Spider-verse Mafia [DAY 6]

[Made]

Wait. So what happened with Guilo? Why was G-man not seemer?

[nutella]

Nutella ISO's analysis PART #1

Spoiler: show

We got mac and michelle and made plus KZA and Kyle are also mega town game is easy

Declares Mac and Michelle as town.

Just throwing this out there, I found Guillo super stilted in a previous game and they were town.

Ok. Mac also said he might be spewed town for being ganged up on so early. I am considering this

Guillo, your opinion on grogu please?

First indication that Mac and Nutella are w/w

reeee someone tell me who is mafia

112 and gman

Targets G-man for the first time while distancing from the lost wolf.

Define every game

Every fucking game we play! If you think im an easy target to mischop refer to stormtoss, you messing with the wrong townie.

We’ve played like two games together

Keep your socks on

Whatever, i dont give a shit. Every time we play you wanna push for my yeet for no goddamn reason. Either you provide reasons and we thunderdome the crap out of each other or you leave me the hell alone and pick another tunnel. :madmad:

oh there it is

Does this make him town

Here is a clear gaslight/positive reality support scum tactic on full displayed by Mac and Nutella.

For your reference. Gaslighting is a manipulation technique used to deny a person’s reality in order to make them doubt their own mind, intuition, and perception of events. The term comes from a play/movie where a husband dismisses as merely imagined his wife’s notice of the gas lights being dimmed, while he indeed inadvertently dimmed the lights by using gas lights elsewhere to search for jewels of a woman he has murdered.

Gaslighting is often contrasted to the positive support of player ‘realities’, but that support can also be feigned and twisted to mafia advantage. In fact the two are often commingled so that it becomes confusing to separate harm from an appearance of support – a passive-aggressive chipping away of player confidences, tricking them into being unsure of anything.

actually [VOTE: guillotina] aubergine

[VOTE: Macdougall] aubergine

Can Mac and Nanook be a wolf team?

the thoughts you have appeared to have are completely inconceivable to me. like outlandish. in another world. sometimes that's a sign someone is just scum and doubling down on fabricated reads, sometimes townies really just have extremely opposite takes and based on mac's account of you as a player you might be the latter but im not sure how to determine that

Defends Mac, pockets Nanook

actually [VOTE: guillotina] aubergine

[VOTE: Macdougall] aubergine

Can Mac and Nanook be a wolf team?

the thoughts you have appeared to have are completely inconceivable to me. like outlandish. in another world. sometimes that's a sign someone is just scum and doubling down on fabricated reads, sometimes townies really just have extremely opposite takes and based on mac's account of you as a player you might be the latter but im not sure how to determine that

Or they are not extreme at all and I hit it on the spot and im getting scummy push back.

like dya said it appears to only be omgus

how do you figure mac and nook seem like a wolf team

if thats a real thought you truly actually have, explain

Continues to discredit my reads by implying that my gut on the slots were not genuine, again, attempting to defend Mac.

woah, we're really doing the whole guillotine thing?

sure

what, you 112's buddy, pleasantly surprised this angle took off?

Here it shows that clearly that Nutella knew 112 was the lost wolf. Makes an scummy accusation on Made whom disagreed on the build up of my wagon.

[VOTE: enrique] aubergine

If you reply with a song that moves me I will unvote you

walrus mafia, truly the final evolution of online gaming

(OOC: I've designed a Walrus Mafia and it's gonna be a lot of fun, stay tuned)

@ everyone not voting

put a vote on someone please. Preferably within Michelle/falcon/g man/nutella

G is the only good choice of these the rest are obvtown lol

Defends a fipped wolf. Continues to push on G-man.

can we just flip 112s whole wagon to prove me right

don't like this post.

I don't like your posts

look at how scummy this is! and they're on 112

wanting to flip a bunch of people to prove your fallacy right doesn't ping town to me.

yeah

and like. we are not just nuking a wagon that's dumb, game will develop beyond that. and michelle is just town so

Nutella is double spewed wolf by interactions with Bo and Michelle here.

look at these shining beacons of townyness like LordQuas move their vote around frequently, and move without too much discretion, while others choose to hold firm in their 112 vote, what could be the difference here

Bruh half the 112 voters haven't been in thread since you came and shat on them lol

boknows and falcon both were, both the people most scummy on 112

Ok

I feel like falcon is towny and bo is p null and simply having their vote on 112 isn't enough for me to sr them

Defense on BO.

@nutella I will say that im concerned 112 didnt vote boknows after expressing that view

but I also noticed several people talking about bo being wolfy and not voting them

it's weird that 112 can drive up some sort of wagon but bo can't

yeah i get what you mean, there's arguments for both sides


112's vote is on michelle wtf

Doesn't she know that the lost wolf does not know who the other wolves are?

[VOTE: G-Man] aubergine

His posts are very carefully worded, he's hedged between Mac/Guillo, and he's been adding random remarks to his posts to give them meat.

this is a classic scum vote post too

over explaining reasons for voting someone who's just like classically scummy/has been talked about already


meanwhile you didnt give any reason for your michelle vote earlier

Keeps pressure on G-man to defend Michelle.

[VOTE: gman] aubergine

Targets G-man once again

@MacDougall you stopped catch up posting right before the good stuff. are you aware of the 112 and quas claims and surrounding discussion, if not pls make yourself aware of it

"Come on buddy, step up to the game".

G does kinda feel like a lame lhf target but meh, would be nice to nail an active wolf but it's also fine to sort out lhf early

Admits to targeting a LHF but she'd be ok to yeet him anyway.

@Long Con your OP says there is no hammer and also that there is a hammer at 2/3

Please clarify

That is a mistake caused by rule plagiarism. There is no hammer unless somehow someone gets a hold of a magical hammer but now I've said too much.

I am not worthy

Scum WIFOMing here.

the rest are:

chargonnay
DaisyCloud
Enrique
Epignosis
G-man
Kylemii
Macdougall (he prob is town but I haven't read much from him at all)
Marmot
Master radishes
rewaS
Seanzie
TSP

Out of these I'm p comfortable calling mac, master radishes, epignosis, and kylemii town for now. Rest feels like a good starting poe (I'd put guillo and boknows back in it prob, and maybe dya)

Town reads mac. Soft distancing from BO.

i am not responding to all of this but first of all what does mac have to do with anything. he claimed a town role, he wasnt souped but maybe they missed it

[Guillotine]

Nutella ISO Analysis Part #2

Spoiler: show

Can I get peoples read on KZA?

Town lean

Town reads KZA.

the rest are:

chargonnay
DaisyCloud
Enrique
Epignosis
G-man
Kylemii
Macdougall (he prob is town but I haven't read much from him at all)
Marmot
Master radishes
rewaS
Seanzie
TSP

Out of these I'm p comfortable calling mac, master radishes, epignosis, and kylemii town for now. Rest feels like a good starting poe (I'd put guillo and boknows back in it prob, and maybe dya)

you really think we've seen enough mac to call him town here?

Not since he hasn't commented on the 112/quas stuff, but before that all happened he was fine

Defends her partner

We're voting out BoKnows

I know you're mafia.

How do you know? Is he a partner?

derp clear imo

Or guillo kza w/w lol

Eh I can see it tho

Interesting comment soon after she townread KZA to Defend Bo. Yah she is trying hard not to lose her factional double kill.

switch kyle and nutella. otherwise, it's definitely useable for now.

you think Nutella is scummy? Why is Kyle towny?

kylereads helpful, he's normally not helpful till day 3 when he's bad. Also sus of nanook seem genuine, also he's nice to me

oh, and read the 112 x Nutella quote i just posted

lmao you reminded me that I legit caught lost wolf that's p funny

why do you think I'd post that if I were maf

id yourself to lost wolf

If I was mafia I wouldn't have to say anything for her to guess it js

Maybe you just did there. Made looks good here.

when i try to figure out what my read on guillo is my brain turns into bees

It's tough to wolf read a guy who is Obvious Town.

[VOTE: chardonnay] aubergine

this and reywas should be main wagons

Chard and rey look good here.

mac stop ignoring the good reads with reasoning from the people who are reading the game and good at it

NGL, this is either good scum theater or Mac is being gaslighted by Nutella.

mac.

listen to me.

and/or look at reywas's iso.

he posts fluff a couple times early game, some shit about tarot cards that never got followed up on

his one (1) read in the game is a vague scumread on 112, the lost wolf that the mafia knew the identity of before she outed

he otherwise completely disappeared

he's probably mafia

stop being dense

Mac continues to look good, hmm.

mac.

listen to me.

and/or look at reywas's iso.

he posts fluff a couple times early game, some shit about tarot cards that never got followed up on

his one (1) read in the game is a vague scumread on 112, the lost wolf that the mafia knew the identity of before she outed

he otherwise completely disappeared

he's probably mafia

stop being dense

nutella i have scarcely been able to pay attention and i was just getting my bearings in a catch up and you immediately dived on me and then called me scum so maybe take a chill pill

you kept skipping important bits and jumping to bad conclusions, calling the rey votes lame without acknowledging the reasoning that was posted with them

slow down buddy

Hmmmmm

The Reywas post was scummy. But it was one post and then players that are supposed to be better and more discerning than me dived on it so I think it's more likely reywas town and someone there is mafia.

Agrees with the post being scummy
Downplays the post's scumminess
Compliments the players who caught the post
Claims there's mafia in that group

just because you make points colourful doesn't mean the points are good nerd

The Reywas post was scummy. But it was one post and then players that are supposed to be better and more discerning than me dived on it so I think it's more likely reywas town and someone there is mafia.

Agrees with the post being scummy
Downplays the post's scumminess
Compliments the players who caught the post
Claims there's mafia in that group

THE RUSSTIFINKO METHOD

the duality of man


mac and i clashing this much increases his mafia equity significantly

>>disclaimer based on previous experiences he might just actually slow down and read the thread and end up agreeing with me and saying i was right all along

but if he doesn't

If he doesn't what? You will bus him or you will NK him?

first of all

his whole iso is pretty shit

second of all

i dont understand, if people you think are "discerning" jumped on it why are they wrong

?? did i misread

im supposed to be the person who makes snap reads on 5 word posts from players they have no meta on

so....you're mad we caught him first??


it really feels like you're evasive around this topic

evasive isn't the word i would use

what i am is more dismissive

so do you actually think rey is town

nah i have a 3p read on him

[VOTE: Reywas] aubergine

this is more like it lmfao

No fucking way! Mac is not the kind of player that let's someone else influence his reads just like that. Wolf read Mac again here, so much for second thoughts.

Guillo just spewed Reywas and Falcon town discuss

Does this make Guillo scum?

hes basing it on guillo being scum as a premise lol

Nutella and Mac team up again. One of them flipping wolf makes me, Marmot, Reywas and Falcon look good.

Guillo just spewed Reywas and Falcon town discuss

Does this make Guillo scum?

marmot is mafia

this game is easy sometimes

i mean maybe but i've been leaning toward disagreeing with you that guillo is mafia

idk i'm less sold on him town than esooa seems to be, but i dont really feel it

This not genuine. She knows I'm town.

oh and also he was a cultist in one game and recruited me on n1 after i tunneled him day 1

cuz he was obviously not town, like he is here

Aaaaah I see what you doing? You wanna tunnel me now cause I tunnel you and made you cry at stormtossed. Huh?

I'm town here and in that game I avoided you like a plague until I could convert you and that should be proof that I'm not scum cause I ain't avoiding you here.

this is funny and guillo is prob just town

I see what you did there. So you tunnel me for a while and then you finally townread me so I'd feel so relieved that I'd just townread you back never to try to push you again. Nutella, that works on weak town players not on Power Townies like me.

@Kylemii is probably actually mafia.

sheepable

do you have reasons

I have found him scummy almost every time he's posted and if Chardonnay is town it makes Kyle near lock mafia fmpov

hm

i can see the argument for the second bit but i disagree with the first part, he feels v towny to me in general

This interaction spews Kyle town by Nutella/Mac as w/w

[VOTE: Michelle] aubergine

no bad stop

Again. A defense on Michelle

Hmm yeah at MR's suggestion Michelle's ISO is fluffy and just bad

michelle is town i am p sure

And again

i mean players i dont really townread are

-bo
-chardonnay
-epi
-enri
-marmot?
-tsp

I think that by intereactions Marmot and Chard are town. Bo flipped wolf and TSP flipped town.

[VOTE: tonystarkprime] aubergine

Bad vote on the low poster.

[Guillotine]

I wrote this last night. I still got two more pages to analyse.

[nutella]

Here is a clear gaslight/positive reality support scum tactic on full displayed by Mac and Nutella.

like actually what the fuck is this.

this is the worst wall case ive ever seen youre probably just a wolf creating a bad narrative

what's all this mac stuff about lmfao

[KZA]

Can we stop with the NO YOURE BAD AT MAFIA please

[Guillotine]

Here is a clear gaslight/positive reality support scum tactic on full displayed by Mac and Nutella.

like actually what the fuck is this.

this is the worst wall case ive ever seen youre probably just a wolf creating a bad narrative

what's all this mac stuff about lmfao

I'm confident that you two are scum.

[nutella]

legitimately are you tmiing mac mafia what is going on

[nutella]

mac claimed the town role that gave gman the scion

[Made]

Why is G-man not seamer???? He was right?

[nutella]

the bo stuff is just garbage, sure i had a bad read on him at first but i got there, im done hearing that line of accusation

[nutella]

Here is a clear gaslight/positive reality support scum tactic on full displayed by Mac and Nutella.

like actually what the fuck is this.

this is the worst wall case ive ever seen youre probably just a wolf creating a bad narrative

what's all this mac stuff about lmfao

I'm confident that you two are scum.

you are wrong

[Guillotine]

Can we stop with the NO YOURE BAD AT MAFIA please

Agreed. Comments like that pisses me off, goes in the realms of personal but i've done it to others in the heat of the moment so, I'll be lenient.

[nutella]

vote jack or epi


if you're town you'll be embarrassed when you realize you wasted your time overnight casing an obvious townie


if you're mafia you'll be embarrassed when nobody follows you on it bc it's weak confbiasing nonsense

[nutella]

i'm actually furious lol i've been the strongest townie voice in this thread all game

[KZA]

Why is G-man not seamer???? He was right?

Can you confirm or deny that you're Cosmic Spider? Simple yes or no

[nutella]

guillo. what do you say to the point that if i was mafia falcon and marmot would have been dead n2 because they were the most obviously locked in claims in my view.

what do you say to the point that i didn't tmi michelle mafia even when i scumread her so strongly most of the game (yes after a bad early townread i admit) and briefly considered from her ate that it would be mech optimal not to yeet her, and yes i was wrong bc i didn't have tmi on her

what do you say to the point that i genuinely thought gman would flip scum, then when i saw the flip assumed it was the seemer bc him being doc made no sense from his d2 play, and apparently was wrong again when doom revealed her info

you have not addressed any of these points. you ignore and evade and avoid every time i get you to acknowledge anything. i am not mafia

[Made]

Why is G-man not seamer???? He was right?

Can you confirm or deny that you're Cosmic Spider? Simple yes or no

Mafia (should) be aware that I am not cosmic spider.

[nutella]

why does like half of your case rely on mac being mafia after he claimed a town role

like you are just skipping over all the details that actually matter it's kind of amazing

[KZA]

okay I'm thoroughly confused as to why G-Man didn't vote for Michelle

it's probably just Epi lol

[VOTE: Epignosis] aubergine

[Made]

Gman wasn’t fucking cosmic spider, wtf??

[Guillotine]

vote jack or epi


if you're town you'll be embarrassed when you realize you wasted your time overnight casing an obvious townie


if you're mafia you'll be embarrassed when nobody follows you on it bc it's weak confbiasing nonsense

Nutella, you don't know me, comments like "you'll be embarrased" may work on people with weak character, but I'm a guy with strong convictions.

In my analysis I didn't even get to Michelle/ Kylemii but I'll get to that. I promise.

Why is Epi scum? Show me like I'm a five year old.

[nutella]

okay I'm thoroughly confused as to why G-Man didn't vote for Michelle

it's probably just Epi lol

[VOTE: Epignosis] aubergine

i know right i'm actually salty at him smh

[Made]

I refused to go into it, but I’d bet money (maybe like 10 bucks but I don’t like betting) that gman wasn’t cosmic spider

[Guillotine]

Gman wasn’t fucking cosmic spider, wtf??

Gman flipped Cosmic Spider! Go take a look!

[KZA]

I refused to go into it, but I’d bet money (maybe like 10 bucks but I don’t like betting) that gman wasn’t cosmic spider

What do you think? Did Omega's item get deceived somehow?

[Jackofhearts2005]

Day 4

The Inheritors feasted well that night. Spider roast, Spider dumplings, and lots of delicious Spider Soup! The Spiders were deflated and hiding away, scared and unsure of what to do next.

reywaS has been eliminated! He was Cyborg Spider-Man.

Falcon has been eliminated! He was Scarlet Spider.

Marmot has been eliminated! He was Silk.

Kylemii has been eliminated! He was Spider-UK.

Daughter of Omega has been eliminated! She was THE Spider Man.

Day 4 has begun. I'll unlock in just a moment.

Daaaaang

[Made]

I refused to go into it, but I’d bet money (maybe like 10 bucks but I don’t like betting) that gman wasn’t cosmic spider

What do you think? Did Omega's item get deceived somehow?

It had to of, because gman wasn’t cosmic spider

[Jackofhearts2005]

sigh. rip to souped ppl.


sorry i assumed wrong gman but also what the actual fuck was up with him not voting michelle jesus christ that actually tilts me.


anyway.


[VOTE: epignosis] aubergine

pretty sure this is a mafia epi who found and successfully pushed lhf potentially to save jack who i would equally as happily vote. get them both.


guillo, buzz off.

[MacDougall]

vote jack or epi


if you're town you'll be embarrassed when you realize you wasted your time overnight casing an obvious townie


if you're mafia you'll be embarrassed when nobody follows you on it bc it's weak confbiasing nonsense

Nutella, you don't know me, comments like "you'll be embarrased" may work on people with weak character, but I'm a guy with strong convictions.

In my analysis I didn't even get to Michelle/ Kylemii but I'll get to that. I promise.

Why is Epi scum? Show me like I'm a five year old.

dear god

[Made]

[VOTE: Guillotine] aubergine

[nutella]

vote jack or epi


if you're town you'll be embarrassed when you realize you wasted your time overnight casing an obvious townie


if you're mafia you'll be embarrassed when nobody follows you on it bc it's weak confbiasing nonsense

Nutella, you don't know me, comments like "you'll be embarrased" may work on people with weak character, but I'm a guy with strong convictions.

In my analysis I didn't even get to Michelle/ Kylemii but I'll get to that. I promise.

Why is Epi scum? Show me like I'm a five year old.

would you mind just reading epi's iso and see if you can come up with any reason he's town? and same for jack? bc i don't think there's anything redeeming in there

main reason is I came in on d3 hard suspecting jack for michelle interactions (i have explained that one enough times pls dont ask again it's very strong meta+he came in with tmi on her and tried to get cred+it's exactly how he'd play that day as wolf and not how he would as town + he didnt even respond to my suspicion d3 claiming to be unchoppable or anything, it's not like his town self at all)

and epi, who has self-admittedly not even read most of the thread, came sauntering in firmly commanding everyone to vote for gman based on like two posts, played dumb when i told him i was more confident about jack and then said he didn't see it. having played with epi for years let me tell you that it is exactly epi's scum meta to go in and bury a townie like that when his team is in danger. he's not a busser unless it's absolutely necessary, and he knows that if he acts confident on a case he can sway people and i think he also took advantage of his limited perspective to shove a confident case onto gman and sway everyone, myself included, onto that train and soon enough you put the hammer down and lo and behold it was a townie. it was exactly what epi wanted, we played right into his hands

[MacDougall]

i cant give this my brain atm

[Jackofhearts2005]

i will claim if need be but i shouldnt have to because this is just guillo being bad at mafia and nobody else agrees with him i dont think. or maybe he is actually mafia who took advantage of the chance to hammer a townie lmao.

i have sort of softly hinted at my role a couple of times. very softly. mafia dont look.

Jfc chill.

[Epignosis]

sigh. rip to souped ppl.


sorry i assumed wrong gman but also what the actual fuck was up with him not voting michelle jesus christ that actually tilts me.


anyway.


[VOTE: epignosis] aubergine

pretty sure this is a mafia epi who found and successfully pushed lhf potentially to save jack who i would equally as happily vote. get them both.


guillo, buzz off.

You know damn well that isn't true.

[nutella]

I refused to go into it, but I’d bet money (maybe like 10 bucks but I don’t like betting) that gman wasn’t cosmic spider

doom claimed that rey gave her an item that confirms whether or not the yeet is the seemer and she said he wasn't the seemer

[nutella]

I refused to go into it, but I’d bet money (maybe like 10 bucks but I don’t like betting) that gman wasn’t cosmic spider

What do you think? Did Omega's item get deceived somehow?

It had to of, because gman wasn’t cosmic spider

wait are you still claiming it? whaaa

[Made]

I refused to go into it, but I’d bet money (maybe like 10 bucks but I don’t like betting) that gman wasn’t cosmic spider

doom claimed that rey gave her an item that confirms whether or not the yeet is the seemer and she said he wasn't the seemer

What item? The sciron? How does the sciron work here?

[Epignosis]

That I've been credited with successfully pushing anything here has me bewildered.

[Made]

Something stinks

[Made]

That I've been credited with successfully pushing anything here has me bewildered.

The push was you, and it’s why you’re town.

Something is weird here

[nutella]

i mean that would be amazing, would suck if doom's info was wrong and confused us all

and it would explain why he didnt fucking vote the mafia who claimed that role lmfao

ugh i have to think about this from all sides

and if it is the case it may mean epi is clean (and maybe also jack but meh, nah)


but what if made is fucking with me or is mafia playing some crazy ass long game here lol

[nutella]

That I've been credited with successfully pushing anything here has me bewildered.

i mean

you did

[MacDougall]

I refused to go into it, but I’d bet money (maybe like 10 bucks but I don’t like betting) that gman wasn’t cosmic spider

doom claimed that rey gave her an item that confirms whether or not the yeet is the seemer and she said he wasn't the seemer

What item? The sciron? How does the sciron work here?

dude this information is in the role list and has been for days, this is just fake right?

[nutella]

[VOTE: jackofhearts] aubergine

more sure about this than epi anyway i guess

[MacDougall]

i mean that would be amazing, would suck if doom's info was wrong and confused us all

and it would explain why he didnt fucking vote the mafia who claimed that role lmfao

ugh i have to think about this from all sides

and if it is the case it may mean epi is clean (and maybe also jack but meh, nah)


but what if made is fucking with me or is mafia playing some crazy ass long game here lol

there's no way that made doesn't know what the scion is and the mis spelling is clearly dramatising

[nutella]

I refused to go into it, but I’d bet money (maybe like 10 bucks but I don’t like betting) that gman wasn’t cosmic spider

doom claimed that rey gave her an item that confirms whether or not the yeet is the seemer and she said he wasn't the seemer

What item? The sciron? How does the sciron work here?

no thats unrelated

[Made]

Okay, so you pass the sciron. Does the sciron be like “lmao so btw, that dude is cosmic spider”

[nutella]

i mean that would be amazing, would suck if doom's info was wrong and confused us all

and it would explain why he didnt fucking vote the mafia who claimed that role lmfao

ugh i have to think about this from all sides

and if it is the case it may mean epi is clean (and maybe also jack but meh, nah)


but what if made is fucking with me or is mafia playing some crazy ass long game here lol

there's no way that made doesn't know what the scion is and the mis spelling is clearly dramatising

i mean maybe

[nutella]

Okay, so you pass the sciron. Does the sciron be like “lmao so btw, that dude is cosmic spider”

no

this is unrelated

gman had the scion


doom had an item that rey gave her, the item is part of rey's role