Game of Champions 2020 [ENDGAME]

[Made]

Okay, but what if we didn’t chop Made

I contribute useful things sometimes, plus I always follow my open wolfing with insightful insights! My scummy-shit-post to hot-takes ratio is AT LEAST 1:1 Plus I post a lot, so like, really I’m two townies in one!

That right there is what we like to call a v a l u e

[VOTE: Nanook] aubergine

[Master Radishes]

Okay but why is Nanook suddenly the lead wagon?

I've had a nagging suspicion of him since D0 so I'm not exactly displeased, but considering few people really seem back 'into' the game yet I can't tell if this is lazy or bussy or what.

[Master Radishes]

[VOTE: Made] aubergine

^he tried too hard with that post

[Master Radishes]

5/5/5 let's go

[Master Radishes]

[VOTE: Made] aubergine

^he tried too hard with that post

I mean he used an exclamation mark. A freaking exclamation mark. And there are way too many emojis for a post of that size and calibre.

It's 50 words of 'tee hee I'm so silly who'd want to yeet me?' with an unexplained vote on the wagon with most momentum tacked on. If he'd taken out the middle two paragraphs I'd be inclined to call it towny or at least NAI.

[Master Radishes]

Am I forming reads based off single posts 140 pages into a game?

Why yes, yes I am.

[Justplayingitcool]

i have a weird sense that wolves are chillin where we're not lookin

and in particular i feel like exactly one of @DrWilgy / @tedxtr must be one

I'd rather yeet wilgy out of the two

[Justplayingitcool]

Okay, but what if we didn’t chop Made

I contribute useful things sometimes, plus I always follow my open wolfing with insightful insights! My scummy-shit-post to hot-takes ratio is AT LEAST 1:1 Plus I post a lot, so like, really I’m two townies in one!

That right there is what we like to call a v a l u e

[VOTE: Nanook] aubergine

If you're town, please stop being intentionally scummy!

[Justplayingitcool]

[VOTE: Made] aubergine

^he tried too hard with that post

I mean he used an exclamation mark. A freaking exclamation mark. And there are way too many emojis for a post of that size and calibre.

Have you played a game with Ara???

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

Okay but why is Nanook suddenly the lead wagon?

I've had a nagging suspicion of him since D0 so I'm not exactly displeased, but considering few people really seem back 'into' the game yet I can't tell if this is lazy or bussy or what.

If it’s bussing it’s lazy bussing

[tedxtr]

I wanna kill Tedxtr and made the most

ruh roh

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

Not to pull a tutu but

Is there a point in me trying or naw?

If not I’ll just drop a dope legacy before EOD that will surely get ignored

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

Before answering keep in mind that even if the answer is “yes there is a point” I probably still won’t

[Made]

Spoiler: show

@Sloonei
Nanook - I'm gravitating towards scumreading him now. Friendo hasn't engaged me directly at all D1. I feel like he doesn't care about what happens to me in game. He's someone that I believe has a good read on me in general. He wouldn't just sit back and and let me get townread or scumread -- he'd get involved in the discussion, methinks.
Syn - I never got a response to my question. Marmot caught on what I was trying to suggest though. Basically, how I interpreted Syn's post to Tim about him not having a read on me because he hasn't read the game was that Syn has read the game and that he DOES have a read on me. Haven't seen it though.

I TR you and you haven’t been in actual danger so

No need to go hard in your defense

Especially with the claim throwing me off

Tim if I were mafia what do you think the odds of you being alive would be

given tim's play, pretty good odds

I was somewhat astonished that the answer to "who tilted Nanook" was not "Syn did it."

Idt syn’s ever tilted me

Me neither but he tries constantly and I like to encourage him to think he may be effective someday.

Any idea why Nutella has him so far down the list?

I assume cause he’s syn and he lives in the low-middle of readslists

I’ve never seen syn not get POE’d but he’s a very good town player

Syn how mad would you be if we towncored you

i would stop posting as revenge and rob you guys of my oversized intellect and solving

That seems like the only appropriate reaction

My reads are the same as they were yesterday

Literally no changes

Gimme the link please, I want to read them

Tim/Mac/nutella/syn/jack/hyena/tsp/thun

Idk if I posted them in one place before and it’s easier to consult my notes anyways

I went down a really fun rabbit hole. right now I'm calling it "syn and nanook are teammates and we should vote them, unless they're just really good friends, but still we should chop nanook."

It's a working title.

@Master Radishes keep my name out cha mouth

No one who’s voted me has read any of my iso, I can almost guarantee it

[Michelle]

[VOTE: Made] aubergine

^he tried too hard with that post

I mean he used an exclamation mark. A freaking exclamation mark. And there are way too many emojis for a post of that size and calibre.

It's 50 words of 'tee hee I'm so silly who'd want to yeet me?' with an unexplained vote on the wagon with most momentum tacked on. If he'd taken out the middle two paragraphs I'd be inclined to call it towny or at least NAI.

!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Michelle]

Before answering keep in mind that even if the answer is “yes there is a point” I probably still won’t

Do it anyway

*AudreyHepburn.gif

[Made]

Okay, but what if we didn’t chop Made

I contribute useful things sometimes, plus I always follow my open wolfing with insightful insights! My scummy-shit-post to hot-takes ratio is AT LEAST 1:1 Plus I post a lot, so like, really I’m two townies in one!

That right there is what we like to call a v a l u e

[VOTE: Nanook] aubergine

If you're town, please stop being intentionally scummy!

[VOTE: Made] aubergine

^he tried too hard with that post

I mean he used an exclamation mark. A freaking exclamation mark. And there are way too many emojis for a post of that size and calibre.

It's 50 words of 'tee hee I'm so silly who'd want to yeet me?' with an unexplained vote on the wagon with most momentum tacked on. If he'd taken out the middle two paragraphs I'd be inclined to call it towny or at least NAI.

Don’t try but don’t be scummy

Got it y’all, say less

[Made]

Hi Michelle! How’s ur day treating you?

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

Before answering keep in mind that even if the answer is “yes there is a point” I probably still won’t

Do it anyway

*AudreyHepburn.gif

I’m probably not going to tbh

[Justplayingitcool]

I never said don't try or don't speak. You literally said you're open wolfing!

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

You get what you get at this point

[Made]

Okay but why is Nanook suddenly the lead wagon?

I've had a nagging suspicion of him since D0 so I'm not exactly displeased, but considering few people really seem back 'into' the game yet I can't tell if this is lazy or bussy or what.

If it’s bussing it’s lazy bussing

Thoughts on dunking on Radishes Mr. Nanook?

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

Okay but why is Nanook suddenly the lead wagon?

I've had a nagging suspicion of him since D0 so I'm not exactly displeased, but considering few people really seem back 'into' the game yet I can't tell if this is lazy or bussy or what.

If it’s bussing it’s lazy bussing

Thoughts on dunking on Radishes Mr. Nanook?

I’m not dunking on anyone lmao

I can’t read radishes even when I am in Full Nanook Mode so

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

I mean better him than me obvs but I can’t lie and pretend I think he’s definitely mafia

[Made]

I mean better him than me obvs but I can’t lie and pretend I think he’s definitely mafia

Huh, that’s a shame . If you change your mind lmk

Made
5
16%
Voters: Timsup2nothin, Syn, Marmot, Hyena, Master Radishes

Imo two of these are mafia trying to keep the vote close. Gun to head, it’s Syn (because Syn x Nanook makes sense). I could see Hyena too. While Tim’s vote tilts me the most by far, his vote literally doesn’t even pretend to make sense, neither does Radishes so they’re probably both town. I’ll iso Hyena over breakfast

I can’t read marmot to save my life, so hopefully it’s not
him

[Justplayingitcool]

Made: Votes nanook
Also Made: asks nanook if he wants to start a new wagon together

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

Made: Votes nanook
Also Made: asks nanook if he wants to start a new wagon together

I don’t see the issue

[Justplayingitcool]

Made: Votes nanook
Also Made: asks nanook if he wants to start a new wagon together

I don’t see the issue

I just think it's funny

[Made]

Made: Votes nanook
Also Made: asks nanook if he wants to start a new wagon together

I don’t see the issue

I just think it's funny

To be fair, that wagon would of been completely out of spite lmao

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

It is pretty entertaining

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

Making decisions based on spite is objectively the best way to play mafia

[Master Radishes]

[VOTE: Made] aubergine

^he tried too hard with that post

I mean he used an exclamation mark. A freaking exclamation mark. And there are way too many emojis for a post of that size and calibre.

Have you played a game with Ara???

Ara is hype!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

:ghoststab:

[Long Con]

i have a weird sense that wolves are chillin where we're not lookin

and in particular i feel like exactly one of @DrWilgy / @tedxtr must be one

I'd vote either. My vote was hanging out solo on ted until you caught me with your awesome goat rhythms!

Not to pull a tutu but

Is there a point in me trying or naw?

If not I’ll just drop a dope legacy before EOD that will surely get ignored

I'm just on you for the lulz right now so it's not as dire as you might think.

[Michelle]

Hi Michelle! How’s ur day treating you?

Between rl tasks and mafia, the word of the day is lazyness

[Master Radishes]

Every post on this page from Made feels like it could be from a wolf.


He's overly silly,

Okay, but what if we didn’t chop Made

I contribute useful things sometimes, plus I always follow my open wolfing with insightful insights! My scummy-shit-post to hot-takes ratio is AT LEAST 1:1 Plus I post a lot, so like, really I’m two townies in one!

That right there is what we like to call a v a l u e

[VOTE: Nanook] aubergine

sarcastic,

Don’t try but don’t be scummy

Got it y’all, say less

defensive,

No one who’s voted me has read any of my iso, I can almost guarantee it

suddenly friendly towards someone else in the midst of pressure,

Hi Michelle! How’s ur day treating you?

and looking for wolves on his own wagon with surface-level analysis

Made
5
16%
Voters: Timsup2nothin, Syn, Marmot, Hyena, Master Radishes

Imo two of these are mafia trying to keep the vote close. Gun to head, it’s Syn (because Syn x Nanook makes sense). I could see Hyena too. While Tim’s vote tilts me the most by far, his vote literally doesn’t even pretend to make sense, neither does Radishes so they’re probably both town. I’ll iso Hyena over breakfast

I can’t read marmot to save my life, so hopefully it’s not
him

I've suddenly and unexpectedly found myself in a tunnel - someone feel free to tell me why Made is town so I can get out of it if I need to. (Or come join me - I welcome company.)

[Master Radishes]

And now for something completely different:

Not to pull a tutu but

Is there a point in me trying or naw?

If not I’ll just drop a dope legacy before EOD that will surely get ignored

I'm just on you for the lulz right now so it's not as dire as you might think.

I can't decide if LC is scummy for this response or not, but I *will* say wolf 1 probably never responds to wolf 2 like this, so LC and Nook not w/w.

Spoiler: show

That said, if any wolf would say something like this, it's probably LC.

[Master Radishes]

This game is much less daunting to sink myself in to if I pretend it only started a couple pages ago at the re-start.

Who needs isos when you've got rEaL tImE iNtErAcTiOnS!

[Made]

and looking for wolves on his own wagon with surface-level analysis

Made
5
16%
Voters: Timsup2nothin, Syn, Marmot, Hyena, Master Radishes

Imo two of these are mafia trying to keep the vote close. Gun to head, it’s Syn (because Syn x Nanook makes sense).

Spoiler: show

@Sloonei
Nanook - I'm gravitating towards scumreading him now. Friendo hasn't engaged me directly at all D1. I feel like he doesn't care about what happens to me in game. He's someone that I believe has a good read on me in general. He wouldn't just sit back and and let me get townread or scumread -- he'd get involved in the discussion, methinks.
Syn - I never got a response to my question. Marmot caught on what I was trying to suggest though. Basically, how I interpreted Syn's post to Tim about him not having a read on me because he hasn't read the game was that Syn has read the game and that he DOES have a read on me. Haven't seen it though.

I TR you and you haven’t been in actual danger so

No need to go hard in your defense

Especially with the claim throwing me off

given tim's play, pretty good odds

I was somewhat astonished that the answer to "who tilted Nanook" was not "Syn did it."

Idt syn’s ever tilted me

Me neither but he tries constantly and I like to encourage him to think he may be effective someday.

Any idea why Nutella has him so far down the list?

I assume cause he’s syn and he lives in the low-middle of readslists

I’ve never seen syn not get POE’d but he’s a very good town player

Syn how mad would you be if we towncored you

i would stop posting as revenge and rob you guys of my oversized intellect and solving

That seems like the only appropriate reaction

My reads are the same as they were yesterday

Literally no changes

Gimme the link please, I want to read them

Tim/Mac/nutella/syn/jack/hyena/tsp/thun

Idk if I posted them in one place before and it’s easier to consult my notes anyways

I went down a really fun rabbit hole. right now I'm calling it "syn and nanook are teammates and we should vote them, unless they're just really good friends, but still we should chop nanook."

It's a working title.

@Master Radishes keep my name out cha mouth

@Master Radishes I annotated it this time.
If you're insistent on joining my fanclub tho, I can link you to my patreon

[Michelle]

This game is much less daunting to sink myself in to if I pretend it only started a couple pages ago at the re-start.

Who needs isos when you've got rEaL tImE iNtErAcTiOnS!

Read cat's Iso at least :hint:

[Michelle]

Made are you sober? Just asking

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

Yeah me and syn are partners is a good read cause I’m well known for hard aligning with my partners when I’m mafia

[Justplayingitcool]

tbf surface level analysis >

I will die on this hill

[Made]

Previously on...

GOC 2020

Spoiler: show

EoD1 Vote Counts (for my own note taking)

Confirmed Town
Townreads
Don't care/Null/2 Bored 2 Read/I forgot
Scumreads
Confirmed Scum

Cat(10): Nute, Nanook, Tutuu, Made, Ted, Falcon, Mac, Tim, Dizzy, Marmot
Falcon(7): Thunal, Cat, Martin, Long Con, Wilgy, JPIC, Radish
Thunal(3): Dya, TSP, Michelle
Hyena(2): Sloonei, Kylemii
Nutella(2): Syn, Jack
Marmot(1): 112
Ted(1): Hyena

There's at least one scum in LC, Wilgy, Radish, especially if Falcon flips town.
At least one scum in Nanook, Made, Tutuu, Ted, Mac.
Kyle might be scum for being on me EoD1 and sheeping Sloonei.
I put Jack as scum because I think Nute is town and because I'm betting that there's a scum. I'm reading Syn more town though, so Jack is scum by default.

Out of the first group I can't but think it's LC. Like... Would it be detracting if I asked for people to vote LC and if not LC then yeet me?

Maybe take me out to dinner first.

Hey man, you keep turning me down everytime I ask.

A lot of people have probably done the Cat ISO, but I did as well anyway. Here are my takes, if anyone cares:

- Thunal probably town, because Cat seemed to genuinely not understand the suspicion on her.
- Some good looks for 112 actually. First off, there was a post where Cat said "If you think I'm too easy of a wagon, you shouldn't be voting me in the first place", which did seem like a direct appeal. It's not quoting anyone, but from thread context it seems to be directed at 112. There's also one point where Cat likes my snap back post but forgets who it's directed at. I feel it's a bit too overly produced to pretend you forget a teammate's interaction, and I think Cat would remember it was 112 if they were teamed. (Rip, cause I didn't like 112 before lol).
- Radish also probably town, I think there was some buddying.
- Also vote and shade on Nutella which looks more of a forced scum read, so I don't think they are with Nut.

- I can see where Mac is coming from in regards to Made. The kind of RVS vote on Made, support of the wagon, but then later move the vote. There's also "Sounds more like low-effort than scum to me." (about Made) which is just confusing, cause I think Cat supported the wagon at that point? And the "Hi" interaction between the two. I guess the interaction could be awkward also just because Cat was scum. I've only played with Made once, and I read him scum pretty instinctively there (and was correct), and to be honest, I don't really here. He seemed way more people pleaser-y in that scum game, which he isn't here.
- There's some support of Tutu, but still Cat decides to ISO Tutu (but can't make it work or something, and doesn't return to it). This stands out to me, cause why spend time ISOing someone who you supposedly town read anyway? Could be a case of "I need to do an ISO of a teammate". Maybe that's a stretch, but it's something.
- Some shade and Syn and some waffling on Hyena that could go either way I guess.
- The Falcon vote is a thing. I don't think they talked about Falcon a lot before it happened. Could go either way as well I guess.

In summery, good look for Thunal, 112, Radish and Nut.
Perhaps maybe not good for Made and Tutu.
Null on others.
Very possibly didn't interact much with lots of teammates.

meh

excuse you, that was great content

oh my voters. already said some of this.. but.
best look - cat. saw scummy play, voted scummy player, left.

i don't think any of my voters look particularly bad, but that might just be because the whole multi team thing.. voting scummy looking people doesn't have the same advantage it normally does and i'm still internalizing that. more thinking required, but i'm leaving the processor running on that one.

Likes cat

I make case, suddenly doesn't like cat

@Made what do you think of cat?

if they vote the wrong wagon today, I forecast an early D2 wagon based on EOD today.
Not sure how sustainable it will be D2, but definitely potential staying power tinfoil into the late game

There is an entire day left made

that's why it's a forecast.

in terms of baddie behavior, cat is probably bad (likely for the same post you think they're bad for), but I don't feel confident enough in that read rn to push it

Lets just kill them today instead.

I'm actually really really cool with this.

Y'all let's just skip to day 2 and [VOTE: Cat] aubergine

oh my voters. already said some of this.. but.
best look - cat. saw scummy play, voted scummy player, left.

i don't think any of my voters look particularly bad, but that might just be because the whole multi team thing.. voting scummy looking people doesn't have the same advantage it normally does and i'm still internalizing that. more thinking required, but i'm leaving the processor running on that one.

Likes cat

I make case, suddenly doesn't like cat

it's almost like i trusted your read and voted there because i believed you when you outlined the case.

fair

Tutuu who is mafia. Imma life tunnel you instead.

one between syn and martin

if its syn its because the way he has treated me was super outlandish and in bad faith

if its martin its because he had the opportunity to whiteknight a townie who was getting pushed for no sensible reason and he took advantage of it to look really good after the death

nanook, master radishes and long con are all scummy for hopping on my wagon

master radishes hopped out and is looking towny and that could be a reason for why he's scum

falcon and made should die imo

kylemii should die imo

tony could also be whiteknighting me. he townreads me and syn and martin, all 3 of us. but i cant read tsp

dizzy could be maf

i think thats it

alright

i think syn/martin likely to be t/t

i think lc actually can be town tbh

falcon ehhh

i still completely disagree with you on kyle i think hes >>rand town

tsp can be maf here hes sorta in the background not taking a firm stance but somewhat defending you and could be maf taking advantage

dizzy likely maf too

look we did it we're working together

Yo Tim, is sloonei still scum.

In a weird tinfoil world where he is faking being muted, maybe. In real world, almost certainly not. Getting targeted by a muter is pretty telling I think.

Group 1

TurnipHead
Long Con
Made
Hyena
Timsup2nothin
Sloonei
Syn
Thunal33
DrWilgy

Group 2

falcon45ca
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME
Master Radishes
112
MacDougall
Alison

Group 3

tutuu
Kylemii
TonyStarkPrime
Michelle
JackofHearts2005

Maybe this is more useful in the future @MacDougall (removed Cat and Sig/Dya), because that seems interesting to do while I figure out my reads list.

If I had to make one of these groups immune from deletion for a day, its really hard to guess which one because I really want to protect tutuu but honestly everyone else in group #3 there is someone I don't really know about and Michelle I only had a town-lean on for a single word use rather than anything in-depth.

Group 2 I probably always never protect. Aside from Mac, no one in there is a strong contender of being town to me.

And then there's group 1. It's also appealing in some ways, I mean I feel like Tim and Thunal33 are likely towns along with some possible wolves in there such as Hyena or Sloonei (maybe Syn but apparently some people think he's v/v with me) but if I were to protect group #3 then I imagine group #2 and #1 going at each other is basically the status quo after I'm dead even if I protected no one.

Final answer would probably be group #3 to protect though from what I've seen so far because I feel like that covers less possible wolves and given that we found mafia on d1 I believe in the towns to show they're town after my flip and reads and not get deleted.

I didn't really follow the Thunal Arc closely. if someone has deets there, please add them to the recap!

@Master Radishes
I'm aware that overly defending yourself means ur bad or w/e so this is probably not helping me in your eyes. As an olive branch, here's a potential starting place that doesn't involve tunneling me

[Made]

Made are you sober? Just asking

it's 8am right now, and I wasn't up THAT late last night, so hopefully!

[Long Con]

And now for something completely different:

Not to pull a tutu but

Is there a point in me trying or naw?

If not I’ll just drop a dope legacy before EOD that will surely get ignored

I'm just on you for the lulz right now so it's not as dire as you might think.

I can't decide if LC is scummy for this response or not, but I *will* say wolf 1 probably never responds to wolf 2 like this, so LC and Nook not w/w.

Spoiler: show

That said, if any wolf would say something like this, it's probably LC.

It's not something where I'm trying or not trying to be wolfy, it's just the truth. You can see the vote, it's lulzy - I really liked the nutella's rhythmic verse (did she right that on the spot?) and I decided to go there during the reacclimation time where we all forgot our reads.

[Master Radishes]

You just keep putting spoilered walls of quotes like it'll brush away all my concerns. I don't get it.

[Master Radishes]

Like that Syn x Nanook theory...you just quoted five Nanook posts where he mentions or talks to Syn. (In fact, the first one doesn't even do that.)

I agree they could be teammates based on those interactions/mentions. But I could do something similar with a lot of pairings in a roster this size.

Tell me what to take away from it?

[Master Radishes]

I don't even get what the second quote wall is meant to be telling me.

[Michelle]

Made are you sober? Just asking

it's 8am right now, and I wasn't up THAT late last night, so hopefully!

Then if you are villager please make your play matching your alignment.
If not, it doesn't really matter what you post.

In the bread game, after Nutella posted some things that made me be extremely emotional, I played very bad and sent mixed signals for the other villagers. That was a mistake and almost ruined the game.. We were lucky in that game, but luck is moody.

[Made]

You just keep putting spoilered walls of quotes like it'll brush away all my concerns. I don't get it.

I'm not trying to brush away your concern. It just feels like you're saying I'm not doing anything, so I showing you the work i've already done to come to the thoughts I have currently. I'm reiterating everything I say in every post, so I link back to what i've done.

but okay sparknotes:

previously on GOC...
People thought I was bad, and then some didn't
People realized both Kyle and Sloonei were muted
cat's iso makes 112, You, Nutella, and Thunal look good and make me and tutuu look bad
Martin gives his read on the game right now prehiatus
EOD vote wagons lead with cat, then Falcon

I'm probably gonna cut this convo short tho if ur gonna keep @ing my thread contributions and play style. No disrespect intended