The Syndicate

MacDougall wrote: ↑Fri Apr 15, 2022 8:31 pm

anne wrote: ↑Fri Apr 15, 2022 8:29 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Fri Apr 15, 2022 8:27 pm

anne wrote: ↑Fri Apr 15, 2022 8:25 pm I mean, I will admit that if LC is scum here I fully expect him to TR me and pocket me. I won't deny that. I just kinda think that even if he's scum I want to look elsewhere anyways?

articulate that very strange last sentence plz

It's simple. I like Brad. I like playing with Brad. Me no want to kill Brad.

Me know from experience if Brad scum and pocketing me, Brad still follow me read to his detriment.

Thus Brad, if scum, will not come between me and scumhunting anyone except Brad himself.

do you think wolf Brad would really help you kill his teammate no matter who it is?

Ya cause he has before

MacDougall wrote: ↑Fri Apr 15, 2022 8:27 pm

anne wrote: ↑Fri Apr 15, 2022 8:25 pm I mean, I will admit that if LC is scum here I fully expect him to TR me and pocket me. I won't deny that. I just kinda think that even if he's scum I want to look elsewhere anyways?

articulate that very strange last sentence plz

It's simple. I like Brad. I like playing with Brad. Me no want to kill Brad.

Me know from experience if Brad scum and pocketing me, Brad still follow me read to his detriment.

Thus Brad, if scum, will not come between me and scumhunting anyone except Brad himself.

Porscha wrote: ↑Fri Apr 15, 2022 8:25 pm that's why it matters to mac's read on LC. what do you think about it anne

Ik what you're saying Porscha and I agree with you to some extent. At the same time, I think Mac legitimately believes he's put me in some sort of gotcha lmao

I mean, I will admit that if LC is scum here I fully expect him to TR me and pocket me. I won't deny that. I just kinda think that even if he's scum I want to look elsewhere anyways?

MacDougall wrote: ↑Fri Apr 15, 2022 8:19 pm

anne wrote: ↑Fri Apr 15, 2022 8:17 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Fri Apr 15, 2022 8:12 pm

anne wrote: ↑Fri Apr 15, 2022 7:55 pm Anyways, I'll sit on this some more later. Gl Gl. Still think Wisdom is wolfiest.

rly? wolfiest? and she's townreading you? and you still think that?

Part of my reformation era is not taking people's reads on me too seriously and reading them independently. Especially lately scum like townread me because they know it's an easy way to get me pocketed. So, while her townreading me is great, I kind of don't think she wouldn't town read me here as scum? Like why would she wolf read me here as scum? Not saying her townreading me is wolfy, it's probably NAI just don't see why her townreading me matters.

it matters for my read on you not her.

but the bolded is interesting because I have you on record saying the opposite so I tend towards thinking you're full of shit right now.

I know what I said before, that scum scumread a lot. That's true too, but again I'm reforming my playstyle and one thing I know is true but don't like to admit is that a lot of scum townread me to get me pocketed too. For example, Illario in his last two wolf games has townread me. You as scum townread me in the hydra game. TH townread me in the Restless Communications game.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Fri Apr 15, 2022 8:12 pm

anne wrote: ↑Fri Apr 15, 2022 7:55 pm Anyways, I'll sit on this some more later. Gl Gl. Still think Wisdom is wolfiest.

rly? wolfiest? and she's townreading you? and you still think that?

Part of my reformation era is not taking people's reads on me too seriously and reading them independently. Especially lately scum like townread me because they know it's an easy way to get me pocketed. So, while her townreading me is great, I kind of don't think she wouldn't town read me here as scum? Like why would she wolf read me here as scum? Not saying her townreading me is wolfy, it's probably NAI just don't see why her townreading me matters.

Anyways, I'll sit on this some more later. Gl Gl. Still think Wisdom is wolfiest.

Like idgi, why you're being so aggressive to Nanook and Porscha now. I get you're under a lot of pressure, but I don't understand why you're reacting like this. It feels fake.

Brad ur being weird

And ngl I was tempted to vote you there too to see your reaction

But I was like noooo I love brad too much

No, I don't think he's that different from that game at all. That's why I said his vote on Guillo seemed sus because it reminded me of how he treated Illwei kind of. I just don't think him voting you there like that is all that scummy.

Brad, how often have you played with Nanook?

I've been under the impression that this is just how he plays regardless of alignment.

It's Nanook

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Fri Apr 15, 2022 6:58 pm

Lime Coke wrote: ↑Fri Apr 15, 2022 6:53 pm

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Fri Apr 15, 2022 6:49 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Fri Apr 15, 2022 6:39 pm

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Fri Apr 15, 2022 6:37 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Fri Apr 15, 2022 6:34 pm Sounding the @NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME signal. I want your input here.

Sup

I think LC is howling. What you think?

I thibk the only LC posts I've read are the worlde post and one where he's TRing Anne (shockingly)

So yeah sure

I've made other townreads too beyond Anne being town? I've listed them before and can quote it if you want me to do that.

Irrelevant to whether I've read them or not and tbh I don't really care

I think this is Nanook speak for "L + Ratio + You're Lime Coke"

MacDougall wrote: ↑Fri Apr 15, 2022 6:47 pm neither of you seem to be reading what I'm saying in a balanced and unbias fashion here tho so it's not making me feel any differently

Idk how you're getting that from my posts at all tbh

I am merely trying to understand what you're getting at.

Sorry if that makes you feel some type of way tho, it's not my intention.

Well, I will say one thing that pinged me about LC was how he immediately followed my Wisdom read but said like nothing else on Wisdom at all. I don't think him following me is unusual, just kinda unusual that he read me town instantly then followed me lol. But maybe I'm overthinking it cause of Mac stuff.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Fri Apr 15, 2022 6:41 pm

anne wrote: ↑Fri Apr 15, 2022 6:40 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Fri Apr 15, 2022 6:38 pm I have guillo and Michelle as town. Rondo as town.

Seanzie is a light town lean. Wilgy is lightly town.

Nanook in his Nanook tier.

112 slight sus. You're also in this tier.

Falcon and Lime Coke are both very sus.

How am I mafia with Lime Coke if he's pocketing me lmao

Where did I imply worlds here?

I wasn't sure if "you" meant me or what

112 read is fine. None of her posts were inspiring, but wouldn't call her a wolf just yet because that kinda stuff is hard to get a good read on. Falcon idk, I'm kinda bad at reading him. The rest of the stuff we agree on except LC and Rondo (who I haven't read yet).

MacDougall wrote: ↑Fri Apr 15, 2022 6:38 pm I have guillo and Michelle as town. Rondo as town.

Seanzie is a light town lean. Wilgy is lightly town.

Nanook in his Nanook tier.

112 slight sus. You're also in this tier.

Falcon and Lime Coke are both very sus.

How am I mafia with Lime Coke if he's pocketing me lmao

Eh, her recent posts are a bit better. The LC read is like okay. I don't think the Rondo read is good because I think it's very easy to fabricate, but it's not as horrid as her earlier posts.

I think my issue with her recent posts tho is that it seems like she's being cautious about the reads she's making imo.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Fri Apr 15, 2022 6:33 pm

anne wrote: ↑Fri Apr 15, 2022 6:32 pm

Lime Coke wrote: ↑Fri Apr 15, 2022 6:29 pm

anne wrote: ↑Fri Apr 15, 2022 6:25 pm

Lime Coke wrote: ↑Fri Apr 15, 2022 6:12 pm I can't tell if Mac is mafia trying to distract us and trying to lure us away from Wisdom or if he actually believes this.

lolwut

I mean I'm not sure how he's reading us this way, then going with the "I don't know how to read Wisdom" stuff.

tbf idt mac has stated a read on anyone but you.

Incorrect.

I meant on the Wisdom wagon. If you have then mb

Lime Coke wrote: ↑Fri Apr 15, 2022 6:29 pm

anne wrote: ↑Fri Apr 15, 2022 6:25 pm

Lime Coke wrote: ↑Fri Apr 15, 2022 6:12 pm I can't tell if Mac is mafia trying to distract us and trying to lure us away from Wisdom or if he actually believes this.

lolwut

I mean I'm not sure how he's reading us this way, then going with the "I don't know how to read Wisdom" stuff.

tbf idt mac has stated a read on anyone but you.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Fri Apr 15, 2022 6:28 pm

anne wrote: ↑Fri Apr 15, 2022 6:26 pm I mean, I guess it's possible. He did do that in the Hydra 10 game kinda, but there's so much time left in the day that even if he is mafia idt that would be his entire reasoning for defending Wisdom iyam.

I'm not defending Wisdom. I am refusing to read her. Facts Anne.

I am townreading her because I believe mafia are voting her. I'm not actively preventing anyone from reading her or trying to block activity there.

I mean I'm not even scumreading Wisdom off of any meta tells tho. Just actual play that I'd find scummy in any player. That's why it's weird to me that you're like "NOPE. NO. CAN'T READ WISDOM."

I mean, I guess it's possible. He did do that in the Hydra 10 game kinda, but there's so much time left in the day that even if he is mafia idt that would be his entire reasoning for defending Wisdom iyam.

Lime Coke wrote: ↑Fri Apr 15, 2022 6:12 pm I can't tell if Mac is mafia trying to distract us and trying to lure us away from Wisdom or if he actually believes this.

lolwut

Well, then let me read her for you.

Which I already have

Bruh, you can absolutely read her off of her play what is this

MacDougall wrote: ↑Fri Apr 15, 2022 5:26 pm It may only be obvious to me because I read him via iso. His content is certainly uncontroversial and polite so that wouldn't surprise me.

Look at Wisdom ISO tho

Unless you're mafia

Eh, I'll take a closer look at him later. Even if I'm wrong he'll be my double voter.

Why am I wrong on Lime Coke @MacDougall

Haven't played with him in a while so my read could be rusty there so thought he was fine.

I still think Wisdom is scummy

I should probably read wigly

Wisdom wrote: ↑Fri Apr 15, 2022 1:11 pm

anne wrote: ↑Fri Apr 15, 2022 12:48 pm @Wisdom

I guess my concern here then is if you ISO'd these people why are there such few examples of things you actually find scummy or townie about them? I'm looking at your ISO now and you just call Guillo town with no reasoning after expressing that you were wary of him after misreading him a few times and were deferring to other people on that, but it seems like that line of thought doesn't really continue elsewhere?

Also your vote on Rando seems like RVS. Like I would have never gathered that you ISO'd him, found him scum, and decided to keep the vote from the content of your posts. The Michelle townread I buy because I see you've interacted with her probably the most out of anyone so I won't harp on that point.

I'm quite bad at making myself heard early on if I'm not invested and in a mind space where I can formulate well. @ilario can attest to this.

Rondo's ISO was pure fluff, I'm pretty sure I said it was pure fluff (implying I had read the ISO), don't know what I should have done differently.

I don't share every thought I have or ISO I do, don't think it's relevant really ^^

Yeah, but I feel like you usually give more reasoning for your reads even if it's not a ton or it's off the cuff. I also thought your opening posts seemed scummy/nervous like scum trying to fit in but didn't want to talk about that much cause my read on openings aren't v good.

What made you go from "I need help reading Guillo" to "Guillo is just town"?

If I'm right and Guillo is town the most suspicious vote on his wagon is probably Nanook but idk if scum is necessarily on there, I'd have to ponder that more.

Scotty wrote: ↑Fri Apr 15, 2022 1:11 pm GTH:
@112 SCUM
@anne TOWN
@Dolby TOWN
@DrWilgy SCUM
@falcon45ca TOWN
@Guillotine TOWN
@ilario SCUM
@Lime Coke SCUM
@MacDougall AUSTRALIA
@Michelle TOWN
@NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME SCUM
@Porscha SCUM
@Rej SCUM
@RondoDimBuckle SCUM
@Scotty YO
@Seanzie SCUM
@srceenplay SCUM
@Wisdom SCUM


Holy shit this has to be the most scums I think I’ve ever given on a GTH. That’s not good. Im also forgetting certain people, like 112 or Rej because I haven’t done any isoing. Like I don’t exactly -scum- read my scums but I don’t have a good reason to town them. GTH probably isn’t helpful right now. Will dig deeper later.

Why ilario and lime coke scum?

I haven't read everyone who has posted so far but the reads list I posted earlier is still where I'm at

Seanzie wrote: ↑Fri Apr 15, 2022 12:57 pm Also Scotty, but I can only vote one person at a time.

Scotty is wolf for his recent comment on me. You can call this OMGUS if you want, but I know what it feels to be wolfprey and Scotty lookin' at me like I am a sirloin in that post.

This is kinda townie

Lime Coke wrote: ↑Fri Apr 15, 2022 12:53 pm

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RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Fri Apr 15, 2022 12:44 pm

Wisdom wrote: ↑Fri Apr 15, 2022 12:43 pm

anne wrote: ↑Fri Apr 15, 2022 11:55 am

Wisdom wrote: ↑Fri Apr 15, 2022 2:25 am Haven't been here in a while, can someone remind me how to iso people?

Says this then doesn't ISO anyone according to her own ISO. So... she just asked this question to seem busy/townie? Cause otherwise what was the point of asking this question.

Wisdom wrote: ↑Fri Apr 15, 2022 3:40 am

Lime Coke wrote: ↑Fri Apr 15, 2022 3:32 am

Wisdom wrote: ↑Fri Apr 15, 2022 3:25 am

Same! Reads so far?

Also goes out to @Michelle

So far I only have a townread on Michelle, everyone else is kinda meh.

Michelle is kind of more just tone/energy which I feel like I can read her correctly based off of that. The last Deck Mafia game she was mafia and I noticed her being a bit more subdued and caught her on it, but I ended up dying before I could actually get her voted off.
This game she seems to have way more energy and is carefree in what she's doing. Like she's having way more fun with this game.

Fair enough. I got tricked by her in our recent encounter so wouldn't put too much emphasis on tone tbh, think tone is based on daily mood for her

Level 1 wolf read but subtly discrediting someone's town read without offering anything in return is wolfy in a vacuum.

I ISO'd Rando, Michelle and Guill. Think they were the top posters or the ones active on the page I was on at the time, don't really remember. I voted Rando after ISOing him, and later on said that he hadn't anything of value in his ISO, didn't care about bringing it up or pushing him further before he had his wolfy reaction to the (whoever it was) opening.

After that he hasn't really done much but I kinda lost confidence when I realized how many people I've yet to see, don't know if he'd be one of the top posters with little to none content if his wolf mates kinda bailed on him.

Who is Rando?

@Guillotine

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@anne You wanna do the blue "spoiler" tags, the white one is bad.

Oops, my bad. Makes sense!

Also Guillo tunneling is NAI for him. He will tunnel if he has to as scum. I think he has been townie this game for other reasons, such as his reaction to moving off of Scotty and his frustration at people pushing him.

You

@Wisdom

I guess my concern here then is if you ISO'd these people why are there such few examples of things you actually find scummy or townie about them? I'm looking at your ISO now and you just call Guillo town with no reasoning after expressing that you were wary of him after misreading him a few times and were deferring to other people on that, but it seems like that line of thought doesn't really continue elsewhere?

Also your vote on Rando seems like RVS. Like I would have never gathered that you ISO'd him, found him scum, and decided to keep the vote from the content of your posts. The Michelle townread I buy because I see you've interacted with her probably the most out of anyone so I won't harp on that point.

lmao i love u brad

Lime Coke wrote: ↑Fri Apr 15, 2022 12:27 pm Speaking of Anne's reads being good.

[VOTE: Wisdom] aubergine

All hail the magic conch.

Love tag teaming with Brad

Missed ya bud

Lime Coke wrote: ↑Fri Apr 15, 2022 12:25 pm @anne

Town:
Michelle - Explained here

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Lime Coke wrote: ↑Fri Apr 15, 2022 3:32 am
So far I only have a townread on Michelle, everyone else is kinda meh.

Michelle is kind of more just tone/energy which I feel like I can read her correctly based off of that. The last Deck Mafia game she was mafia and I noticed her being a bit more subdued and caught her on it, but I ended up dying before I could actually get her voted off.
This game she seems to have way more energy and is carefree in what she's doing. Like she's having way more fun with this game.

Illario - Thought his "doc on Michelle" take was a type of snapread/snap decision he usually has as town

Rej - Bit of a lighter townread but it's probably because I'm entertained by their posts. They do have some interesting takes even if I disagree with the Illario one, the reasoning felt fine to me and not like it was a reach or anything.

I'm here the rest of the day so I'll gain more as today goes along.

Yeah, I agree with all of these. I think I need to see more from Ilario to have him as strong town, but I have him as light town rn cause his opening where he rattled off a bunch of townreads without explanation was p townie for him. Usually as scum he's more careful and tries to interact with people before townreading them because he's playing more pockety and proactive and his approach as town is more reactive to what's happening around him. But again, need to see more to feel confident on that.

I have Rej light town because he just kind of occupies that "in the background townie" space in my mind. His takes don't seem overly consensus but he's not pushing them super hard either.

And ya, I'd be p shocked if Michelle were wolf here personally.

how many players are there in the game, im too lazy to count

Town
Michelle
Guillo
Lime Coke

Light Town
Ilario
Rej

Scum
Wisdom

Still sorting: Scotty

RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Fri Apr 15, 2022 12:08 pm

anne wrote: ↑Fri Apr 15, 2022 11:41 am Ehhh I retract my scumread on Scotty kinda. Don't TR him but I was jumping the gun. His take on Guillo is reasonable.

hedgy wolf bait

[VOTE: Anne ] aubergine

If I was hedgy, I wouldn't have voted him in the first place

HI BRAD!!!!

You're town, right?

What are your reads?

[VOTE: Wisdom] aubergine

For now. Still reading.

Like she shows up, makes 25 posts and doesn't really offer any reads besides Guillo is town and then votes someone for a reason I can't discern. I'd like to think a townie would have more developed reasoning after 25 posts even if the reasoning isn't necessarily agreeable/good.

Wisdom wrote: ↑Fri Apr 15, 2022 2:25 am Haven't been here in a while, can someone remind me how to iso people?

Says this then doesn't ISO anyone according to her own ISO. So... she just asked this question to seem busy/townie? Cause otherwise what was the point of asking this question.

Wisdom wrote: ↑Fri Apr 15, 2022 3:40 am

Lime Coke wrote: ↑Fri Apr 15, 2022 3:32 am

Wisdom wrote: ↑Fri Apr 15, 2022 3:25 am

Lime Coke wrote: ↑Fri Apr 15, 2022 3:21 am

Wisdom wrote: ↑Fri Apr 15, 2022 3:16 am

Lime Coke wrote: ↑Fri Apr 15, 2022 2:52 am

Wisdom wrote: ↑Fri Apr 15, 2022 2:49 am Btw Lime Coke are you the same lime as Limestone?

No, it's BradLand, hi.

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Oh BlueKang! Hi, it's been a while!

Hi! It has I missed playing with you!

Same! Reads so far?

Also goes out to @Michelle

So far I only have a townread on Michelle, everyone else is kinda meh.

Michelle is kind of more just tone/energy which I feel like I can read her correctly based off of that. The last Deck Mafia game she was mafia and I noticed her being a bit more subdued and caught her on it, but I ended up dying before I could actually get her voted off.
This game she seems to have way more energy and is carefree in what she's doing. Like she's having way more fun with this game.

Fair enough. I got tricked by her in our recent encounter so wouldn't put too much emphasis on tone tbh, think tone is based on daily mood for her

Level 1 wolf read but subtly discrediting someone's town read without offering anything in return is wolfy in a vacuum.