The Syndicate

The Grumple wrote: ↑Thu Nov 05, 2020 1:24 pm

Hugh Jass wrote: ↑Thu Nov 05, 2020 9:11 am Burns isn't even trying to push her elimination or defend himself, he's passively ok with this and shading me in the process with "y'all letting Hugh decide bla bla". They prefer his death over her because then she's just going to run with the narrative of Hugh tried to eliminate me before him so he's his partner which is bullshit since I went for Burns first before Skinner insisted on her, and then the wagon consolidated. Switching is destabilizing and basically letting them control the narrative.

As I already told you earlier, Burns flip doesn't matter since there's always going to be a Hugh v Alison. She's saying I did something that I didn't so she's lying. Magically she's the only one that noticed it, also she followed me apparently even though that pinged her and there was some fuckery going. Just think for one fucking second about what she accused me of if it make any sense whatsoever. Her switch alongside Burns and Grampa, the two other people she says are Mafia, saved fucking Burns lol.

So yeah solve between her and me now 'cause I'm not doing this shit again

It's okay. You already said all that stuff. I was asking the others to fully consider all the alternatives because this is Lylo and it would be shitty to lose because of refusing to do legwork. You and Allison have both doubled down on some claims that can't be fully verified within the thread so if you don't mind I would like to be cautious. Because no matter what one of you is pulling some stupid gambit here and losing to a dumb unnecessary gambit is worse than losing normally.

Grampa Simpson wrote: ↑Thu Nov 05, 2020 2:09 pm

Hugh Jass wrote: ↑Thu Nov 05, 2020 1:37 pm
I mean feel free to talk to me, you haven't engaged me at all nor have you engaged anyone else. I've engaged the other person I have on that team since they tried but it didn't go anywhere since the timeline they're talking about doesn't fit. If they witnessed Alison switch, Krusty would have been leading so their switch and spiciness make no sense. They actually saved their alleged strongest target.

hi hugh

i think you're wrong but don't have enough of a grasp on the EOD layout to be able to definitively say how (beyond me not being a wolf and thus it is impossible for me to be part of the wolf trio)

one thing that keeps coming to mind is that if you're right, there would've been no reason for your supposed confirmed wolf trio to have outed themselves if only allison switching would've forced a krusty mischop

why would all three wolves out themselves to mischop otto if only one possible outing was needed for a krusty mischop

Allison Taylor wrote: ↑Thu Nov 05, 2020 2:52 pm If you think I'm trying to split the vote, then all of you vote Burns. He's literally the only one who is always scum here.

Allison Taylor wrote: ↑Thu Nov 05, 2020 2:54 pm All of you voting me is how you lose this game; it's the strictly inferior option. Hugh is desperate to have me exed and not Burns, he's outing his agenda right on the table. Either way Burns is scum so there's no benefit to not switching over. If you believe I am scum then all of you go over so there's no vote split.

Hugh Jass wrote: ↑Thu Nov 05, 2020 2:55 pm

Allison Taylor wrote: ↑Thu Nov 05, 2020 3:13 pm

Hugh Jass wrote: ↑Thu Nov 05, 2020 2:57 pm

Allison Taylor wrote: ↑Thu Nov 05, 2020 2:54 pm All of you voting me is how you lose this game; it's the strictly inferior option. Hugh is desperate to have me exed and not Burns, he's outing his agenda right on the table. Either way Burns is scum so there's no benefit to not switching over. If you believe I am scum then all of you go over so there's no vote split.

If we all believe you're scum, why change then? And no, you're objectively the better option

How am I objectively the better option? If you are lying, Burns is mafia. If I am lying, Burns is also mafia. Burns is mafia in all worlds and you are trying so hard to protect him when it makes no sense for you to do that as town.

Allison Taylor wrote: ↑Thu Nov 05, 2020 3:27 pm This guy goes to every extent to run from the fact that the correct exe is on Burns today lol

Grampa Simpson wrote: ↑Thu Nov 05, 2020 3:39 pm I can't see why I would switch if Krusty was in the lead, which is why I think you're wrong

Grampa Simpson wrote: ↑Thu Nov 05, 2020 3:39 pm and I still can't get over the idea that in your layout, there is zero reason for your proposed trio to collectively switch to Otto. There is just no gain

Grampa Simpson wrote: ↑Thu Nov 05, 2020 3:39 pm Allison and Krusty wolves fo sho

The third... I have no clue.

Mr. Burns wrote: ↑Thu Nov 05, 2020 4:25 pm

Hugh Jass wrote: ↑Thu Nov 05, 2020 1:37 pm

Spoiler: show

Mr. Burns wrote: ↑Thu Nov 05, 2020 1:16 pm

Hugh Jass wrote: ↑Thu Nov 05, 2020 9:11 am Burns isn't even trying to push her elimination or defend himself, he's passively ok with this and shading me in the process with "y'all letting Hugh decide bla bla". They prefer his death over her because then she's just going to run with the narrative of Hugh tried to eliminate me before him so he's his partner which is bullshit since I went for Burns first before Skinner insisted on her, and then the wagon consolidated. Switching is destabilizing and basically letting them control the narrative.

As I already told you earlier, Burns flip doesn't matter since there's always going to be a Hugh v Alison. She's saying I did something that I didn't so she's lying. Magically she's the only one that noticed it, also she followed me apparently even though that pinged her and there was some fuckery going. Just think for one fucking second about what she accused me of if it make any sense whatsoever. Her switch alongside Burns and Grampa, the two other people she says are Mafia, saved fucking Burns lol.

So yeah solve between her and me now 'cause I'm not doing this shit again

I'm not shading you. I am pissed about everyone letting you decide, because we're gonna lose. Me getting mischopped at LYLO (not necessarily the first LYLO, but eventually) has been the theme of this entire game. Right down to the saving me at EoD escapade to get me to F7. I'm passive because we've lost. You are so dialed in on "I have the team" that I can't talk to you. We're gonna spike Alison, finally, which is great...but she doesn't even care.

She is fucking with you, yes. Outright lying about this vote shifting; sure. She's just needling you to keep you focused. You have declared the whole team, and when her low lying packmates kill you tonight our "leader" Principle Skinner is going to follow your legacy straight down the line. You are creating the environment where Alison's victory is inevitable and the two of you are going to be watching it together from DVC and there doesn't seem to be a damn thing I can do about it.

Here's the thing...Alison and I figured out after a number of unfortunate confrontations that we just can't read each other so we can't trust each other...unless we get wolves. Kinda like Otto and Krusty, when we got through three days without a dead wolf I looked at Alison and said "you gotta go." And she should have been saying the same thing about me. She didn't because she knows I'm town. I didn't because I had no power...the bad chops and the way everyone dying at night sussed me meant there was nothing left of me but a mountain of suspicions and I had no power to do anything...even save myself really. If Allison hadn't pulled off the last minute shenanigans I'd have just died, and truthfully that would probably have been better because now I'm at LYLO and I see no way to avoid getting mischopped.

I'm finally gonna get a pelt...but of course Allison has managed to make herself so obvious now that everyone is on board for this. The only active players left are you and me, and you are going to die leaving as your final legacy "do not listen to Burns, just kill him." That's that, really.

I mean feel free to talk to me, you haven't engaged me at all nor have you engaged anyone else. I've engaged the other person I have on that team since they tried but it didn't go anywhere since the timeline they're talking about doesn't fit. If they witnessed Alison switch, Krusty would have been leading so their switch and spiciness make no sense. They actually saved their alleged strongest target.

You haven't showed this mistrust of her at all. You didn't though, when we went through 3 days without a dead wolf you were fence sitting between Krusty and Otto, and had no intention of solving her. Bart and I fought against that narrative and had her against the ropes with less than half an hour left. The vote was tied, if you had any intention of eliminating her you would have joined us there. Same with your self pres, you showed no instances of wanting to survive which makes me think you knew what was going down as it was coordinated already at the time. Alison entertained Bart and I's CFD plans, you invited with post 1887.

Your conclusions after the shenanigans of EoD4 aren't natural from a town PoV. You immediate switch onto Alison locking her as a wolf, and then mention that from that PoV, I'm her likely partner. That makes no sense. If we're together we got you tied up with Krusty. If he's our partner, he can self preserv. If he isn't, we don't care about the rand. Why aren't you trying to figure out why she switched at that moment outing herself? You were tied with Krusty, was it to save him? If so, wouldn't you solve him first? This is something you even said in post 1645 in regards to pre flip association, ironically enough about a scenario involving the both of them.

The EoD shenanigans look different from different points of view, and that's a fact. My view comes from "pretty resigned to dying here" and watching for a move from Grampa because I expected him to do something. Had no case on Allison, so really all I could do earlier was go along with "a wolf in Krusty/Otto and try to stay on the other side and see how it went. If we had gotten down to the end strokes there I would have learned Allison was wolfing a little cleaner and maybe been able to do something with the knowledge.

Unexpectedly, I got wagoned and had to look more for just not getting chopped...or at least making sure that my town flip didn't implicate the wrong people.

So, yeah, maybe from my POV things weren't as easy to follow as they were from yours.

When the day started I was all in on Allison and expecting her to go all in for mischopping me. My first read on this whole "lying about the movement" spat was that it was some sort of weird distancing thing. That moved you abruptly from my top town read into Allison co-conspirator tinfoil territory and I am genuinely sorry for that. I can't honestly say that I saw the same movements as either of you. I saw Grampa move and I moved...and at my next look Allison was there too. So I dunno.

What I do know is that every night kill in this game made zero sense...other than it removed the strong voices and made me look worse.

I can tell you that is classic Allison play, up to and including her saving me at F9 because I provide her with her surest course to the win. I see basically no way I avoid three chops in a row here, so we have been beaten and that's a fact...from my POV.

Grampa Simpson wrote: ↑Thu Nov 05, 2020 6:34 pm

Hugh Jass wrote: ↑Thu Nov 05, 2020 3:46 pm

Grampa Simpson wrote: ↑Thu Nov 05, 2020 3:39 pm I can't see why I would switch if Krusty was in the lead, which is why I think you're wrong

Feel free to tell me how.

Grampa Simpson wrote: ↑Thu Nov 05, 2020 3:39 pm and I still can't get over the idea that in your layout, there is zero reason for your proposed trio to collectively switch to Otto. There is just no gain

That isn't a justification against.

Grampa Simpson wrote: ↑Thu Nov 05, 2020 3:39 pm Allison and Krusty wolves fo sho

The third... I have no clue.

Why is Krusty fo sho?

There are only 3 others players excluding Skinner. Dive in.

that sounds like effort, and tbh I kind of checked out a couple days ago

the "how" is just that. in your proposed world, there is NO reason for Burns OR me to move, since according to your presented vote tally, an Allison switch would have forced a Krusty chop

so you're suggesting I'm a wolf because I apparently saved Krusty, yet Krusty is not a wolf in your world

so I, like, went out of my way to out myself, to get Otto chopped, and I dragged my wolf buddies with me to out themselves too? but why male models

The Grumple wrote: ↑Thu Nov 05, 2020 7:08 pm I'm like 40% sure we're already fucked and Hugh is just pulling some prestige bullshit on us

Grampa Simpson wrote: ↑Thu Nov 05, 2020 7:30 pm flash wagons at EOD are a legit site meta on CFC

though I don't agree with Burns's position that I can be counted on to show up at EOD for a potential flash wagon... since this is the first time I've participated in one as far as I can remember

i mean yeah I'm not going to pretend it's stellar GOAT play, but it wasn't outside the town consensus from the last time I was in-thread

and again, to my POV, I'm like 85% certain krusty was not in the lead when I switched, since if he was, there would have been no reason for me to switch, wolf or town, unless krusty were my partner

you could say hey, that's setting up for a krusty mischop the next day, okay fine, but then why did burns have to switch too??

i also don't really see how three wolves outing themselves at the same time would put them in a better position to win at mylo than just gambling on one wolf maybe being outed

your super solid lock-confirmed wolf world simply makes no sense lol

it makes more sense that a wolf baited a flash wagon, i took the bait, and burns self-pressed like anyone should, rather than all three wolves deciding "yes we should out ourselves" was the path forward when they could have simply gambled one member to get an even better result

Mr. Burns wrote: ↑Thu Nov 05, 2020 7:32 pm

Hugh Jass wrote: ↑Thu Nov 05, 2020 7:11 pm

Spoiler: show

Mr. Burns wrote: ↑Thu Nov 05, 2020 4:25 pm

Hugh Jass wrote: ↑Thu Nov 05, 2020 1:37 pm

Spoiler: show

Mr. Burns wrote: ↑Thu Nov 05, 2020 1:16 pm

Hugh Jass wrote: ↑Thu Nov 05, 2020 9:11 am Burns isn't even trying to push her elimination or defend himself, he's passively ok with this and shading me in the process with "y'all letting Hugh decide bla bla". They prefer his death over her because then she's just going to run with the narrative of Hugh tried to eliminate me before him so he's his partner which is bullshit since I went for Burns first before Skinner insisted on her, and then the wagon consolidated. Switching is destabilizing and basically letting them control the narrative.

As I already told you earlier, Burns flip doesn't matter since there's always going to be a Hugh v Alison. She's saying I did something that I didn't so she's lying. Magically she's the only one that noticed it, also she followed me apparently even though that pinged her and there was some fuckery going. Just think for one fucking second about what she accused me of if it make any sense whatsoever. Her switch alongside Burns and Grampa, the two other people she says are Mafia, saved fucking Burns lol.

So yeah solve between her and me now 'cause I'm not doing this shit again

I'm not shading you. I am pissed about everyone letting you decide, because we're gonna lose. Me getting mischopped at LYLO (not necessarily the first LYLO, but eventually) has been the theme of this entire game. Right down to the saving me at EoD escapade to get me to F7. I'm passive because we've lost. You are so dialed in on "I have the team" that I can't talk to you. We're gonna spike Alison, finally, which is great...but she doesn't even care.

She is fucking with you, yes. Outright lying about this vote shifting; sure. She's just needling you to keep you focused. You have declared the whole team, and when her low lying packmates kill you tonight our "leader" Principle Skinner is going to follow your legacy straight down the line. You are creating the environment where Alison's victory is inevitable and the two of you are going to be watching it together from DVC and there doesn't seem to be a damn thing I can do about it.

Here's the thing...Alison and I figured out after a number of unfortunate confrontations that we just can't read each other so we can't trust each other...unless we get wolves. Kinda like Otto and Krusty, when we got through three days without a dead wolf I looked at Alison and said "you gotta go." And she should have been saying the same thing about me. She didn't because she knows I'm town. I didn't because I had no power...the bad chops and the way everyone dying at night sussed me meant there was nothing left of me but a mountain of suspicions and I had no power to do anything...even save myself really. If Allison hadn't pulled off the last minute shenanigans I'd have just died, and truthfully that would probably have been better because now I'm at LYLO and I see no way to avoid getting mischopped.

I'm finally gonna get a pelt...but of course Allison has managed to make herself so obvious now that everyone is on board for this. The only active players left are you and me, and you are going to die leaving as your final legacy "do not listen to Burns, just kill him." That's that, really.

I mean feel free to talk to me, you haven't engaged me at all nor have you engaged anyone else. I've engaged the other person I have on that team since they tried but it didn't go anywhere since the timeline they're talking about doesn't fit. If they witnessed Alison switch, Krusty would have been leading so their switch and spiciness make no sense. They actually saved their alleged strongest target.

You haven't showed this mistrust of her at all. You didn't though, when we went through 3 days without a dead wolf you were fence sitting between Krusty and Otto, and had no intention of solving her. Bart and I fought against that narrative and had her against the ropes with less than half an hour left. The vote was tied, if you had any intention of eliminating her you would have joined us there. Same with your self pres, you showed no instances of wanting to survive which makes me think you knew what was going down as it was coordinated already at the time. Alison entertained Bart and I's CFD plans, you invited with post 1887.

Your conclusions after the shenanigans of EoD4 aren't natural from a town PoV. You immediate switch onto Alison locking her as a wolf, and then mention that from that PoV, I'm her likely partner. That makes no sense. If we're together we got you tied up with Krusty. If he's our partner, he can self preserv. If he isn't, we don't care about the rand. Why aren't you trying to figure out why she switched at that moment outing herself? You were tied with Krusty, was it to save him? If so, wouldn't you solve him first? This is something you even said in post 1645 in regards to pre flip association, ironically enough about a scenario involving the both of them.

The EoD shenanigans look different from different points of view, and that's a fact. My view comes from "pretty resigned to dying here" and watching for a move from Grampa because I expected him to do something. Had no case on Allison, so really all I could do earlier was go along with "a wolf in Krusty/Otto and try to stay on the other side and see how it went. If we had gotten down to the end strokes there I would have learned Allison was wolfing a little cleaner and maybe been able to do something with the knowledge.

Unexpectedly, I got wagoned and had to look more for just not getting chopped...or at least making sure that my town flip didn't implicate the wrong people.

So, yeah, maybe from my POV things weren't as easy to follow as they were from yours.

When the day started I was all in on Allison and expecting her to go all in for mischopping me. My first read on this whole "lying about the movement" spat was that it was some sort of weird distancing thing. That moved you abruptly from my top town read into Allison co-conspirator tinfoil territory and I am genuinely sorry for that. I can't honestly say that I saw the same movements as either of you. I saw Grampa move and I moved...and at my next look Allison was there too. So I dunno.

What I do know is that every night kill in this game made zero sense...other than it removed the strong voices and made me look worse.

I can tell you that is classic Allison play, up to and including her saving me at F9 because I provide her with her surest course to the win. I see basically no way I avoid three chops in a row here, so we have been beaten and that's a fact...from my POV.

Instead of waiting for a glimmer of hope from someone that hasn't been present at all, and has missed previous EoD, why didn't you engage the players in the thread to try to not get chopped? And I'm sorry but I just can't buy the whole angle of expecting Grampa to be present a minute before EoD just because he's from the forum he's from lol.

That's a pretty quick move, especially after the EoD we just had. What was your first read on the late switching itself? Wait Grampa moved before you, and Alison after you? That's not what he's saying. What do you make of that?

GGWP I guess

I make of that basically the same thing you make of Allison. Gramps is her partner. I already accepted that. I might even be able to push that through and get to F3 before I get mischopped, and boy oh boy am I excited at that prospect.

As to engaging the people in the thread...up to the point the EoD was final I really didn't know who the wolves were. Watching votes move at EoD is probably my most relied on way to identify wolves, so I was more watching. And watching is...challenging here. That's not a complaint or a slight to the site, it just is part of the environment.

The Grumple wrote: ↑Thu Nov 05, 2020 9:15 pm deep breaths

The Grumple wrote: ↑Thu Nov 05, 2020 9:27 pm why am I "always town here"

The Grumple wrote: ↑Fri Nov 06, 2020 11:46 pm i'm confused as to why it isn't lylo again rn

The Grumple wrote: ↑Fri Nov 06, 2020 11:42 pm burns seems obvs bad.

which one is it between krusty and grampa? i get them confused because they are old men

Krusty the Clown wrote: ↑Mon Nov 02, 2020 9:17 pm So when I flip town, dont buy any bullshit shuck and jive talk that's certainly gonna come out.

The Grumple wrote: ↑Fri Nov 06, 2020 11:53 pm it's gramps and burns right? krusty is chill?

Krusty Clown are you a wolf? you gotta tell me if you are it's the law

Krusty the Clown wrote: ↑Sat Nov 07, 2020 12:46 am Alison & Gramps flipped votes in the dying seconds to lynch Otto. Gramps had me as a scum read all game, and TR Otto all game. It makes no sense whatsoever that he switched to Otto last second.



It's Gramps, then Burns.

Mr. Burns wrote: ↑Sat Nov 07, 2020 12:49 am Man it is hard to get up for this.

Gramps is bad. But killing him just drags on the game into an F3 where whoever id left alive joins the wolf in killing me no matter who they are...and I don't even think I'll know who the wolf is then. Game has been...not my best, to say the least.

At least the wolves finally killed Skinner, but that makes me wonder why? I honestly just can't even tinfoil Hugh...but that leaves the wolves laughing at his reads winning the game for them. I don't have the energy to fight you Hugh.

[VOTE: Grampa] aubergine

Mr. Burns wrote: ↑Sat Nov 07, 2020 12:59 am

The Grumple wrote: ↑Sat Nov 07, 2020 12:52 am @Mr. Burns who is gramps partner? is it me, krusty, or jass

I dunno. If Jass somehow makes it to F3 I'd have to think it could be him I guess. Kinda surprised to see him alive now. He's the only one left with any energy and the wolves should have killed him even though Skinner was a lock town. If they skip him again they'd have to be wifom crazy I think.

So we chop Grampa and assuming we're right about him...which yesterday's lie-a-pallooza says we are...then Hugh dies and it's you, me, and Krusty at F3 and both of you wanna kill me.

Hey Hugh, are you the Doc, or are these two gonna be doc counterclaiming on me at F3 to add to my troubles?

Mr. Burns wrote: ↑Sat Nov 07, 2020 1:00 am

Hugh Jass wrote: ↑Sat Nov 07, 2020 12:53 am

Mr. Burns wrote: ↑Sat Nov 07, 2020 12:49 am Man it is hard to get up for this.

Gramps is bad. But killing him just drags on the game into an F3 where whoever id left alive joins the wolf in killing me no matter who they are...and I don't even think I'll know who the wolf is then. Game has been...not my best, to say the least.

At least the wolves finally killed Skinner, but that makes me wonder why? I honestly just can't even tinfoil Hugh...but that leaves the wolves laughing at his reads winning the game for them. I don't have the energy to fight you Hugh.

[VOTE: Grampa] aubergine

GTH who is the third?

GTH Krusty, but if it's you me and Krusty at F3 no promises I don't change my mind in a fit of paranoia.

Grampa Simpson wrote: ↑Sat Nov 07, 2020 1:00 am I didn't lie tho

Grampa Simpson wrote: ↑Sat Nov 07, 2020 1:06 am there is nothing to talk about, none of us has receipts and everyone involved has a different idea of the sequence of events

just because you and krusty went "yeah but I choose to believe anyways" doesn't mean you're right and I'm a big liar

Grampa Simpson wrote: ↑Sat Nov 07, 2020 1:08 am

Mr. Burns wrote: ↑Sat Nov 07, 2020 1:06 am

Grampa Simpson wrote: ↑Sat Nov 07, 2020 1:00 am I didn't lie tho

Your order of vote changes in the great EoD fracas doesn't match what I saw Gramps. Plus I already had you as a partner candidate for Allison anyway...not that there's anyone who isn't at least kind of a candidate.

and what you saw doesn't match what Hugh saw

so we all saw different things somehow

although krusty seems content to just adopt Hugh's recollection

Krusty the Clown wrote: ↑Sat Nov 07, 2020 1:13 am

Hugh Jass wrote: ↑Sat Nov 07, 2020 12:51 am

Krusty the Clown wrote: ↑Sat Nov 07, 2020 12:46 am Alison & Gramps flipped votes in the dying seconds to lynch Otto. Gramps had me as a scum read all game, and TR Otto all game. It makes no sense whatsoever that he switched to Otto last second.



It's Gramps, then Burns.

That explains why Gramps is a wolf like I said last phase and I agree. But it doesn't justify the order. Why do you care about it now?

I guess I don't ultimately. I think Gramps first cuz his vote switch is inherently more scummy than Burns.

You'll recall I said Alison first last RD cuz I felt she was a stronger town presence and had more ability to sew doubt in the thread.


All 3 are wolves. So I dont really care.