don't want to die (fun way of stating a scumread on me).

Neon really seems to very strongly townread Porscha, at this I think is the best evidence that Neon could be doc - having someone that looks like a clear, but also Porscha usually is volume-clear so idk if I want to bet the farm on this. Was there anyone that Rondo was hard-clearing D2?

The thing I don't lie about Rondo!doc world is that it does pretty strongly point to wolf!Porscha, and if she is wolf, this is probably her best game ever (I guess I don't know all her games, but she is usually caught early IME). I really wish there were more deffiniate softs from either Rondo or Porscha, and kinda wonder if maybe Rondo actually just targeted someone completely different (or if Neon just didn't soft their target, which is not good).

idk, this is an unfortunate situation to be in. Someone tell me what to think so I can stop thinking about this.

nobody else was making this point

In terms of Sheep, I always feel like they are a very straightforward read

when they are towny, they are town

when they are wolfy they are wolf

Sheep has given me town vibes all the way this game and it is of my opinion that they are really not that hard of a read once you know them

https://www.mafiauniverse.com/forums/threads/36135

Here im bad at explaining things. I feel like w!sheep here has relied on easy talking pieces and actually wasn't all that towny this game. Also they are harder to read the process of here then this game lol

tinfoil on Seanzie: he would be more deflated over his DrWigly read being wrong today if he was town

pyxxy wrote: ↑Fri Mar 10, 2023 10:50 pm I have some tinfoil spots on Cape that I wanted to mold into a cohesive case but I desperately need to eat dinner. The biggest thing that sticks out to me is that in all my other games with Cape, they were a D1 wagon (for very weak reasons in hindsight). In this game, Cape has _never_ been a wagon. That seems...odd? Why would scum not even bothering pushing what historically seems like a solid D1 miskill? D2....well D2 is a fucking mess.

I have found me not being wagoned odd as well just because yall like misvoting me and that hasn't even had a hint of happening this game. On one hand it's kind of refreshing. On the other I feel like my reads have been really bad this game lmao.

In GOC, there was town legit pushing for my demise and then mafia hopped on. I had good reads that game though (at least in terms of pushes towards EOD). This game? Not so much.

Day 2 was fine for me minus the early hammer.

pyxxy wrote: ↑Fri Mar 10, 2023 10:50 pm Rondo responding to my powerwolf comment:
I had one very bad experience in WebDip mafia, in my only scum game, where a teammate (who I like as a person) committed to being obnoxious and rude in order to stink up the thread and it worked for days. You seemed to be taking a similar approach of commanding the thread, or at least taking up a lot of space, with annoying or (generously) prodding comments towards people that you suspected.

???? what does this have to do with the quote you brought up at this point in your second spoiler?

Jaiden Underwood wrote: ↑Fri Mar 10, 2023 10:26 pm

Sheep wrote: ↑Fri Mar 10, 2023 9:39 pm oh boring jaiden underwood has made posts but they're not AI

yeah im not very quick to get going on a site im new on with a playerbase which plays different than what I'm used to
also the font is smaller. that changes everything
my crystal ball doesn't like cape90 very much but im considering that being because ive met them before


i do however find it very funny that people call me my full name. i was gonna be called NEO降順VIRTUASOFTフラックス17, which i have no idea what means. im pretty sure i just discovered that names didnt have to be just english characters and numbers. itd be fun to see everyone call me that in its entirety
shockingly the account never got activated. wonder why

smh im literally town this game. the mafia are in syn/pyxxy/falcon/seanzie/lucy... if you aren't mafia of course

I don't have a good POE to be honest

pyxxy wrote: ↑Fri Mar 10, 2023 10:04 pm

Porscha wrote: ↑Fri Mar 10, 2023 9:54 pm Tbf my comments about you dancing around some subjects or asking busy-work questions werent directly tied to your meta, they were more so separate thoughts

ah okay, that makes way more sense then

don't read that wolf game, it's incredible toxic and hostile, also it'll give away all my secrets, I'm trying to play as much fm as I can so I get a scumrand for people to reference here on TS!!!

you care about your "secrets"? If you are town, why?

Syn wrote: ↑Sat Mar 11, 2023 1:39 am

Cape90 wrote: ↑Sat Mar 11, 2023 1:38 am i liked Seanzie's solving for the soft though

what solving

he ignored all the posts and then begrudgingly accepted what was already established pages ago lol

you know he literally added to points and didn't do this right? nice misrep

wow that post was a lot earlier, i didn't even notice lucy's "i dont wanna kill syn" arc. they are still on syn... literally with Seanzie

lucy wrote: ↑Thu Mar 09, 2023 11:54 pm one part of me wants to go seanzie

the other part of me wants to go tutuu/pyxxy because outed wolf seanzie isn't someone i wanna go immediately

we only have 1 Ml to spare, the second and we just lose, and we don't have doctor anymore

tell me more.

i liked Seanzie's solving for the soft though

Seanzie wrote: ↑Fri Mar 10, 2023 6:28 pm

Syn wrote: ↑Fri Mar 10, 2023 6:16 pm

Seanzie wrote: ↑Fri Mar 10, 2023 6:09 pm
I did read SoD3 and did ISO Rondo and Neon and don't know what you're talking about. Can see that you're not really wanting to engage though.

Carry on.

hey, remember when you made this post?

Seanzie wrote: ↑Fri Mar 10, 2023 8:55 am

Syn wrote: ↑Thu Mar 09, 2023 11:12 pm

Syn wrote: ↑Thu Mar 09, 2023 11:08 pm I'll vote the tutuu slot i guess

nvm voting seanzie

Fun.

well, six posts after that, there's neon's reads list

Syn wrote: ↑Thu Mar 09, 2023 11:47 pm

Neon wrote: ↑Tue Mar 07, 2023 5:33 am alive players

lucy - lean town
DrWilgy - lean scum
Sheep - lean scum
Neon - town
Cape90 - lean town
tutuu - lean scum
pyxxy - lean scum
Syn - lean town
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME- town RondoDimBuckle - town
Seanzie - lean town
falcon45ca - lean town
Porscha - town

this was neon's last reads list. as far as I can read, they didn't change this between the list and EOD 2

the only person they have marked as certainly town is porscha

i would love to engage

i just won't engage with very obvious fake ignorance

Sorry dude, but also not sorry. I read SoD3, I cannot remember every single post you quoted though, and yeah sure, maybe I should have remembered that one, but I didn't. I'm sitting here thinking you were referring to a readslist in the first page of Neon's ISO, which I didn't see, and was much fresher in my mind. I'm pretty clearly not being "fake ignorant", I'm just irl busy and doing what I can to keep up, so maybe check yourself.

Now that I've cleared up this "readslist" thing, I looked back at the original post you made:

Seanzie wrote: ↑Fri Mar 10, 2023 4:17 pm

Syn wrote: ↑Fri Mar 10, 2023 1:38 pm

Seanzie wrote: ↑Fri Mar 10, 2023 9:37 am So yeah, I cannot find anything suggesting a soft from Neon (tbf, I was only willing to look at the first page of their ISO).

Rondo made 3 posts in a row that said
- I'll target Porscha
- No, I'll target Sean
- No, I won't target Sean, I don't want to die (fun way of stating a scumread on me).

Neon really seems to very strongly townread Porscha, at this I think is the best evidence that Neon could be doc - having someone that looks like a clear, but also Porscha usually is volume-clear so idk if I want to bet the farm on this. Was there anyone that Rondo was hard-clearing D2?

The thing I don't lie about Rondo!doc world is that it does pretty strongly point to wolf!Porscha, and if she is wolf, this is probably her best game ever (I guess I don't know all her games, but she is usually caught early IME). I really wish there were more deffiniate softs from either Rondo or Porscha, and kinda wonder if maybe Rondo actually just targeted someone completely different (or if Neon just didn't soft their target, which is not good).

idk, this is an unfortunate situation to be in. Someone tell me what to think so I can stop thinking about this.

they softed they were visiting you in their third last post

it would have been one of the first things you saw on your "i only read their first page of posts" journey

so this is a fairly neat post of speculation about doc!rondo's motivations and the big mystery of it all while conveniently ignoring that neon's results and intentions are fairly straightforward to uncover once you look at them from the pov of doc!neon. you give lip service to the idea of a porscha clear (but you focus on neon's general "strong town read" and ignore their D2 reads list that explicitly puts porscha as town as opposed to lean town) but veer heavily toward the idea of The Great Unknown in the same breath. and I don't think you can simultaneously hold these beliefs.

fmpov, if you're town, the only logical path is pushing a doc!rondo world rather than attempting to obfuscate everything—the latter path is wolfy af

Who softed that?

I did not see Neon's reads list, you'll have to quote it if you want my comment on that.

I really don't see what point you're trying to make here, and feel like I'm being roped into an argument just to argue. What does me seeing or not seeing Neon's readlist have to do with anything? Or is the whole point here just to make me feel like you're poking at things when you aren't?

tho this post is an outlier in that tbh

Seanzie wrote: ↑Fri Mar 10, 2023 8:18 pm

Cape90 wrote: ↑Fri Mar 10, 2023 8:05 pm Wolfy pop in to say Seanzie is town

Why?

I can't say I know what your wolf game looks like. I have just liked your posts recently on Syn and are the towniest you have been all game when I typically have a read that mafia's posts generally get more bleh as they go on and not better.

You know what, I have an idea who Jaiden is, , they from FOL. Played them once

Porscha wrote: ↑Fri Mar 10, 2023 8:06 pm

Cape90 wrote: ↑Fri Mar 10, 2023 6:11 pm

Porscha wrote: ↑Fri Mar 10, 2023 3:44 am

Syn wrote: ↑Fri Mar 10, 2023 3:14 am

Porscha wrote: ↑Fri Mar 10, 2023 2:45 am

Syn wrote: ↑Fri Mar 10, 2023 1:13 am

Cape90 wrote: ↑Fri Mar 10, 2023 1:04 am

obviously neon would visit someone in town/lean town as weak doctor

this leaves

lucy
cape90 (me)
Syn
Seanzie
falcon45ca
Porscha (the only confident tr)

IMO it kinda doesn't look good for Porscha or lucy

Porscha for being a confident TR
lucy could have been a trustfall by Neon and lucy has been dishing out good content.

I don't see why mafia would target
1. the person who literally made it L-1 and ended up making the day end early by effect of rondo quick hammering (ME) (also it obviously wasn't since they are dead fred)
2. You
3. Seanzie (after wigly flipped town)
4. falcon

I don't understand why you'd sus porscha after this? that's a D2 list, meaning neon would have already visited someone N1 and found some way to breadcrumb the result

Neon townlocked me day 1 so trying to imply neon would have ever sr'd me is not graspable

idk what you're arguing here

It was really directed at cape as an addition to your comment, not directed at you to say something you arent already saying. My b

i acknowledged this as a comment as such, but then i raise you the question, why would weak doc go on their scumread then?

To find a wolf via dying or they thought the person was town are the only 2 reasons a weak doc would choose where to go

yes. and neon didn't seem to point to wanting to do anything in terms of the former, didnt soft something, I feel like solving for this later though tbh

i think hammer is 5

Wolfy pop in to say Seanzie is town

well actually

a wise sage once told me to vote on their townreads

[VOTE: lucy] aubergine

i know, and to make matters worse, it's now mountainous since our PR died

i could

[VOTE: Syn] aubergine

for now, I feel like pyxxy is probably more scummy though at this point

Jaiden Underwood wrote: ↑Fri Mar 10, 2023 6:26 pm

Cape90 wrote: ↑Fri Mar 10, 2023 6:21 pm i would make a joke like me and jaiden got here at the same time because we pinged each other in wolf chat

and so im going to because im bold

try pushing me now wolves!

this isnt true
i have cape blocked so i dont get pings from them

wow

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Fri Mar 10, 2023 10:18 am

Cape90 wrote: ↑Fri Mar 10, 2023 12:58 am

lucy wrote: ↑Thu Mar 09, 2023 8:09 pm also rondo dying and flipping town is glorious

question: is it glorious because you killed him owo?

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Thu Mar 09, 2023 8:11 pm I have no idea what's happening this game.

your mafia rand must be so easy for you huh

[VOTE: falcon45ca] aubergine

you slipping from ur town meta. u were kinda towny when u retracted ur read on me

also... yknow maybe i shouldn't base my meta from some game that was like... over a year ago and one where you just posted gifs the whole time and coasted. You haven't been towny since ur inception IMO

Syn wrote: ↑Thu Mar 09, 2023 8:12 pm

Sheep wrote: ↑Thu Mar 09, 2023 8:09 pm

lucy wrote: ↑Thu Mar 09, 2023 8:07 pm 6v3
no sleep
2 ML’s until we lose
neon was obv doc and rondo town
i’m gonna look for softs by neon

oh no
is this one of those wolf sweep games
also sorry neon for wolfreading you d1

I will continue to not sheep rondo's reads in peace.

this is... not a great post

It's not but it's a post.

IDK I don't find it particularly AI, not too sure why ur seeming too.

Sheep wrote: ↑Thu Mar 09, 2023 8:18 pm oh nice falcon(29)

As a certified not falcon reader I think those posts aren't great
wolfreading cape is weird but coudl be done as either alignment, but he also seems to be less connected to the game then I am so idk
Probably worth noting that their only reads are in response to a post from tutuu specifically asking for it

uh their neon read seems probably real (specifically the like "you haven't been towny" thing but I'm definitely not going to cry if he gets hanged

1. yeah they really aren't
2. correct, but it isn't weird if people literally wolfread me all the time, and probably for good reason since i kinda caused L-1 on accident like a poo poo brain.
3. their vote on wigly/me seemed pretty unprompted. In terms of 412, multiple people were doing this exercise.
4. They have dropped off a good bit after day 1. Like completely off and I await their recovery... if there is one.

Sheep wrote: ↑Thu Mar 09, 2023 8:23 pm pyxxy doing soft feels towny don't ask me why

I like their response to tutuu's question better but also 62% chance it's player-based

pyxxy wrote: ↑Sat Mar 04, 2023 6:25 pm

tutuu wrote: ↑Sat Mar 04, 2023 5:00 pm @lucy @DrWilgy @Sheep @Neon @Bereft @Cape90 @Le petit poussin @pyxxy @Syn @RondoDimBuckle @Seanzie @falcon45ca @Porscha

Could you try making reads on these 5 players?

lucy
wilgy
cape
neon
tutuu

lucy: I played against scum lucy in Holes mafia, lucy has no wim in that game tho, and I didn't get the impression that scum lucy is normally without wim. however, I'm liking these lucy vibes. tr

wilgy: I cannot read wilgy (atm?) and would rather abstain from commenting on wilgy. tbh I'm gonna unvote wilgy so that's clear since my wilgy vote was a joke anyway

cape: I think I've watched cape get D1'd as town twice now, which would be really funny if it weren't so sad. seems like the same cape that got pushed over those times. tr

neon: I hate the "I'm booooooooooooored" posts. I also hate when Sabi makes them. equally opportunity hating from me. but they're NAI _atm_ for Neon imo. otoh scum neon was with scum lucy in Holes mafia and I got to see that too...so, neon neutral, leaning town

tutuu: self-indulgent to include yourself in this question. neutral, but hard read you're the rolestopper in case I'm right and can claim town credit later

pyxxy wrote: ↑Sun Mar 05, 2023 2:52 pm I feel drawn to syn le petit and bereft

this one also strikes me as towny because curisoity or smth

That bereft vote is atrocious but so was that wagon probably wolf-motivated in some way

saying they expected rask to flip maf feels weird but also NAI (i'm so good ta making reads)

I feel pretty confident he's town but also this explanation probably sucks!!

i never noticed the comment about pyxxy being "drawn to le petit and bereft" I just thought it was NAI self-pres.

Are we in "lynch all slankers" mode now?




I am town, and there's like nothing to learn from my associations w/ others. Vig me, sure, but it's sub-optimal for town to noose me

lol there is no vig in setup

oh wait i missed a post or 2 about doing dishes

"im gonna catch up"
"this is my cue to log off"
"actually night yall"

so like, did pyxxy really just ?

i would make a joke like me and jaiden got here at the same time because we pinged each other in wolf chat

and so im going to because im bold

try pushing me now wolves!

I think one of the best supporting reasons why not to kill Rondo there as mafia was because he was literally hammered a vote on town a day early.

This is even if lucy is wolf

pyxxy wrote: ↑Fri Mar 10, 2023 3:44 am

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Tue Mar 07, 2023 4:25 pm

pyxxy wrote: ↑Tue Mar 07, 2023 2:22 pm

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Tue Mar 07, 2023 2:20 pm

pyxxy wrote: ↑Tue Mar 07, 2023 2:18 pm wilgy y u h8 me

I could never hate you Pyxxy. You are very fun to play with.

However I do think you are wolfing this game.

good sir I haven't randed scum yet on this site and I don't plan to start now

I've decided I wholeheartedly believe you and you are now locktown. Please lead us to glory.

@DrWilgy I'm gonna try, Wilgy. I'm gonna try. Rest in peace, my sweet physician.

------------------------------------

Note:

Spoiler: show

Okay here's me not being pretentious, we had friends over for like 6 hours today because I had to cook ahead of time, I was more focused on [REDACTED], I'm "caught up" but I want to re-read _everything_ because I still don't understand how Wilgy got hammered, I spent a lot of SOD being mad at my computer screen and blindly sring lucy for not immediately talking about how she begged for doc to target her during the night and now doc's dead so like idk there's some evidence there, but now I tr lucy and I'm honestly really glad that I didn't let myself participate in the thread while I was in a bad mindset, even though I think it might have helped people find me as town, I also had some mean things to say towards sheep, it was bad

see y'all in ~8 hours, that will leave over half the Day phase for me to go metal pyxxy, I'll try to slank my irl job and read from where the wilgy hammer started all the way up to now and make it easy for y'all to find me so that scum actually have to try today

ttyl

okay so

why wigly was hammered:
1. I decided to pressure DrWigly into responding to my points on him
2. This caused votes to go to 6
3. I was unaware that there was majority vote, i didn't even want wigly over people like syn/pyxxy
4. Rondo found it funny to hammer that vote so he did

Porscha wrote: ↑Fri Mar 10, 2023 3:45 am

Cape90 wrote: ↑Fri Mar 10, 2023 3:11 am After what happened.

I'm good voting a "worthless" vote

I have decided that you are not okay with your vote and you will change it at yourbearkiest convenience because "what happened" should not convince you to waste your vote

and im not gonna waste my vote... at EOD. I'm using my vote more as a tool rather then a call to action

Jaiden Underwood wrote: ↑Fri Mar 10, 2023 6:10 pm where the hell am i

you are outed wolf, how do you plead?

Porscha wrote: ↑Fri Mar 10, 2023 3:44 am

Syn wrote: ↑Fri Mar 10, 2023 3:14 am

Porscha wrote: ↑Fri Mar 10, 2023 2:45 am

Syn wrote: ↑Fri Mar 10, 2023 1:13 am

Cape90 wrote: ↑Fri Mar 10, 2023 1:04 am

Syn wrote: ↑Thu Mar 09, 2023 11:50 pm

Syn wrote: ↑Thu Mar 09, 2023 11:47 pm

this was neon's last reads list. as far as I can read, they didn't change this between the list and EOD 2

the only person they have marked as certainly town is porscha

(I am ignoring rondo being marked as certainly town because they said on D2 they were loosely considering rondo/lucy w/w, which they wouldn't if they'd peeked either)

obviously neon would visit someone in town/lean town as weak doctor

this leaves

lucy
cape90 (me)
Syn
Seanzie
falcon45ca
Porscha (the only confident tr)

IMO it kinda doesn't look good for Porscha or lucy

Porscha for being a confident TR
lucy could have been a trustfall by Neon and lucy has been dishing out good content.

I don't see why mafia would target
1. the person who literally made it L-1 and ended up making the day end early by effect of rondo quick hammering (ME) (also it obviously wasn't since they are dead fred)
2. You
3. Seanzie (after wigly flipped town)
4. falcon

I don't understand why you'd sus porscha after this? that's a D2 list, meaning neon would have already visited someone N1 and found some way to breadcrumb the result

Neon townlocked me day 1 so trying to imply neon would have ever sr'd me is not graspable

idk what you're arguing here

It was really directed at cape as an addition to your comment, not directed at you to say something you arent already saying. My b

i acknowledged this as a comment as such, but then i raise you the question, why would weak doc go on their scumread then?

Porscha wrote: ↑Fri Mar 10, 2023 3:35 am PLEASE OPEN THE SPOILER TO SEE MY COMMENTS ABOUT EVERY POST FROM PYXXY IN THIS LIST

Cape90 wrote: ↑Wed Mar 08, 2023 2:43 am

tutuu wrote: ↑Tue Mar 07, 2023 3:06 pm I think pyxxy has been pretty towny these last couple of posts

okay bet

Spoiler: show

pyxxy wrote: ↑Tue Mar 07, 2023 2:57 pm

RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Sun Mar 05, 2023 7:58 pm2.PNG

for anyone analyzing this Rondo screenshot in the future, yes the counts are wrong, what I believe has happened is that lucy had just switched from Neon to me, given this post

lucy wrote: ↑Sun Mar 05, 2023 7:58 pm joined in on the fun

>objective statement only

pyxxy wrote: ↑Tue Mar 07, 2023 2:52 pm

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Sun Mar 05, 2023 7:59 pm Damn I trust players on the Bereft wagon more than pyxxy

Wilgy when you said this, do you happen to remember who you saw on the pyxxy wagon? There were either 2 or 3 people besides yourself depending on when you refreshed the page.

>useless question that appears to be useful that has no opinions. Talking to talk. Passing the ball while touching the ball the least

pyxxy wrote: ↑Tue Mar 07, 2023 2:48 pm

lucy wrote: ↑Sun Mar 05, 2023 7:58 pm joined in on the fun

lucy wrote: ↑Mon Mar 06, 2023 8:05 pm why'd you kill bereft WHEN I SAID HE WAS TOWN AND I VOTED TO PROTECT HIM

hey @lucy, if you were voting to save Bereft, why did you switch off Neon onto me in the last few minutes?

>"hey contested person, why did you >gotcha question?<"

pyxxy wrote: ↑Tue Mar 07, 2023 2:22 pm

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Tue Mar 07, 2023 2:20 pm

pyxxy wrote: ↑Tue Mar 07, 2023 2:18 pm wilgy y u h8 me

I could never hate you Pyxxy. You are very fun to play with.

However I do think you are wolfing this game.

good sir I haven't randed scum yet on this site and I don't plan to start now

>Tonally wolf in tandem with pyxxy's other content

pyxxy wrote: ↑Tue Mar 07, 2023 2:20 pm @DrWilgy if I flip town, do you plan to go after Neon D3? Do you think one of the top D1 wagons must be scum?

>"hey guy who thinks I'm wolf, do you plan on going on vacation soon? Do you think Italy sounds like fun?" Might as well have been said. No opinions. Attempting to sound inquisitive and solving by using objective information again

pyxxy wrote: ↑Tue Mar 07, 2023 2:19 pm

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Tue Mar 07, 2023 2:17 pm Further he says the thread is boring and dips rather than actually trying to go into the mesh of it. I don't see how that's town sided.

this I do agree with, unfortunately that was after where I quoted from, seanzie still not showing town to me

>not showing town
>>aka kinda wolfy, in poe
>>>backhanded way of saying it when that was the point where sean looked the towniest, imo
>>>>I'd call it an awkward hedge on a partner in hindsight

pyxxy wrote: ↑Tue Mar 07, 2023 2:14 pm

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Tue Mar 07, 2023 1:11 pm

Seanzie wrote: ↑Tue Mar 07, 2023 1:08 pm

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Tue Mar 07, 2023 12:46 pm

Seanzie wrote: ↑Tue Mar 07, 2023 12:01 pm

Right now the gamestate looks like a sleepwalk into a bad Lucy vote. I'd prefer Neon or maybe Rondo, but could entertain other options.

You'll have to list your townreads if you want me to tell you you're wrong.

Define sleepwalk, because I'm seeing Lucy holding contention at 3 with only 1 ahead of Syn with scattered votes that have been voiced as real by the others? This doesn't feel like a sleepwalk at all and there continues to be tension on how we solve the Lucy/Syn bobobingus.

TRs
Falcon
Cape
Rondo
Porscha

Light town to null is:
Tutuu
Neon

Can see wolbes hiding in
Sheep
Pyxxy
Syn or Lucy but never both

I also don't see Neon/Lucy being a thing. I at least believe the behavior between the two early d1 was not w/w.
I don't think Tutuu/Syn could be a thing as if it was a thing I don't think Tutuu would be as pro Lucy.
I don't think Seanzie/Syn could be a thing as I don't think you'd be so pro Lucy.
Neon/Pyxxy aren't a thing per the votes d1.
Sheep/Neon Lucy/Neon are also not a things per the votes d1.

If it's Neon, Sheep and Lucy are both town which would add alot of W equity to Syn.

If it's Lucy, Syn and Rondo are both town which would add alot of W equity to Tutuu/You/Sheep

If it's Pyxxy, Neon is town which further adds alot of W equity to Lucy/Sheep/You

Where am I wrong in drawing these lines?

So you're woofin', right?

Provide a chain of thoughts based upon the associative thoughts

"So you're woofin', right?"

Alright Seanzie. You could at least try to interface with my thoughts here.

Wilgy, this feels like a very odd response from you. You know how Seanzie works. You know he just replies like this sometimes.

You seeming to be exasperated by this feels off.

>this was always a disgusting post cuz Sean's behavior always pisses off anyone he mindlessly tunnels. Especially town. "You know this person does this annoying thing! How could the annoying thing be annoying you??? Sounds kinda wolfy" LMAO OOKKURR actually so fucking funny

pyxxy wrote: ↑Tue Mar 07, 2023 2:13 pm

Seanzie wrote: ↑Tue Mar 07, 2023 10:15 am

RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Mon Mar 06, 2023 9:10 pm

lucy wrote: ↑Mon Mar 06, 2023 9:08 pm

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Mon Mar 06, 2023 9:06 pm We need to solve in you/Syn and we should have yesterday.

very reasonable

If its so reasonable why did you shit the bed yesterday going full ATE when I tried to push you over and resolve? More wolf evidence that Lucy is all over the place trying to justify herself

[VOTE: Rondo] aubergine

you feel like this rondo might be powerwolfing rondo? (sorry for back to back just posting all the quotes I picked)

>lol not even gonna grace this one with a response it just looks awful in hindsight. It's a loaded question with no opinion from pyxxy

pyxxy wrote: ↑Tue Mar 07, 2023 2:12 pm

Seanzie wrote: ↑Tue Mar 07, 2023 10:31 am

Cape90 wrote: ↑Mon Mar 06, 2023 11:24 pm

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Mon Mar 06, 2023 9:09 pm Seanzie needs a second assessment as the wagon being on Bereft instead of Lucy I think was mostly their doing.

Yeah I wasn't sure about Seanzie on the wagon, and ofc pyxxy voted that wagon too but that was also a LATE vote

I think Pyxxy is probably clear from EoD wagonomics. The Pyxxy flash wagon was likely a save attempt to move away from Neon.

thoughts on Wilgy's movement if you hold this world view?

Seanzie wrote: ↑Tue Mar 07, 2023 10:31 am

Cape90 wrote: ↑Mon Mar 06, 2023 11:24 pm

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Mon Mar 06, 2023 9:09 pm Seanzie needs a second assessment as the wagon being on Bereft instead of Lucy I think was mostly their doing.

Yeah I wasn't sure about Seanzie on the wagon, and ofc pyxxy voted that wagon too but that was also a LATE vote

I think Pyxxy is probably clear from EoD wagonomics. The Pyxxy flash wagon was likely a save attempt to move away from Neon.

I'm talking about my exchange here with Wilgy, where he doesn't bring up that Neon was also tied until I bring it up.

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Mon Mar 06, 2023 8:30 pm

pyxxy wrote: ↑Mon Mar 06, 2023 8:20 pm

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Mon Mar 06, 2023 8:17 pm

pyxxy wrote: ↑Mon Mar 06, 2023 8:13 pm

Extract:

"Le petit poussin, 4
Voters: pyxxy, tutuu, Cape90, Bereft"

everyone else gone by -40min from EOD


and then le petit _is the NK_ and flips town

this feels odd and/or I'm self-centered

also don't know what to make of Wilgy essentially saving me

It was effectively panic.

I still think you were a fine yeet option, but LPP being on that wagon along with Rondo and Cape being on Bereft made me swap last second.

Was Neon also having 4 votes a part of your panic calculations?

Si. Neon wouldn't have been a good yeet yesterday. There's still time yet for them to town spew.

Okay you are correct which at least makes me feel better about not going there. hopefully not a temporary sensation.

>Fights to ensure capes acknowledgement of Sean and pyxxy going onto bereft gets looked away from and let it rest on "whew yeah maybe neon is wolfing" which kinda just tmi'd wilgy town with the flips we have

okay u are town

I was also turning on my own statement earlier if you recall. You pointed out some of the reasons why a little bit

After what happened.

I'm good voting a "worthless" vote

Syn is already being voted silly

Okay the more I look at pyxxy the more scummy they are.

Reasons:

1) Hindsight with DrWigly

2) Treatment of Seanzie day 2.

3) making EZ reads when they were asked by tutuu day 1. Slightly hedgy TR on neon due to meta. TR on me because I "came off the same way" as when I did when I got miselimmed 2 times day 1. Could be TMI.

4) classic wolf question of "well why am I here EOD cape I would not do that as mafia even though I have votes like did mafia ping me oooo". Weird question. Wolfy question.

5) tone feels off

6) underwhelming

Regardless of Porscha's read on Falcon and whether I believe it or not (I think I do).

I still want to pressure him into getting into the game more involved like. And that's why I'm voting that over anyone else rn.

I'm also interested in seeing what Jaiden Underwood has to say about this game. Perhaps it can sanity check me on their alignment since idk

lucy wrote: ↑Fri Mar 10, 2023 2:30 am [VOTE: Falcon] aubergine

@Cape90 ima iso pyxxy in a bit but do u think that's viable today

I think it could be viable. I somewhat maintain what I said day 2 but I'm not trusting myself rn

lucy wrote: ↑Fri Mar 10, 2023 2:01 am

Cape90 wrote: ↑Fri Mar 10, 2023 1:50 am pyxxy
Syn

falcon45ca

if falcon is a wolf porscha is always a wolf

why?

Sheep

Porscha

lucy

Jaiden Underwood
Seanzie

pyxxy
Syn

falcon45ca

like somewhere around thereish.

for now im gonna avoid votes that will gain traction

never again

my god

Syn wrote: ↑Thu Mar 09, 2023 8:58 pm weird posts from porscha and sheep today

i actually somewhat agree with... some of this

Syn wrote: ↑Fri Mar 10, 2023 1:31 am

Cape90 wrote: ↑Fri Mar 10, 2023 1:24 am

Syn wrote: ↑Fri Mar 10, 2023 1:20 am

Cape90 wrote: ↑Fri Mar 10, 2023 1:18 am

RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Wed Mar 08, 2023 3:43 am if I was doctor I would be targeting porscha tonight

the silliest answer would be

lol kind of terrible that it's possibly either doc!neon peeked porscha n1 (town) or doc!rondo peeked porscha n2 (wolf)

i would not say n1

porscha n1 is the only one that makes sense in a doc!neon world

what am I missing here

i misread tour post, I thought both instances were doc!rondo

now ur post actually makes sense