The Syndicate

TownMisleaders wrote: ↑Sun Apr 10, 2022 12:27 pm
TreeReaper wrote: ↑Sun Apr 10, 2022 12:09 pm
FoolsGold wrote: ↑Sun Apr 10, 2022 11:53 am

updated sheet
if you haven't claimed, claim (looking at you @TreeReaper)
also would appreciate if everyone outted their difference checks
Fine, I won't dig in longer, especially with Gorta wanting to claim earlier. I get a bit stubborn.

We're villager with the wincon to get rid of spies/werewolves and any other threatening factions. Difference check was Skillsissue. Now you can all act as if this would change a read.

~Solic
why were you so reluctant to claim this? i don't get it

Because ordering me to do stuff, makes me less likely to do it.

And I do think it has added nothing to view of our slot. Skillsissue was flipped town, so outing our difference check would only serve to narrow us more easily down to villager without adding new information, because Skillsissue's first alignment had already flipped.

And it would just paint a target for spies/werewolves to specifically come after us.

Boquise wrote: ↑Sun Apr 10, 2022 12:27 pm
FoolsGold wrote: ↑Sun Apr 10, 2022 12:44 am Think I'm ok with yeeting Boq or Treereaper atm, and Lemon wanted Treereaper as well.
And I'd like to avoid trivia again, sooooo...
hmmmmmm
opportunistic m'lord tbh

I agree,

It doesn't make sense FoolsGold targets me when they are scum (presumably would be goodreading me then) and then now suspecting me for real somehow without anything major happening to make that change happen.

I'd like to test the scum stays scum theory on second layer as well.

**/vote FoolsGold**

~Solic

Millium wrote: ↑Sun Apr 10, 2022 12:26 pm
TreeReaper wrote: ↑Sun Apr 10, 2022 12:24 pm I've been thinking it's just rebels/villagers/town against werewolves/mafia/spies and it make sense to me that good layers to good and scum would layer to scum, even though there have been some accounts that were confusing that (so I didn't really read up on it). (But it doesn't make sense to have scum flip to good, because they could just out their original scumbuds) I don't think this theory is verifiably false on shown flips yet though.

~Solic
no, rebels is on the wrong side

Mafia and Rebels are both good
Town is evil

that's everything that was confirmed on my end by Osie

so its good
Mafia/Rebel/X
Bad
Town/X/X

with werewolf/villagers/spies, filling in those X's

which is now weird that CRich added a new alignment to this conundrum

Wouldn't that make Rebels on the right side in what I said?

But how does that work with Town numbers and flips thus far?

Did Osie confirm those things just on asking them or is there some mechanic providing you these answers?

~Solic

TownMisleaders wrote: ↑Sun Apr 10, 2022 12:25 pm
TreeReaper wrote: ↑Sun Apr 10, 2022 11:41 am
TownMisleaders wrote: ↑Sun Apr 10, 2022 11:13 am this push on crichard is rubbish, you think he just decides to make up a citizen faction and claim it as scum?
In the same vein I can ask why Whysper decides to randomly claim villager, but with a differently worded goal attached. I think Whysper is legit and that's also why we handed them laundry, because it means there is one more slot that would want to keep them alive.

~Solic
whysper is a tree and has no idea what's going on, there's a difference
wouldn't surprise me if she didn't even know the specifics on claimed wincons

Then why would she claim in the first place if she doesn't know it to be exactly what it should be. That makes no sense to me.

I've been thinking it's just rebels/villagers/town against werewolves/mafia/spies and it make sense to me that good layers to good and scum would layer to scum, even though there have been some accounts that were confusing that (so I didn't really read up on it). (But it doesn't make sense to have scum flip to good, because they could just out their original scumbuds) I don't think this theory is verifiably false on shown flips yet though.

~Solic

Tsumugi wrote: ↑Sun Apr 10, 2022 12:15 pm
TreeReaper wrote: ↑Sun Apr 10, 2022 12:11 pm
Tsumugi wrote: ↑Sun Apr 10, 2022 12:05 pm @TreeReaper wait what did ur ability do to me

I think we've been over this already...? It's investigative about the number of words that are in your ability text. You seemed cooperative enough to also answer the number you had without us having to reveal everything ourselves.

Also going to do some groceries now, so cya later.

~Solic
oh duh, sorry too much inportant to remember lol, whats the role even called?

Like I know the thread has acted like I'm ultra paranoid about anti-claim, but knowing that I am, I hope you understand I'm not going to answer this.

Now I'm really out of here for now.

~Solic

Millium wrote: ↑Sun Apr 10, 2022 12:14 pm
FoolsGold wrote: ↑Sun Apr 10, 2022 12:11 pm
TreeReaper wrote: ↑Sun Apr 10, 2022 12:02 pm I currently feel good about Milium and Tsumugi, that's also why I had decided to target Tsumugi with our ability.

I think TownMisleaders pushed the whole "it's just a FFA, so reads don't matter angle" too much, which makes me trust them less, but not enough to actually go after them, since I have been quite low efforting. I think their initial push on DKKoba was not as warranted, but I can see why it was continued after Math started posting more. I think the random comment they made on how we're somehow responsible for trivia murder super shady though. I haven't seen that resolved actually, so can anyone explain how it has to be someone causing it and not just rule #147?

Foolsgold just feels in default anti trust mode regarding us and I don't really understand why. The fact that they were scum at first, may make the antagonism more clear, but they haven't really addressed it openly.

~Solic
it's because you haven't claimed tbh
and you're the only slot to not have claimed afaik
i mean that's not true, so Arctic still has no claimed

Which is even funnier when they insisted everyone else should.

FoolsGold wrote: ↑Sun Apr 10, 2022 12:11 pm
TreeReaper wrote: ↑Sun Apr 10, 2022 12:02 pm I currently feel good about Milium and Tsumugi, that's also why I had decided to target Tsumugi with our ability.

I think TownMisleaders pushed the whole "it's just a FFA, so reads don't matter angle" too much, which makes me trust them less, but not enough to actually go after them, since I have been quite low efforting. I think their initial push on DKKoba was not as warranted, but I can see why it was continued after Math started posting more. I think the random comment they made on how we're somehow responsible for trivia murder super shady though. I haven't seen that resolved actually, so can anyone explain how it has to be someone causing it and not just rule #147?

Foolsgold just feels in default anti trust mode regarding us and I don't really understand why. The fact that they were scum at first, may make the antagonism more clear, but they haven't really addressed it openly.

~Solic
it's because you haven't claimed tbh
and you're the only slot to not have claimed afaik

Yea, not buying this, you also choose to bite us when not everyone had claimed already.

~Solic

Tsumugi wrote: ↑Sun Apr 10, 2022 12:05 pm @TreeReaper wait what did ur ability do to me

I think we've been over this already...? It's investigative about the number of words that are in your ability text. You seemed cooperative enough to also answer the number you had without us having to reveal everything ourselves.

Also going to do some groceries now, so cya later.

~Solic

FoolsGold wrote: ↑Sun Apr 10, 2022 11:53 am

updated sheet
if you haven't claimed, claim (looking at you @TreeReaper)
also would appreciate if everyone outted their difference checks

Fine, I won't dig in longer, especially with Gorta wanting to claim earlier. I get a bit stubborn.

We're villager with the wincon to get rid of spies/werewolves and any other threatening factions. Difference check was Skillsissue. Now you can all act as if this would change a read.

~Solic

I currently feel good about Milium and Tsumugi, that's also why I had decided to target Tsumugi with our ability.

I think TownMisleaders pushed the whole "it's just a FFA, so reads don't matter angle" too much, which makes me trust them less, but not enough to actually go after them, since I have been quite low efforting. I think their initial push on DKKoba was not as warranted, but I can see why it was continued after Math started posting more. I think the random comment they made on how we're somehow responsible for trivia murder super shady though. I haven't seen that resolved actually, so can anyone explain how it has to be someone causing it and not just rule #147?

Foolsgold just feels in default anti trust mode regarding us and I don't really understand why. The fact that they were scum at first, may make the antagonism more clear, but they haven't really addressed it openly.

~Solic

ATNoLeafia wrote: ↑Sun Apr 10, 2022 11:42 am hmmm, now I really want to know the alignment treereaper is because its not like they are shot anytime soon.

Your opportunism is showing, just because Gorta has pushed you

. I have no real opinion on your slot other than that you claimed neutral tbh.

~Solic

TownMisleaders wrote: ↑Sun Apr 10, 2022 11:13 am this push on crichard is rubbish, you think he just decides to make up a citizen faction and claim it as scum?

In the same vein I can ask why Whysper decides to randomly claim villager, but with a differently worded goal attached. I think Whysper is legit and that's also why we handed them laundry, because it means there is one more slot that would want to keep them alive.

~Solic

I won't be here for the EoD, so I'll talk to you guys tomorrow (day 5) ~ Gorta

TownMisleaders wrote: ↑Sun Apr 10, 2022 6:38 am
TreeReaper wrote: ↑Sun Apr 10, 2022 3:43 am I'm also not particularly sure on Zone being a wolf. I feel like I'm decent at reading Zone and I don't think Zone is being any more scummy than usual? I supsect ATNL and I think I remember Onion being weird, but I'm legit sorry because I've been playing this game so poorly because I'm very confused and not much is making sense. It's hard to know who or what faction is actually evil. ~ Gorta
brah he's literally outted

I was about to ask how so

Millium wrote: ↑Sun Apr 10, 2022 8:57 am @TreeReaper
No, Zone thinks he is a wolf, and he currently is a wolf, whether that means absolutely anything, well I still don't know yet

Millium wrote: ↑Sun Apr 10, 2022 9:22 am
Whysper wrote: ↑Sun Apr 10, 2022 9:16 am
Millium wrote: ↑Sun Apr 10, 2022 8:57 am @TreeReaper
No, Zone thinks he is a wolf, and he currently is a wolf, whether that means absolutely anything, well I still don't know yet
Just to be clear, you mean wolf in the general sense of informed minority and not specifically as werewolf, correct?

And he openly admits this? Does he talk about a factional chat or action or anything else?
Yes, and no Nanook admitted it for them both, but thats mostly irrelevant, cause like I said before, it was obvious zone was evil, I said it many times. Once Zone gets a role pm saying he is evil, even if he believes their are multiple faction, or he is uninformed, his playstyle and tonal shift, is so drastic and so noticeable

Oh ok, this must have been in this thread or in some chat we aren't a part of, but we can't even vote for zone right now anyway. ~ Gorta

**/vote ATNL** I need to sleep because I'm going somewhere tomorrow, so hopefully Solic can be here and I trust Solic's judgement if something comes up. ~ Gorta

I think I remember why I wasn't liking ATNL, basically ATNL's comments like "my death doesn't help you, oh and you can all die" and the neutral claim itself doesn't sit well with me. To me it seemed that the slot was basically doing the most anti town things and saying "haha, I'm a noot". I don't think a good sided noot talks like ATNL did and even if ATNL is neutral it doesn't seem like they are trying to achieve a good win. ~ Gorta

I'm also not particularly sure on Zone being a wolf. I feel like I'm decent at reading Zone and I don't think Zone is being any more scummy than usual? I supsect ATNL and I think I remember Onion being weird, but I'm legit sorry because I've been playing this game so poorly because I'm very confused and not much is making sense. It's hard to know who or what faction is actually evil. ~ Gorta

Vote us if you want, but I am part of a hydra and won't reveal our alignment because it goes against Solic's wishes. We are a team and if you want you can kill us for it, but we have already put out the info we have. ~ Gorta

ATNoLeafia wrote: ↑Sat Apr 09, 2022 11:42 pm Ok fr, I wondered what happened to Treereaper's case on me. It looks like they forgot.

was is me or Solic who was making a case? If it was me I forgot ~ Gorta

I'm back, sorry for the delay, got busy

Tsumugi wrote: ↑Sat Apr 09, 2022 5:01 pm zone is spotting nonsense in our ??? chat, send help plz

also zone can spout nonsense as town, but I will take a look at Zone as well. ~ Gorta

Whysper wrote: ↑Fri Apr 08, 2022 10:31 pm
Millium wrote: ↑Fri Apr 08, 2022 10:28 pm
SeonRichard wrote: ↑Fri Apr 08, 2022 10:27 pm
Millium wrote: ↑Fri Apr 08, 2022 10:23 pm
SeonRichard wrote: ↑Fri Apr 08, 2022 10:22 pm I'm inclined to believe the cop check on Whysper is legit, because I made no secret that I don't town read Whysper.
That being said, in a bastard game like this there are mechanics that could mess with a cop such as framer.
One problem I have with revealing the cop check this early, is that if it's real then Whysper can limit spew.

-CRichard
ITS FAKE

Oh it's fake? I was expecting you to tell me that the check was FPS on their part.

-CRichard
Tim Horton's told the chat he was in, that he was going to do it
Did he say what the point of this was? I just worried that people are only going to notice the fake red check and not even follow up in reading that it was fake.

let's find out then **/vote Tim Horton's**

~Solic

OHHH I just found out, but our left arm being bitten off apparently put our night phase back to 24 hours. We were initially 120 hour days 48 hour nights. I didn't connect the left arm being bitten off to the other result at first.

Tsumugi wrote: ↑Fri Apr 08, 2022 6:11 pm
Tsumugi wrote: ↑Fri Apr 08, 2022 6:10 pm
TreeReaper wrote: ↑Fri Apr 08, 2022 6:05 pm
Tsumugi wrote: ↑Fri Apr 08, 2022 6:00 pm
TreeReaper wrote: ↑Fri Apr 08, 2022 5:54 pm
Tsumugi wrote: ↑Fri Apr 08, 2022 5:49 pm @TreeReaper no i dont

I have an ability

and an item

Which the item i havent used at all since ive been using the oracle.
Ergo, you have hidden abilities, which I am speculating belong to your deeper layers of role/alignment.

Just checked and items are not part of your abilities.
one last time, what was the number,
I had to check with Gorta first, you should have 165 words in your abilities.
thank you, i counteed my entire role and it came to 188 or something.

Also I checked the wording of my role pm.

It says I have the following abilities yet I only have 1 ability.
if this is the same for others then igmore me, but that also means ur ability checks for peoples real roles.

It is the same for us, I don't know if this falls under angleshooting stuff... like rolecard formats, but I think we specifically target the text right under it saying these are your abilities paraphrased.

I too think we can see if there are abilities belonging to deeper layers of alignment like this.

FoolsGold wrote: ↑Fri Apr 08, 2022 6:07 pm Daeron is part of SkillIssue. Which I think is currently TImHortons, not certain, been busy.

So you bit Milium right? Why?

I think it wouldn't serve evil Whysper to just name a different win condition than what was already out there. I'm legit "villager" reading them tbh.

~Solic

Tsumugi wrote: ↑Fri Apr 08, 2022 6:00 pm
TreeReaper wrote: ↑Fri Apr 08, 2022 5:54 pm
Tsumugi wrote: ↑Fri Apr 08, 2022 5:49 pm @TreeReaper no i dont

I have an ability

and an item

Which the item i havent used at all since ive been using the oracle.
Ergo, you have hidden abilities, which I am speculating belong to your deeper layers of role/alignment.

Just checked and items are not part of your abilities.
one last time, what was the number,

I had to check with Gorta first, you should have 165 words in your abilities.

TownMisleaders wrote: ↑Fri Apr 08, 2022 5:48 pm
TreeReaper wrote: ↑Fri Apr 08, 2022 5:40 pm
TownMisleaders wrote: ↑Fri Apr 08, 2022 5:29 pm
TreeReaper wrote: ↑Fri Apr 08, 2022 5:18 pm
TownMisleaders wrote: ↑Fri Apr 08, 2022 5:14 pm
TreeReaper wrote: ↑Fri Apr 08, 2022 5:11 pm @Tsumugi how many words are in exactly your ability text? We have some information potentially.

~Solic
y'all need to claim something at some point
you've gone this long claiming literally nothing
That's literally not true if you actually read our ISO.... OH GOD I MISS MY EMOJIS HERE AAAAHHHHh

In addition, we can claim good aligned however, but that doesn't mean much I guess. Specifying a sub alignment within that would just make us an easier target.

~Solic
nah
i looked, you haven't claimed alignment, wincon, n0 difference check, or role
literally nothing, except about abilities targeting you
given the fact that you're in the pool of people who killed onion/dkkoba (48 hour night phases), plus the fact i reckon you're the one causing the trivia murder stuff, i need you to fullclaim asap
I don't recall you claiming very much either and iirc you're also in that group? We just claimed alignment and wincon is par for the course on that. In addition, we've been proven to be bitten by werewolves, so at least we're not aligned with them. The difference check we had is on a flipped player and would just narrow down our sub alignment for no reason, so no need to share it. The trivia murder stuff suspicion seems completely baseless and just thrown in there...
we have claimed everything except our role. don't appreciate the shade.
claiming "uninformed majority" is not claiming an alignment since this is multiball. therefore you have, like i said, claimed virtually nothing relating to your own role. hiding the difference check, while beneficial for you, is not beneficial for the majority. therefore it's in everyone (except yours) interest that you claim it, and not doing so will just be used against you.

You call me shady, yet you first randomly say we're somehow responsible for trivia murder game, which is just a rule actually...? Why should someone be responsible for it? We have already claimed virtually everything about our role now.

Tsumugi wrote: ↑Fri Apr 08, 2022 5:49 pm @TreeReaper no i dont

I have an ability

and an item

Which the item i havent used at all since ive been using the oracle.

Ergo, you have hidden abilities, which I am speculating belong to your deeper layers of role/alignment.

Just checked and items are not part of your abilities.

Tsumugi wrote: ↑Fri Apr 08, 2022 5:42 pm @TreeReaper i mean if its baseless all you gotta do is claim your role

also you need to explain to me what ur ability checks for because i counted the words of my roles ability and u said that wasnt right.

Is it my whole role?

I'm waiting on some feedback on Osie per what you told me about the items. You should have more ability text, hence you have hidden abilities. I don't know more than that.

Tsumugi wrote: ↑Fri Apr 08, 2022 5:31 pm @TreeReaper we will force an early hammer just to get off this site, if your just gonna continue to ride without claiming anything while expecting others to claim everything.

I've claimed literally everything that makes sense without opening me up for potential anticlaim.

Why do I need to press submit like 5 times, before I can post, this is excruciating.

~Solic

TownMisleaders wrote: ↑Fri Apr 08, 2022 5:29 pm
TreeReaper wrote: ↑Fri Apr 08, 2022 5:18 pm
TownMisleaders wrote: ↑Fri Apr 08, 2022 5:14 pm
TreeReaper wrote: ↑Fri Apr 08, 2022 5:11 pm @Tsumugi how many words are in exactly your ability text? We have some information potentially.

~Solic
y'all need to claim something at some point
you've gone this long claiming literally nothing
That's literally not true if you actually read our ISO.... OH GOD I MISS MY EMOJIS HERE AAAAHHHHh

In addition, we can claim good aligned however, but that doesn't mean much I guess. Specifying a sub alignment within that would just make us an easier target.

~Solic
nah
i looked, you haven't claimed alignment, wincon, n0 difference check, or role
literally nothing, except about abilities targeting you
given the fact that you're in the pool of people who killed onion/dkkoba (48 hour night phases), plus the fact i reckon you're the one causing the trivia murder stuff, i need you to fullclaim asap

I don't recall you claiming very much either and iirc you're also in that group? We just claimed alignment and wincon is par for the course on that. In addition, we've been proven to be bitten by werewolves, so at least we're not aligned with them. The difference check we had is on a flipped player and would just narrow down our sub alignment for no reason, so no need to share it. The trivia murder stuff suspicion seems completely baseless and just thrown in there...

based wrote: ↑Fri Apr 08, 2022 5:20 pm

treereaper while I repeatedly beg for an answer to our question

*like*

Can we not even like here.

We received your laundry and we gave it away. I think that person themselves should be able to claim it. I'll let them decide if it's in their best interest.

~Solic

Tsumugi wrote: ↑Fri Apr 08, 2022 5:17 pm
TreeReaper wrote: ↑Fri Apr 08, 2022 5:16 pm
Tsumugi wrote: ↑Fri Apr 08, 2022 5:13 pm
TreeReaper wrote: ↑Fri Apr 08, 2022 5:11 pm @Tsumugi how many words are in exactly your ability text? We have some information potentially.

~Solic
not sure what you mean by this question?
I mean what is the amount of words that is in your rolecard to describe your "abilities"?
57 i think?

Well then you should have hidden abilities too. I guess it's not much of a surprise, but we've already seen now that the layers until someone's "core" alignment can vary. Math/Dkkoba had 2 layers, whereas Kiiruma had 1. Our ability makes it likely that the layers someone has is static and not dynamic based on game events, but I guess we can't be a 100% sure of that.

Tsumugi wrote: ↑Fri Apr 08, 2022 5:16 pm
TreeReaper wrote: ↑Fri Apr 08, 2022 5:14 pm also I'll be on later, but this site is a change that it will take to get used to ~ Gorta
someone asked you to claim and then you dipp?

That's out of my control as I said, but we are good aligned ~ Gorta

TownMisleaders wrote: ↑Fri Apr 08, 2022 5:14 pm
TreeReaper wrote: ↑Fri Apr 08, 2022 5:11 pm @Tsumugi how many words are in exactly your ability text? We have some information potentially.

~Solic
y'all need to claim something at some point
you've gone this long claiming literally nothing

That's literally not true if you actually read our ISO.... OH GOD I MISS MY EMOJIS HERE AAAAHHHHh

In addition, we can claim good aligned however, but that doesn't mean much I guess. Specifying a sub alignment within that would just make us an easier target.

~Solic

Tsumugi wrote: ↑Fri Apr 08, 2022 5:13 pm
TreeReaper wrote: ↑Fri Apr 08, 2022 5:11 pm @Tsumugi how many words are in exactly your ability text? We have some information potentially.

~Solic
not sure what you mean by this question?

I mean what is the amount of words that is in your rolecard to describe your "abilities"?

also I'll be on later, but this site is a change that it will take to get used to ~ Gorta

This is going to be a pain if we have to ISO everyone on multiple sites ~ Gorta

@Tsumugi how many words are in exactly your ability text? We have some information potentially.

~Solic

Testing

Millium wrote: ↑Fri Apr 08, 2022 5:03 pm Someone ate my leg so my role wouldn't flip anyways, if it's even true, you would just see mafia "nameless"

How do you know that's what it does? FoolsGold claimed to have eaten our left arm, so I'm assuming they are the culprit for that.

It's the fact that various expletives are in a rule that prevent me from using them, but this forum change is quite ...a rule.

~Solic

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